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#1240926 12/21/04 06:26 PM
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best of luck- save some for me will ya?

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Update.
I am confused. People tell me to stand up for myself, and then when I do, they tell me I did it all wrong and I am just as bad as he is. ***Heavy Sigh*** I guess I just don't get it.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I did not tell you that you are as bad as he is. I told you not to be like he is - not to sink to his level. There is a difference between standing up for yourself, and trying to hurt someone back, KMEJ. You will have to realize that. It has to do with respect.

Standing up for yourself is setting boundaries, and upholding them in a respectful manner. Not playing tit for tat games. Not bringing out sledgehammers and hitting each other over the head with what they have done "wrong" in the past. (You or Him)

I was trying to show you a healthy way of standing up for yourself. It's up to you to take what I say to heart or not. If you want to sigh, and say that you did something, and people are saying you did it wrong, and saying you are bad, then take it that way. That's how you choose to react to it.

OR

You could look at it as a learning experience. If you learn how to fight in a respectful but assertive manner, you will feel better about yourself, and have a better chance of your H truly changing. But you are having to lead by example. Your H doesn't fight fair....you know that. You have told him. But if you are going to fight the same way he is, how do you expect for either of you to get anywhere?

I told you that I was proud of you for feeling the anger. Did that not get to you at all? Do you only look for the bad? Or is this another way to say "See, I tried, but it just doesn't work....now what?"

KMEJ - noone here is trying to hurt you. But you are incredibly resistant to changing yourself. If you would rather fight that way with your H, then do so. Revenge can be satisfying.....at first. But then it will leave you empty. And in the same situation is before.

You will have to decide how serious you are about wanting to change your situation. You WON'T change your H.

#1240928 12/21/04 10:22 PM
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LIT- I am sorry. That post was not directed at only your post to me. I am feeling frustrated tonight. Again I apoligize, ESPECIALLY if I appear resistant to changeing myself, I am not. I am listening, I am trying. I did read what you wrote and I do agree with you. I want to fight fair. I need to practice at it I guess. I usually pretend everything is fine until pushed to far and then I fight back,. I need to be more even keal. Again SORRY. You have given me such great advise, I have a hard time turning your advise into action, incoorporateing it into real life. I do not like fighting H, I do not like being on the defensive here. I am not a huge fan of Drama. I guess I have been looking for the worst and defending myself. There is so much good here. Time to focus more on that.

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I can tell you are feeling frustrated, and I am sorry if I seem harsh. But I also know from my own experience, that if my counseling group had not been incredibly harsh to me, then I would not have made it to where I am today. And it is a HUGE difference.

It's funny - I have a friend who is in a relationship much like yours and mine (was). She called me yesterday evening and asked me to dinner. I drove 45 minutes out of my way to meet her for pizza. My mother called in the middle of dinner, and when I was on the phone with her, all of a sudden, I see the waiter bring my friend's check. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> I looked at her perplexed....

She said that she had forgotten to pay her electric bill, and that her lights hadn't been turned on yet, and she needed to go home to check that out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Then it hit me......her boyfriend had called 5 minutes earlier. She had told him she was "grabbing a bite to eat" - not that she was having dinner with me. She had to go home b/c he wouldn't have allowed her to be at dinner with me - b/c it would be taking away from his time. You see, he doesn't allow her to do things if it's not when he wants, how he wants, and if it doesn't fit his little vision. Even if it is harmless. How much damage could a one and a half hour dinner with me do? It was just dinner! There's nothing wrong with dinner! I see her maybe three times a month! So she left and I finished dinner alone.

Sound familiar?

Sad thing is, I got a really good taste of what I used to do to others, in order to make my H happy. And you know what? Being on the receiving side last night HURT. It hurt really badly. I was very down today as a result. I was angry with her. I was angry that I drove out of my way, and she didn't even have the courtesy to tell me the truth. Yet I was her at one point....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

She called me today, and said that she and him had gotten in a fight.....she told him she was going to get her nails done today, and would be back a little later than usual. He got angry, told her that they didn't spend enough time together last night, and that if she was going to get her nails done, then he was going to leave and go sleep in his own apartment. So she said 'fine.' She did stand up for herself. But then she called him later and told him good night.

She called me to ask if I wanted to get a drink with her, but I didn't. Aside from the fact that I don't really feel like drinking tonight, I know that I am sloppy seconds. And aside from that, if I go out with her, then he will say "you chose LIT over me - you can't hang out with her anymore." No wonder all my friends and family backed so far off from me. No wonder I always felt like I was walking on eggshells. No wonder I always felt torn between friends and my H.

I have lost a lot of respect for her as a person. Because she will start to put up a boundary, but when it doesn't result as she had hoped, then she falls back into the same old pattern.

KMEJ - I don't want that for you. I want you to respect yourself more. Our situations are much more similar than you may realize. And there are certain keys to turning yourself around. I really am happier now, KMEJ - even without my H. I didn't think I could be, but I am. And I hope to find a healthy love in the future. I do have hope!

KMEJ - I really like you when you are honest. Even when you are not the 'good guy.' My post to you was not to tell you that you were wrong, or that you are bad - but rather to help you fight in a healthy way that will in turn teach your H respect, as well as build your own self respect. I hope you are able to see that.

PS - Sometimes when I got too frustrated with my group, and felt overwhelmed - I would tell them that I needed some space to process what had been said. And I would take that time - without updating on my situation, etc. I would just take time, and continue as far along the path as I could. It is a path, and you will not make each step perfectly. I often felt persecuted by my group members - first I was accused on not getting angry. When I got angry, then they harped on me about not standing up for myself. When I stood up for myself, they harped on me for not setting boundaries, and enforcing them.

KMEJ, I went through the same learning curve you are. It hurts. I know. It hurts a lot. But the end result will be worth it, I promise. (((KMEJ)))

If you need some space, then ask for it.

But one thing - please try to realize when you are latching onto the 'support' factor. That puts you back into your 'foggy' state. It's an escape factor - a corner of that room where you don't see the light. But all it does is prolong your personal recovery. Face the light, but know when you need to rest to adjust your eyes. It's OK to just adjust and practice what you've learned so far. Just realize that there are some more steps ahead.

You can do this. I promise.

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Thank you for being so honest and shareing with me, I respect you a great deal. I was hurt by your earlier post because I felt I disappointed you. That is something I do not want to do. Continue to guide me if you feel you can. I will continue to try to improve and grow stronger. I do want to improve the respect level between H and I, and you were so right that I was sinking to his level- I find when I am hur that badly it is hard not to do it back- and it is still WRONG. I was wrong, no matter how good it may have felt at the moment.

#1240931 12/29/04 12:15 AM
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12/28/2004

I have not updated my journal in a while. It has been a busy time. I am doing well/ I Survived Christmas with very few bumps- most of those were self inflicting memories from Christmas past. I struggled a lot with flashbacks from last years Christmas, and visions of FOW, and all the pain caused last year. However I kept telling myself that is a thing from the past and that I needed to focas on this year. FH was trying his best to help me through it as well- I think he could tell I was struggleing, and I could tell he was thinking of last year as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

The three little tornadoes had a great Christmas- lots of smiles <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> lots of laughter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> and sheer excitement!! So much better then the tears and heartbreak from last year.

I am doing pretty good with setting up and keeping boundaries. I find the more days that go by the less FWH risists them and is just falling into line. I am thinking maybe it is time to add a few more boundaries to the list. I do not want to get my hopes up too high as in the past the crash back to earth is a harsh and bumpy fall.

Trying to stay strong. Trying to do what is right.

#1240932 12/29/04 09:04 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KMEJ:
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Trying to stay strong. Trying to do what is right. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Good for you...I am rooting for you always.

#1240933 12/29/04 10:50 AM
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Thanks Lemonman- your continued support means a lot to me.

How was your Christmas?

#1240934 12/29/04 10:55 AM
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good job im happy that things are getting better.
did you do the gym membership?
stick to your boundries maybe expand a little at a time and keep your emotions in check <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

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Thanks Dalson.
No I did not get the membership as of yet. H bought me a MP3 player with radio armband thing- put all my favorite songs on it and said he would try to help me work out at home. Asked me to try that for a few months and see if that would do the trick- or until his promotion goes through. He does not understand my desire to join the gym and thinks it is silly- but that is his problem not mine.
I actually like this boundary thing, at least currently- while it is working so well.

WE went to a family reunion (my side) this past weekend and my brother in law made the comment after I stated that I felt H was ignoreing me "Katie- I don't usually defend H- but he is playing with his kids so you can visit- I am impressed". H did do wonderfully- he played with the kdis, went swimming with us, watched them so I could talk with family- helped pack- even my stuff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> and matched everything <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> . When we got home we had friends over to play cards and they too commented on how fatherly H was being. I should be thrilled to death, but I am feeling paranoid that there is a hidden agenda. Isn't that horrible!!! H is doing things well and I think there is something behind it! I am hoping it is just my insecurities and not my intuition talking again.

How was you christmas?

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it was good i had the kids until x-mas day afternoon had to meet ww i was trying to hurry up and make the exchange b4 i broke down, i have a real hard time giving them up, but she said i was being a jerk, and she didnt know why she couldnt pick them up at my families, then said it was because i ran her down to them, and that is why we cannot get back together was because i brought everyone into our problems. babble babble
i just said all i told them was the truth.
but my kids had a ball.
im so glad to here your h is showing you some respect. just stick with your plan

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KMEJ:
<strong> Thanks Lemonman- your continued support means a lot to me.

How was your Christmas? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">X-mas was great, unfortunately I caught the "flu" and have been bed ridden for the past 48 hours. This kind of sucks, I feel like someone beat the $hit out of me. I have to get it together soon, as I am on call this Friday evening. I am hoping the local rod and gun club stays closed through the new year and allows me to get some rest....UNlikely though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

It sounds like your FWH is making some great strides in your opinion...good for you. How are the little tornadoes. I imagine your house is a holy mess with X-mas and three active tornadoes on sight. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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Lemonman,
I am sorry that you have taken ill. I hate the flu more then anything. I really feel for you. Ick.

I am watching my twin neice and nephew today over at my sisters house, and let me tell you my house is spotless compared to this one. WHat a mess. I love my sister, but she is not known for her cleanliness. The twins made quite the haul for Christmas, so now I do not feel my house is so bad any longer. However the 5 of them have managed to conqour and distroy everything in their path. Nothing a 7,4,2,2 &1 year old can not find a way to get in too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Things with H are up and down. More up then down, however today H is really with drawn again. I hate it- but he is at work until 8 or 9 tonight- he too is sick- so I will be paitent.


Did your newphews like the presents you got them?

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