Yes, I will, I do have her addy. Thank you 2L.

I typed it wrong, and bounced it.

Someone once said I didn't spell well. I can't remember who.

Hope Weaver is well - you seem to be, so I don't worry (much.)
Let us know how Faithful is when you hear from her. I would like to know also.

I am not understanding why she left. It doesn't make sense to me. As far as I am concerned, she should come back unless she needs the time to work on her marriage.

Perhaps she doesn't realize how valueable she has been?

SS

I don't either. I keep reading her post, but it doesn't make sense. I think she is torn about recent events...huge trigger for many, and not knowing which way is the right way to offer support to a friend.

Faith is fragile, and the people on this board have become a huge source of sanity, in a world which has been pretty insane for her.

It hits hard when you rely on this board for normalcy...when the people in your life have uncertain and unclear boundaries, ethics, morals.

I see so much of myself in Faith, and vice versa... for those reasons.

I will let you all know how she is if I talk to her. I know Pep will forward my email to her.

She is very, very valuable. She is gentle, and sweet, and fun, and loving...she cares about others when faced with events which would be way too much for most of us.

She is an incredible person, and an incredible mother...a wife who has stood by her husband through the unimaginable.

I hope you are reading Faith...because you are already so very missed, and it has been what, a day?

SS, I am doing great, but I have not had to climb the mountains Faith has, so yeah I am pretty worried... as I know you and others are.

KiwiJ is a great gal... ...who may be having a little difficulty with radical honesty.

FGG is a great guy... ...who just happened 2 be tempted in2 rationalizing that getting involved while separated wasn't REALLY infidelity.

My W is a great gal... ...who doesn't seem 2 see the benefit 2 her of getting withdrawal really under way so she can finish it.


What's hard is that these betrayals and triggers hurt as much as they do. But it doesn't have 2 be that way.

-ol' 2long

SS, I am great doing, but I have not had to climb the mountains Faith has, so yeah I am pretty worried... as I know you and others are.

Oh.................. I don't know about that. It seems to me your mountains have been quite something too. I have great respect for what you have been through, and the growth you have experianced.
For who you are.
Great respect.

SS

Right 2long, right.

It doesn't have to be that way. Sad that it is.
Sad, and painful.

SS

We are all on our own journey, with our own spiritual lessons to learn.

For whatever reasons, some have chosen to be the waywards and some have chosen to be the not waywards...but we will all get to the same place, eventually, it is certain.

SS, I have never been faced with recovery, I have never been faced with "for better or for worse", I have only had to deal with my own recovery...not shared, and not with anyone elses.

I have had it far, far easier than most on this board.

I'm falling in love again. He drove up, five hours from Green Bay because he thought I would have to spend Mothers Day alone. He went to breakfast with my best friend, her family and my daughter...and then took us to Canada, just because.

I haven't wanted to talk about GB too much lately, because I have this terrible fear that he will turn out like the rest, but something tells me that maybe he is different.

He wants me to move there. I told him I wanted to work in a coffee shop, next time around, because Customs business was too stressful after 20 years, and 9/11...and he said, then we will open up a small place for you to work at. He is not rich but he is good at starting business's...

So after three months I am considering it...marriage.

And I am so scared, but peaceful and calm at the same time.

He gets a motel room when he comes here, and asks for nothing of me. He is so sweet.

Oh lord, slow is good...fast is bad.

But how?

edited: SS, you will laugh at this, but after I re-read my post, I could hear Paige saying "Mom, you never start a sentence with the word "but"". My spelling and grammar are so much better when she is reading here with me. LOL

Weaver,
But how what?

Good grief - he sounds wonderful.

Tell him it will take time. Figure out how long and just tell him.

If he is what you think, wouldn't he work it out with you?

Thanks,
I have been wondering.
This feels like a good thing. No doubts and worries for you like before.

Keep praying. You know there is someone there.

SS

I did SS. I told him it would take a year for me to know he is for real, and then he would have to come and help me get my houses fixed up and sold.

He was great with Paige. Kids really like him, and he has a 21 yo daughter.

He comes from a family of 10 siblings, all in his area, so I am really excited about that. They are close too. What could be more wonderful for P and me. She is already asking if his daughter wants a little sister and if she likes to shop (because mom doesn't like to).

We'll see. He is spiritual too, and he truly is, he is not just faking it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Youse gots mail weaver.
GC

Weaver - I am so happy for you.

(sniff)

Heh. Gray, are you trying to get weaver used to the weird way they talk in Green Bay? Although GB might not actually use the term youse (as in "Hey, youse guys! How's the beer, dere, eh? Want some brats widdat?").

It all depends on whether he's from the French side of Green Bay (where they speak with a slightly French-flavored Wisconsin accent) or from a more German-Polish area like my home town, where they speak the way I described above.

Northeastern Wisconsin has fascinating accents. And some mighty odd people, too.

Ten siblings means, I'm guessing, that they're Catholic as opposed to Lutheran. You okay with that (widdat), Weaver?

And no, even though I'm from there, I don't have any of those accents. My mom is from Arkansas, my dad from another part of Wisconsin. I spent half my childhood near Madison and the other half in Manitowoc. Then I went to MinneSOHta for college (4 years), Seattle for grad school (6 years), Northern Virginia for work (8 years), and Maryland for legal safety for my daughter (3 years).

I'm told that I have as "standard American" an accent as anyone possibly could.

Weaver, guard your heart a bit, eh? He sounds cool and a year is a good amount of time. Don't rush that year. If it's worth spending the time, it's worth it. And if it's not, then you're no worse off than you were before, right? Right.

Thank you Kimmy!

It's too soon to go out wedding dress shopping, but he sure is something special.

Like laughter

Like TGIF Hot Wings, Marie's blue cheese dressing and a great glass of Boujelais after a [censored] day at work

Like the white caps on Lake Superior on a really wild day

Like an old broken in goose down pillow

Like my childhood, before life happened

Like sex, after years of celibacy

Kimmy, I sent him all of the above in an email where I told him what I saw when I looked at him, and he said he almost started crying reading that and showed it to his sister who said she knew exactly what I meant.

Then he told me that he remembered me...from childhood dreams.

We actually both said in simulaneous emails that we felt like we had grown up together somewhere, somehow...like childhood best friends that never met.

That makes no sense Kimmy. I'm going to get off of the subject now. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Oh Weav....you're gushing........

How sweet!

(sniff)

I got warm fuzzies.

JJ,

They weren't Catholic or Lutherin...they weren't anything. He said they had a farmette right in the middle of Green Bay before it grew so much.

He definitely has an accent, and I'm guessing German/Polish.

I am guarding my heart J, that is one thing I finally learned.

However, I just know that I am meant to be there with him. I won't do anything drastic for a year, mostly because of P and my job.

Like you, I am not a childless twenty year old, so spontaneous risk taking is pretty much out.

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JJ,

He says "eh" alot. I thought that was a Canadian thing, but maybe not.

In fact he almost talks like a yooper from up near Escanaba area come to think of it.

Remember "Escanaba in de Moonlight"

That's a German/Polish type accent?

Mmm. A yooper accent is a little different than the ones in NE WI, I think, but yeah, the "background" in most of the accents in Wisconsin are based on German/Polish derivatives.

I wouldn't be able to define the difference between a yooper accent and a NE WI accent, but I think I would know it when I hear it. It's funny to go back to WI and hear the newscasters speaking with that accent. I used to think they spoke standard American English, when I was a kid!

Oh, and there are exceptions, of course. The Milwaukee accents are affected by the black population there, the French accents affect accents around Green Bay and Peshtigo, Norwegian and Swedish accents are in pockets here and there, and Native American accents on and near the reservations.

Am I thick or something? You are not sure whether the guy you are falling in love with has a German or Polish accent (I've only read this page so sorry if I've got that wrong?) Haven't you asked him where he's from?

My dad's a pole. He's lovely!

I love what you wrote to him. I'm going to cut and paste in the hope I can pass them off as my own one day!