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#1216487 11/03/04 01:31 AM
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2scared,
I am sorry to hear that you lost the battle, but remember, you haven't lost the war. You and your family are in my prayers.
I don't know if you read the last post on Former WH's and other men I sent to you, so I am resending it here.
2scared and K,
I borrowed this from another post, thought we could all benefit from it..
WU
SAUL TO PAUL - A MAN TOTALLY CHANGED BY GOD -

Do you really believe that God can change people? I love to hear the
testimonies of people having their life changed from drugs, alcohol
or immorality to becoming strong men/women of God.

"Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the
dead? 選 too was convinced that I ought to do all that was possible
to oppose the name of Jesus of Nazareth. And that is just what I
did in Jerusalem. On the authority of the chief priests I put many
of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, I cast
my vote against them. Many a time I went from one synagogue to
another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to
blaspheme. In my obsession against them, I even went to foreign
cities to persecute them." Acts 26:8-11

Do you believe that your Lord can change your spouse that way? The
answer to the question is "Yes!!" God is in the people changing
business. He touches people hearts and changes people completely from
the inside out. Sometimes it is instantly and other times it is a
spiritual process as a baby growing in the Lord.

The scripture above is Paul sharing his testimony to King Agrippa.
Paul was allowed to speak in front of King Agrippa to testify why he
should be set free. Paul was able to share his testimony of what
happened to him on the Damascus Road. He told King Agrippa about his
encounter with Jesus. Have you had an encounter with your Lord Jesus
Christ? Are you praying for your spouse to have a Damascus Road
experience like Paul? Saul was chosen by Jesus and God to become an
ambassador for the Gentiles. What is the Lord asking you to do?

Bob and I know of many people that came to know their Lord Jesus
Christ after their marriage fell apart. Your Lord is right there with
you, your spouse and children. He is wanting to show us His mighty
power. Nothing is too hard for the Lord to do! Believe in God's
mighty awesome saving power for your spouse and for all prodigals.

"'On one of these journeys I was going to Damascus with the
authority and commission of the chief priests. About noon, O king,
as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the
sun, blazing around me and my companions. We all fell to the
ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul,
why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the
goads.' 禅hen I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?' 'I am Jesus, whom
you are persecuting,' the Lord replied. 'Now get up and stand on
your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and
as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you.
I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I
am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from
darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that
they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who
are sanctified by faith in me.'" Psalm 26:12-18

This week we received an email from a man, who humbly asked a
question. Could he be the stander for his wife? He was the prodigal,
who committed adultery. The Lord has touched him, changed his heart,
but his wife will not forgive him. This story is not unusual to us,
as you probably know. We work with many prodigals who have been
touched by their Lord, repented and have had a life changing
experience. Unfortunately, many women, men and churches will not
forgive spouses or friends and are holding grudges, anger, bitterness,
and unforgiveness toward this person and many are confessing
Christians. Please pray for these special standers, prodigals coming
home to their Lord and wanting to be forgiven by their family!

"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly
Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men
their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." Matthew 6:14-15


Oh, that we all would learn what it really means to be a Christian. It
is easy to be a Christian until we are tested or have trouble in our
marriage or at work. That is when we all learn about applying the
principles and precepts to our personal daily walk with the Lord. That
is when we remember our wedding vows, "For better or worse...till
death us do part." Oh, that we would learn what is to love your
spouse unconditionally. Oh, that we would learn how to forgive our
spouse of sins of sexual immorality knowing that the Lord will teach
us and give us the grace, mercy and love to do so. They are many
wounded spouses who have unforgiveness due to their childhood, that
they are not even able to show love and know how to treat their spouses
lovingly. Ask the Lord if you need to forgive someone. Then wait on
the Lord and be ready to starting forgiving others. This will heal
you of your own pain and hurts. Then ask the Holy Spirit to pour the
spirit of forgiveness and unconditional agape love on you and your
spouse.

Many of you are thinking, "How can I believe that God can change my
spouse when my spouse says, 選 will never, never come back. I really
never loved you. You need to get on with your life as I am with
mine.'" Bob and I cannot possibly write all the words that prodigals
say to their spouses to destroy any hope or belief that they would
ever change their mind or heart to return home.

I received a telephone call from a stander this week sharing a praise
report. Last Christmas their marriage looked hopeless in the natural
eye with the other person pregnant. Last Friday, her husband called
her and met with her and told her that he has never stopped loving her.
He loves her, now the Lord has to reveal to him how to come back home.

God can and does touch these men and women. God created them and sent
His Son, Jesus, to died on the cross for them and their sins. Don't
give up! God is moving every day in different ways in every one of
your spouses lives. Remember Saul! Keep your eyes on your Lord and
not on your spouse. Keep growing and maturing in the Lord. Be
burdened and pray for all your family members to be saved. Pray for
all marriages around the world to be restored and for them to be as
God created them to be.

Let's pray a scripture, found in Acts 26:18, that is so powerful:

"Lord, we pray this for every prodigal who is away from you. Lord,
we pray this for every spouse that is in the pigpen of life away
from their families. Lord, open their eyes and turn them from
darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they
may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are
sanctified by faith in me. Lord, go and bring your prodigals home
quickly. Amen."

I am certain that any and all prodigals who have returned home, (and
there are many) are very thankful that their spouse did not give up
on them! Don't give up on your spouse! God is able!

God bless,
Charlyne Steinkamp
Rejoice Marriage Ministries
Post Office Box 10548
Pompano Beach, Florida 33061
http://rejoiceministries.org
http://stopdivorce.org

Thank you for your previous support and encouragment, I hope I can do the same for you.

My job has ended. I wrote the NC letter to OM and it is being mailed today.

You are in my prayers!
WU

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2scared,

You're in my prayers..

WU

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2scared,
I'm still praying for you..

WU

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#1216493 11/16/04 10:19 PM
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WU-

I have read your thread and even went to the web site and read some of the material there about standing in the marriage. It is good material. There is so much from the past that hurts.

I have been reading a lot and have been very busy at work so I haven't posted much. It also doesn't seem real safe here to post honest feelings unless your a BS. So, I've sat back and read on the couch when I had the spare time.

I'm trying to keep perspective. I know God has a plan...I just want to fast forward to the good stuff. The loneliness causes the clock to stop.

I'm still here and praying for you too.

2scared

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2Scared,

I've been wondering how you were doing. I'm so sorry that things aren't working out for you. And I hate that you think you can't post your honest feelings here. I like to think you can.

Maybe you should try it again. I have listened to my FWH and tried to be open minded. It is hard, but necessary. I'm trying to help us both past this situation.

Start a new thread for support from WS's whose spouse is having a hard time or has filed for D. You know, its not over until you both sign.

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#1216495 11/16/04 11:26 PM
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Thanks for the support NG. I will consider that. I'm tough skinned and the harsh comments here don't usually bother me but several have been hurt.

I will see if I can stir the pot a little. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

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#1216496 11/17/04 12:23 AM
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2scared...the honest feelings are what helps me understand what is going through the head of my WH...you have helped me tremendously through my horrendous journey these past 6 months. I miss hearing what you are up to!

-K

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2scared...just a thought. While I am extremely bitter how WH has treated me this past year and continues to treat me, I still miss him and yearn for the wonderful life we once had together. I am sure your wife still has these same thoughts from day to day. I am starting to move on like you wife has...especially since WH hasn't given me an ounce of hope while he carries on his affair BUT there will never be a day that passes by where I don't wonder what he is up to. It doesn't matter how good my day is and where my head is....I will always care about WH and he will always be the very first man to steal my heart away 5 years ago.

Your wife cares about you but is conflicted like I am...I can't fathom living with WH who has lied, cheated, and hurt me yet I also am devastated thinking about losing the man I vowed to share my love, my life with forever. These next 6 months will be interesting...I will carry on with my life like WH is not there but really anything goes, anything can happen. I am not sure how I'll react if he does attempt to come home...guess I'll listen. In fact, if WH shows me any of the growth that you have 2scared, I will be motivated to work on my marriage.

Keep your head high...you are a good man and will always be loved by your wife even though you may doubt that. Soon enough, you will receive that affection that you are yearning for and rightfully deserve.

-K

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2Scared,
Hi there. Too much Coffeeman referred me to you last week, and I bumped up a thread to you.

Please don't give up!!! I was here a long time doing Plan A before my husband responded. There were many false starts and stops. I'm so glad I stuck it out, and we're now remarried to each other.

God bless,
HOPEFUL

PS I don't come here much either, but I will be checking back on your situation.

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2scared,
Thanks for responding. I was/am concerned for you.

I have noticed the tone has changed on this forum. I have not posted much myself.

Today has been 2 weeks since NC! I have not seen or heard from OM. I have not called either. God has been here for me every second. I love being home, my whole focus has been on him and it has made such a change in my heart and attitude. My H has noticed the change also. Occassionally I will catch myself thinking of OM and I have to take captive my thoughts and think on those things that are true and pure.

It's a true statement that change has to begin with you. When you change, things look different, you handle things differently, everyone responds differently. Profound statement. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Please keep in touch as time permits. You were an awesome encouragment and support to me, I'd like to be the same for you.

Again, you are in my prayers as is your family. Is there anything particular I can pray for? Let me know!

WU


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