Look, my FWW is super frisky, theres been enough 'seed spilling' to bankrupt a wheat farmer in our M this week !

Enuff already !
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Bob, was just hanging out in GQII before I get to some work I need to do and I want to tell you that I am very happy that you are spilling all over the place with your wife. I've followed your posts and it could not happen to a more deserving warrior guy, bra...........


George Bailey,
Bedford Falls,
Mary, You out there?

Pep - Well you still haven't changed the name of this thread to advise women that it may lead to strong feelings for men - all of them.

But that aside, talking about maleness, strength, etc., I have always loved to see men with their babies. Something about it is just sweet to my soul.

I work at a military base - Camp Pendleton (for all of you who don't know). I see these big strong warriers in their cammies, holding their babies, and it just melts my heart.

I guess it is the thought of the male being strong and powerful, but still able to be completely gentle and loving.

Yikes! Time for a cold shower. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

believer, this link is for you....note the photograph. I believe that this is what you were talking about.

cnn photos
GB

<small>[ September 30, 2004, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: George Bailey ]</small>

George Bailey -

Yep, that is exactly what I am talking about. Oh no, Believer is swooning.

I don't know what it is, but it just opens up my heart. I think that is why I loved my husband. He raised his kids by himself - mom was an addict.

With all the crap going on in the world, there is just something very comforting about men with their babies.

Yep, believer, I think that you are on to something.

For everyone else; I am hanging around this thread, because I believe that it is THE MOST important thread in the histoy of MB (at least for me). It has already spawned great work with my psychotherapist, it has required that I re-look at my relationship with my father, though he has died; it has helped me to re-evaluate my relationship with God, The Father and God, The Son (The Holy Ghost and I have always been on good terms). This thread has resulted in my buying the book from which the first post was quoted; has led me to look at my manhood in a way that I was afraid to before now; has led to understand why I feel what I feel much of the time (including those aggresive feelings that are not polite nor politically correct); has helped me to begin to understand my relationship with women and other men; has led me to a new relationship with myself, not as a person, but as a MAN.

From the book:

Garrison Keillor made a list of what he could do:

Be Nice
Make a bed
Dig a hole
write books
Sing Alto or Bass
Read a map
drive a car

Then he makes a list of things he cannot do

Chop down big trees for lumber or firewood

Handle a horse, train a dog, tend or herd animals

Handle a boat without panicking others

Throw a fastball, curve or slider

Handle a gun and hunt my own meat, if I need to

Defend myself with my bare hands

He then makes the specific point that it may be an ok 'report card' for a person , 'but I do not know any persons....for a guy, it's not good.'

Thank God that I can do all of the guy things(with varying degrees of competence), save the fastball, curve and slider. However, I think that MY report card would not be so great, either.

This thread has helped me immeasurably.


Thanks, Seargent Pepper,

George Baily, in Battle with the Mr. Potters of the world.

I have read with interest.
I want someone who will
fight for me. I have at times
felt like this was not true
in my M. I would sometimes
say to H-you are more willing
to please your mother than
you are me. It was a case of
being the good son to her &
trying to make it up to me
later. I at times felt in 2nd
place. I want a man who will
stand up & say things that are
not always easy to say to the
people that are not easy to
say them to-
I need a hero sometimes-
& I am not shy to say it-
thanks pep-
pal

Believer!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> ~LOL~

Pep

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ncwalker:
<strong> Shul,

Your post flowed really well. I enjoyed reading it. Not sure where your faith is at, but from a Christian perspective I felt I needed to make a few comments.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">When I read these passages, it suggests to me that the responsibility for harmony in a marriage lies with the man, primarily.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not primarily, DEFINITELY. The whole Christ to Church thing is a model of Man to Family thing. The responsibility of the man is MORE than just harmony. It is the material and spiritual welfare of the home. But this does NOT mean the woman is free to sow discord, either. We all answer for our own actions, but the head answers for those under him as well.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That women simply respond to our husbands behavior...it is his position as leader; as head that dictates our response.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">When it is working well, probably the case. But in truth, you are to serve your husband as Christ served the church. The BEST you can. For when you do, you are truly honoring God. Even if your husband is a PIG, you must serve your best. For by that light, God may just change his heart. But God is merciful and gives us an out in extreme cases. What is the extreme case? Infidelity.

Having a pig for a husband doesn’t make the service easy, but does NOT mean you do not do your best. You do that for YOU.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe this is not very liberated thinking, but for me it would be liberating to be allowed to be a woman.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Actually, VERY liberating. What freedom is greater than a happy home? The enemy LOVES it when a woman has the reins in the house. Even if she is great at it, it is not in God’s model. And it will thus never be free. The woman is to submit to the man. (Here comes the flak, I can feel it). But the man is to lead as a servant-leader. If he is doing this, submission isn’t really as bad as it “sounds.”

NCW </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">These statements above sum up my perspective so well. I'm saving this entire thread to disk! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
Oh, look how I've grown?!?!?!?

Pep - <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I have to limit my time on this particular thread - all of the men are looking better and better!

For the record, according to Eldridge, because I'm not sure the question was ever answered, men want: </font>

• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">An Adventure to live.</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A Battle to fight</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A Beauty to win.</font></li>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
Women want to be invited in to the adventure, not to BE the adventure.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by johnh39:
<strong>
Women want to be invited in to the adventure, not to BE the adventure. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ROTFL, John. But uhhhh.... some of us might. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

C

Err, and...

...men want:

</font>

• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">An Adventure to live.</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A Battle to fight</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A Beauty to win.</font></li>

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Yeah, well, ME TOO!!!

And I am NOT a man, even if I can't get the guy who cuts my hair to stop trimming it above the ears.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> ROTFL, John. But uhhhh.... some of us might. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I really do see the humor, but do you mean that seriously, too?

Pepper,
I love you!

I'm going to look for and buy this book. You've always been a blessing to me here, and this adds to it this fine morning.

God bless,
HP

Pep -

I love this thread, although it is causing me huge problems still. The day after I first read it, all the men started looking sooooooo good.
and sweetie, I mean all of them.

Maybe this is showing how much I have recovered. For months and months, and more months, I could not picture ever being happy again without my husband.

Suddenly I see other possibilities - and they range in age from 18 (legal age) to 70 (wise and mature).

Somehow I hope to become more grounded, and a little more choosy. But right now they all look yummy.

By the way, I ordered the book and also got one for WH.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by johnh39:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> ROTFL, John. But uhhhh.... some of us might. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I really do see the humor, but do you mean that seriously, too? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Absolutely! Run through the list of the legendary desirable women - they were certainly an adventure and I suspect that they loved every minute of it. Helen of Troy and Cleopatra come immediately to mind. Then there's Guinnevere, Morgan Le Fay, Inanna, and the list goes on.

Boy, this is one of those threads that just takes off so fast that I can't keep up...

I dropped off early when Pep pointed out that the book was very religiously oriented. I will admit, religion 2rns me off, but spiri2ality doesn't.

Know any good books like that for atheists like ol' 2long?

-ol' 2long.

I've been thinking about a question Recovering H asked on the first page: "Have you ever posted the reverse of this thread? (What a man needs from a woman or is it somewhere in that book?) Just curious, because I'm not sure I could come up with that."

This is something I've been very interested in, cause I'm a woman, and I've done a little bit of research on this very interesting subject. Laugh at the title, but read the quote.

From "Men Made Easy" by Kara Oh

"If you're thinking men aren't okay the way they are, you're not available to love them, not really. The men react by building defensive walls around themselves, and guess what? - They're not available to love you either.

"Women would hate it if they knew a man wanted to change, or, even worse, improve them. Yet, women do it to men almost without exception. To get involved with a man because he has potential is unfair and disrespectful.

"Men need to feel understood and accepted for who they are.

****

Somewhere else on this long thread someone wrote, "Treat him like a Knight - be a lady."

Ways to treat him like a Knight?

1. Seek to understand him as an individual
2. Accept him for who he is and not trying to change him
3. Appreciate and acknowledge his masculine qualities

Loy,

I found that book about 4 years ago, and bought it, and I am a guy. I thought the title was funny. I read it in about an hour, but she actually had a very good handle on men, and the book is sort of a 12step approach to men.

I have recommended it to many here over the years, but to my knowledge you are the first person I have heard of that actually has read it.

So was it useful to you? Did it tell you something you did not know? I am curious because as a guy, it seemed sort of obvious, but then I don't find women all that obvious. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

I look forward to hearing from you.

JL