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Hi MB'ers,

Happy holidays to all fellow MB'ers. Just an update...xWH and I returned from our overseas trip. MB suggests couples take a vacation when starting recovery. Although I knew this, I was still reluctant because I was unsure if we would get along. These trips also trigger me because WH told me that OW and he use to talk about traveling together. Ugh.

But it worked out...we had a great time. Saw lots of sights and had fun which was great fill his recreation EN. Also xWH made all the arrangements and I complimented him alot which fills his admiration EN.

Now we have returned home and I’m a little scared. He is still retired without anything full time to occupy his time. It has been about four weeks of NC, but I am afraid he will fall back into C. He does not show too many signs of withdrawal. We are recovering ,but don’t have a plan. Although the conditions of returning after Plan B was phone coaching and completing the lessons from MB seminar, xWH criticizes MB concepts. He thinks we can do it ourselves. I told him “that was last year's plan and it did not work.” I let WH know--if he does not like MB, I am open to any alternatives he might like to suggest. He said he didn't know where to research; I gave some suggestions on where to research and he said "we might as well stay with MB." Called his bluff and it was not real.

I think xWH reluctance to any recovery plan stems from his fear of facing himself and the pain he caused. I think introspection scares the h@ll out of WH--he might have to admit he is not a victim and is an adult responsible for his own action.

I shared with him, I felt as if we are in a holding pattern. We know we need and want a different M. He criticizes MB, but doesn't have an alternative. We know we are doing certain things wrong in our M, but don’t have info on how to do it right and don’t have room for trial and error mistakes. I am struggling with setting boundaries and not LBing by demanding the counseling. The last thing I want is to have a WH that is begrudging. When pressured, he admits he really knows what we need to do, but stops short of doing it on his own eg making a MC appt. or doing the MB assignments. I will try to set up appt. with SH for the next few weeks to establish that as a "habit" and pray for WH rebellion. I am prepared to go to Plan B again if necessary because I do not want to set myself up for this to happen again. Unless we get at the real source of our difficulities, I can see it happening again.

Any suggestions on how to gently get out of the recovery Catch 22?

I can see him trying. We changed cell/home phone number, email address. He really tries to open his life to me--cell phone and credit card bills. I asked him tonight what happens if OW sends him a card. He said he would throw it away. I asked him, “would you tell me?” He said yes. He said "I think you would want to know,” and I said “yes, thank you...I would want to know.” We are able to talk and have minor differences now without them blowing up into power struggles. All in all things are better, just want to make sure we stay on track.

Thanks for your thoughts and happy holidays. This is a tough time of the year, but I hope the board helps ease our experience by being a place to share. I know I give thanks for having all of you on the board. God bless. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ December 13, 2004, 03:03 AM: Message edited by: SureSurvivor ]</small>

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suresurvivor..

this is no time to go belly up on the counseling issues....

you need clear boundaries with a back up plan in your back pocket for what you will do if this unravels...

xWH criticizes MB concepts.

set your boundaries...
mine would be you have one week to present alternative counseling...or else we stick with this one...
and you keep your trap quiet on your complaints...

infact all complaints can and must go through the marriagebuilders complaint department...since YOU suresurvivor did not create the marriagebuilders plan...and have NO control over their policies...

period....

I'm serious about that....

ARK

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Thanks Ark, for the reply and direction. Setting of the time limit helps me...I do not think xWH will come up with anything...but it helps to not have the quandry drag on. I set an appt. with SH today and think I will also book the next couple of weeks with the holidays--at least we can get three sessions in before the end of the year.

Thanks again for your reply. I always get so much out of your postings...I am still trying to whistle while eating crackers...lol! I appreciate your help. Happy holidays. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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SS - I would tell him that you have no other plan besides the MB plan, and it is FREE. So ask him to join you until he figures something else out. Would he post here?

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Hey Believer,

How are you? I have been reading your postings and not to threadjack my own thread....but you rock. I think the best revenge if that is one's goal is living well and you are living proof of that. You have yourself together and WH is still babbling and has lost everything. Meanwhile, you are moving on this yourself...have yourself and home together...so together you are helping others...while WH continues to wallow in his self-pity. He has choices, but so far has not moved. Tsk, tsk.

Anyway...I like your suggestion, suggest to my xWH to work with MB until we find something better. He has actually become a better H as a result of MB. He recites MB principles without realizing where he heard them. He is more respective of me and thinks we should spend time together and be on "the same page." Sound familiar? So I will try this approach so as to keep progressing and not just stall out. Good suggestion...I'll give it a try.

Thanks, Believer. You rock. I am also donating my time to the less fortunate this Xmas. With all that is going on with me, I still want to make this world a better place and help others. Thanks for being such a good inspiration! Happy holidays! ss

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Wow! I'm glad things are going well for you. Good job!

This is gonna be a long process. Try not to rush it.
You set the conditions for your H's return. One of those was counseling. He agreed to them, so do not back off from it.
Since words of admiration is a big EN of his, I would thank him every now and then for being a big man and stepping up to the plate to work the MB principles. Letting him know how much you apreciate his efforts is gonna make it hard for him to be critical of the program and counseling.

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Hi TTSi, Thanks for the words of encouragement and advise. You are right...I am rushing things because I am afraid of another relapse and false recovery so I get a little edgy because I am expecting things to fall apart. Your advise is good to encourage him and then he will have difficulty backing out.... I quietly patted him on the back the other day when he finally reagreed to an appt. I'll take your suggestion and slowly move up the notch on enthusiam (sp).

Once again to threadjack myself, how is it going with you? How are you doing? How was your time in the city with your brother? Anymore emails from WS re: car? Hope you are well and thanks for your wisdom. ss

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Well you do have a plan, the MB recovery plan. It is very common for the WS to not be thrilled about it so early. But now you know to meet his EN's and don't forget the 15 hours a week doing fun things together.

Remember, recovery is the hardest, so rest up some.


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