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#1192532 10/03/04 12:40 AM
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Every time H says something that upsets or reminds me of his infidelity I tell him...That's a trigger: STOP. He'll say "oh I forgot you're very sensitive about that” DUH wud ya think?

Anyway, he seems to be getting it and trying to be a little more sensitive to me.

However, yesterday I asked him if he had any information regarding the next golf trip... He blew a gasket. I know that we settled on he would tell me when and if he were going and that I shouldn't ask anymore. But I have been noticing a lot more emails from his golfing buddies and the fact he's spending today with a couple of them, I had to ask.

Well, he said no, he has no idea, its months away and told me to get a life. After about an hour he sent me an email detailing the information. Asking for peace on this subject.

So yeah, I was right he knew details but chose not to share...I guess I've left no surprise to my reaction, so he didn't tell me. He got so mad and started yelling on how I ruined his Friday and the whole weekend. Just by asking for dates of his next vacation. Yep I ruined it.
I think as his wife I should know his vacation schedule. I should know where I stand in his life and what kind of plans I need to make.

I tried to tell him what my triggers were, the fact that he's spending today with two of the guys and he'll be traveling again next week on business...these are my triggers!

He says it's clear to him now that I will never trust him and that there is no way he can live like this. I just tried to calmly tell him that he has to understand that this is going to take time.

Every time I think I'm healing he opens the wound.... saying things like "it could be worse, I could have told you've I've been have a 6 month affair", or it's just sex...no big deal, you're going to let a "two bit whore" ruin your life and make you miserable, or even when he posted those notes. (Thank goodness they've stopped)

I hurt a lot, I feel like crying and going back to bed. I know I can forgive his horrible mistake... but according to H to show true forgiveness and trust I should not make a big deal out of a golfing trip. Everyone goes on them. He's learned from his past mistake and won't repeat it. It's just a golf trip. But that's what I thought the last trip was...maybe it was a "cheat on your wife trip" and I got it wrong?

I'm so sad I almost feel like giving up. He'll never understand how it feels, how being betrayed and then being asked forgive, forget and move on feels. How can't he just see that telling me he knows how much he hurt me and how sorry he is and he won't go on this trip if it's going to upset me.

I feel I'm in a lose, lose situation. If he doesn't go he'll be miserable if he does go I'll be miserable, and now even if he doesn't go I know where I stand. I'll be the bad, untrusting wife who is trying to run his life. I know that our damaged marriage is not his first priority.

My IC said it's only once a year...no big deal...I thought you were going to tell me it's every 3 or 4 months. Maybe am I making to big a deal out of this?

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Hmmm. Seems like he just doesn't get how much he hurt you. He was willing to risk losing his marriage because of a "two bit whore", but thinks you should just get over it.

I think you probably need to go to marriage counseling with him, and let someone else tell him what he needs to do to make you feel safe again.

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Believer, he absolutely doesn't get it. He says he won't go to a MC, doesn't think we have problems. I'm the problem, I'm the one making life hell around here.

Tell me something B, if I order a book from this website, will it really come concealed and in a plain packaged, or will the mail man know, the post office, my H or my S?

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I don't know. I get everything from Amazon, which is in a plain wrapper. Why don't you want your husband to know?

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B, if my H saw SAA come in the mail he would blow another gasket. I can just hear it now...You're crazy, I wasn't having an affair! It was just sex. You just want to keep bringing up the past. Move on already, I have!

Since I've read everything on this website and most of these posts I still feel I need more information.

I think this will always bother me but over time I'll heal and put those triggers to rest.

Maybe after I read SAA I give it to H, but to hear his response to receiving this book would just trigger another fight.

Have a Happy Sunday.

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#1192537 10/03/04 11:00 AM
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regards,
I'm so sorry.
I know from experience that if something doesn't happen soon, nothing is going to change and this marriage will self-destruct. I'm not an expert and I'm not really sure exactly what plan of action you can/should take. Maybe another member can help with that. But you guys need to be in MC. I don't know if maybe you should consider Plan B if he continues to refuse to even consider working on this???

#1192538 10/03/04 02:24 PM
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I would really recommend you buy James Dobson's Love Must Be Tough. And I wouldn't let him see or read it either. It sounds like your H is LBing a lot.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> So yeah, I was right he knew details but chose not to share...I guess I've left no surprise to my reaction, so he didn't tell me. He got so mad and started yelling on how I ruined his Friday and the whole weekend. Just by asking for dates of his next vacation. Yep I ruined it.
I think as his wife I should know his vacation schedule. I should know where I stand in his life and what kind of plans I need to make. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Angry outburts followed by disrespectful judgement. Yep, MC is in order. If he keeps on this way how long can you last? Eventually your Love Bank is going to run dry and then it will be over. If he won't go to MC then you should go to IC. I would recommend the Harley's if you are wanting to proceed with the MB way. Phone counseling is effective and convient. Buy SAA immediately and read it first. And yes mine came in a brown paper envelope but I don't remember where it said it came from. If you are worried then just make a phone order and ask.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I tried to tell him what my triggers were, the fact that he's spending today with two of the guys and he'll be traveling again next week on business...these are my triggers! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">IMO he should respect this and give up the trip. If you read this site you will see where I get this from. You two need to be finding recreational compatibilities that you both like. If one doesn't fit it might need to be terminated.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> He says it's clear to him now that I will never trust him and that there is no way he can live like this. I just tried to calmly tell him that he has to understand that this is going to take time. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What does he expect?!!?? OF course you don't trust him. Trust has to be earned it's not free and it's not cheap either. The sooner YOU take this attitude the sooner he will realize that you are not without self-respect. Again Dobson's book will be great help in this department.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe after I read SAA I give it to H, but to hear his response to receiving this book would just trigger another fight. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Your right and he is too fogged to understand it anyways. He does not understand that he is part of the problem too. As well I think that you should not let him read it because of the plan A plan B stuff and the fact that he will be able to prepare for it. I have always kind of thought this but I hope that an expert will show up and give an opinion on this one. Believer...???

faithhopelove04 said: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I don't know if maybe you should consider Plan B if he continues to refuse to even consider working on this??? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I would have to agree. He is not taking you very seriously. And is definitely not giving you any respect.

Keep posting and take care of yourself. We are all here for you.

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thanks FHL04 for your response. I don't know what to do. My words have been saying don't disrespect me, improving myself is giving me more confidence yet my actions with H have been defensive and I'm being malnipulated. Feeling that if I just stop things could be good. If I keep giving, he'll enjoy taking...everythings's fine. Sometimes I feel as if I'm trying to make things up to him.

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Thanks Shmaley, I will order those books, I'll order from Amazon and start reading right away.

I had two sessions with a counselor, who said some pretty off the wall stuff. In a nut shell that I’m making too big a deal of this. Going on a golf trip shouldn't be a problem, men think of sex different the whole madonna/whore thing. Think of all those Hollywood types who have women at their beck and call...but they still go home to their wives.
Pretty weird, right? Or is it me? I didn't think so. I quit seeing that counselor.

I'll try and focus on improving me and making things better for us, but not the way it was.

That girl is GONE!
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