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I’m not sure whether to use it on me or my WW. In case you haven’t guessed this is my rage or vent email. I’ve been working hard at Plan A since returning to our “home” on Aug 18. Things seem(ed) to be getting better, but last night I couldn’t help looking at our computer at home and could see that my WW had been on her private Yahoo email account for the last 5 straight days…a dramatic spike in the level of contact with OM. She noticed when she got home that I was in a peculiar mood, pressed me for an answer, so I asked her why her contact with OM was up. The kids then came in, so she just smiled politely and said I needn’t worry. Yeah, right. That was when I wanted the 2x4 because that foggy glaze was in her eyes again.

After dinner we had couch time in the bedroom (those of you familiar with Growing Kids God’s Way should know about couch time). Of course the subject of her emails came up within a minute.

“So, you’ve been checking up on me again on the computer. Are you doing this everyday?”

“No, just today. You told me about emailing him Monday and Tuesday, but were evasive on the discussion. Sounded to me like you had a running dialogue with him again.”

“Well, his friends have been telling him it is time to move on. A few say to hang in there. I’ve been talking him through this as he prepares to let go.” <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> (2x4 blow #2 inserted here)

“You mean as you try to prepare yourself to let go”

“That too…I told him Good Bye in my email today.”
(Thinking to myself, Mmm Hmm, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I’ve heard this at least five times already.)

“It’s getting too emotionally hard on us to continue,we’ve decided to not contact each other for awhile. It has been so hard on us…What are you thinking?” (Multiple 2x4 blows as the fog sets in thick and heavy)

“I think you are humiliating me…” <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

“Humiliating you?”

“Yes, you honestly believe you can go back to being friends with this guy. I’ll only see him as your fiancée and lover ((((he proposed to her this summer during their tryst. WW said yes, then realized a one room apt in Bosnia was a far cry from our 4bdr house in Hawaii)))) …Also, I’ve seen you cry a lot of tears for him and you, but when was the last time you shed a tear for me? Hurting you and him (undeniable passion arising in my voice)? What about hurting me as well?!!? (This is where a fellow BS would have had permission to hit me with the 2x4. We’ll see what the LB damage was today I’m sure)

Incredibly neither of us raised our voices during this conversation. Later in the night when we went to bed I gave her the standard body massage (Ladies, I’m like clock work on this; she has it soooooo good with me. Every night for years I have stroked the day’s tension out of her to help her go to sleep). Conversation covered her lack of self-esteem, a subject she brought up. It all seemed to end peacefully enough. Tonight we have a date, I’ll keep Plan A alive and active for as long as it takes, but last night I just got weary of being the good guy when she started pining over the OM.

I don’t expect too many responses on this since it is a vent posting. Figurative 2x4 blows to my head are welcome by all fellow MBers out there.

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Ok here it is... your punishment for having hurt feelings and expressing them...

(((( HUGS ))))

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Zoomie, the 'humiliation' pitch was a very good boundary police action IMO. You didn't force anything upon your WW, and made a great and accurate point at a good time.

My 'police actions' worked better when I turned them on myself, i.e. when I didn't pretend to know what WW ws thining or how she felt.

But everything you said was true, and your WW needs to know that however she deludes herself, her fog actions ARE knowingly humiliating to you.

Refine that approach and you will have a stunning plan A fog response. I do not see that any LB damage was done tonight. It is a MYTH that you do not express your hurt and anger in Plan a, you just do it carefully, non judgmentally and using ME terms not YOU terms.

Good work !

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Thanks Bob. I was hoping to hear from you. I've considered sending a letter to the OM to leave my WW alone and let her move on. However, I read a lengthy thread by Worthatry from 2001/2 and am reconsidering. Your thoughts? I think he wants to let go too, I believe my WW is the one holding on. He seems to be only responding to calls or emails that she initiates. He is single and our age, but lives in Europe, us in the Pacific. They met at a high school reunion in 1990 in Heidelberg (we weren't together then) and had a passionate week together. He asked her to move to Europe at that time, but she stiffed him within weeks after returning to US. This was all a revelation to me when she told me after D-Day.

BTW, thanks for the hug Pepper. Even an electronic hug feels good at times like these.

<small>[ October 01, 2004, 03:04 PM: Message edited by: Zoomie63 ]</small>

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BTW....

*thank-you*

....for defending my freedom by serving in the US military....

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Zoomie, that letter needs to come from your WW. Its a NCL ( No Contact Letter) and thats an important marker between the A ending and recovery beginning.

IME OMs are d1ck-led and are hardly likely to care about a letter sent from you.

Impress upon your WW how wonderful it would be to be free of the humiliations of OM contact and you could both concentrate on rebuilding your M WITHOUT sounding too desperate.

And like Pep, I salute you and thank you sir, for your valour in the defence of the Free world I am blessed to live in.

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Can I borrow that 2x4, Zoomie???? I have a WH I would like to use it on. Of course it would have to be a pretty big one...he's about 7,000 miles away!

This plan A stuff is hard, whether you are in the same house or not. I guess we just have to keep trusting that God will clear the fog from their minds and soften their hearts for the pain they are causing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

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Well, she called me at work a little while ago like nothing happened. Asked me to look at some homeschooling stuff on the Internet and call back with my opinion. I call back...several times... and the line is busy...is she on the phone with OM or just cruising the Net? Finally get through, hesitates when I say hello, like she's making sure who she is talking to. Man, I hate my imagination sometimes. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

<small>[ October 01, 2004, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Zoomie63 ]</small>

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Hello zoomie,

You are just at the beginning of this crazy labyrinthe but you do not need any 2x4's.You did fine.Don't beat yourself up so much.Your WW on the other hand....well....that goes with the territory(WS).

All the plans here are hard to do but they are your best shot at keeping your wits about you and trying to save your marriage.You have a bit more time to do on your Plan A to be able to say you are now ready to move onto Plan B.Hang in there!

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P.S. I also want to take this moment to thank you for your service to our country.Many of us hope and pray for your safety out there.

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Thanks for the support Octobergirl . Tentative Plan B date is March 31. That's when our lease ends and that is about the right length for Plan A from what I've read. Hopefully, I'll never see Plan B, but a glorious recovery instead.

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Zoomie,

Do I know you? Did you used to chat on yahoo?

Since your wife is living with you I would just keep up with the Plan A. Lots of time till Plan B.
My WH is overseas at the moment, so I am not sure if I am in Plan A or Plan B. But I am doing the best I can and if it comes down to it, I want to know that I did everything possible to do what is right and to save the marriage. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Just keep trusting in Him and praying.

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Ah,don't be afraid of Plan B.It was a GODSEND to me and many others here.It's a bit hard at first no doubt but,it helps you to detach from the pain you feel dealing with a WS and boy is that liberating.I felt so safe and secure in it and I started to feel like myself again.

Just know that although some newbies here fear it for some reason(maybe gossip <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) it isn't so bad.We will help you with that when the time is near.

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Katiegirl34, no that wassn't me in the yahoo chatroom. I avoid Yahoo like the plague since that is what got my wife in so much trouble.

Not much to say today. I spent the weekend with the Alien. Sure miss my real wife. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

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Zoomie,


I agree with 10Girl, Plan B while tough to walk, is godsend. If I had kids and their plan B complications,I don't know if I could keep my sanity. You are a MUCH better man than I ( thanks for your dedicated military service.


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