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I'm back Lemmonman can you email me, if I send you my address?

Just so the rest of the posters know, I think it's fair and I have no quams about being honest. There have been many people that have helped me, and I hope I have been able to help others. I feel obligated to keep no secrets!

I have confirmed with the letter from the CDC that my WW has been treated for an STD, what I don't know.

Just so you all know. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
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Sure just leave it right here and I will get it, and then you can deleted quickly.

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How do I delete it?

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God, I am so sorry for all of this. This is a very bad time here, but lets put this in perspective ok. We will all help you get through this.

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next post leave it on for 20 secoinds, I iwll get it and then you quicklly just edit the post of the number.

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Thanks, LM, How do I delete my email address?

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post it now

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<small>[ December 17, 2004, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: native00 ]</small>

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Native, I'm sorry this is happening to you, but I'm glad you have Lemonman to "talk" with. Still, get thee to a doctor in person right away!

Take care,
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PM,

Thanks, this nightmare that I've been in for the past 3 months is just going from horrible to unbearable. I don't think it can get any worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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:::Once again you may be a tad misguided

Am I misguided a lot? ("once again") <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

::::You see, her behavior is all "addiction related" and in a sense she can't control it. There has been a wave of "brain neurotransmitters" that have been fired that make her actions truly questionable, but this is all really a sickness.

Hence the saying, love sick? Yes, it's nature at work. But a lot of people here don't buy that. October Girl just gave me a right dressing down for saying the exact same thing. I see it more as nature with the wires crossed. (e.g. nature normally provides attachement chemicals in the mother so she will care for the 3 little children involved in this case)

:::While her actions are terrible, they are not "really" her. This my friend, is the essence of "THE FOG".

I have a bit of a problem with "the fog". Having spent ten years in a religious cult, I truly believed a bunch of cr*p that would make your hair stand on end. However, I didn't feel guilty about what I was doing and I believed I was doing the right thing 100%. I was in a fog. I had a religious addiction.

Affair fog is a little different to that. There is a conscious decision to turn your back on what you know to be right and a deeply painful sense of self disgust over your behavior, hence a lot of fancy foot work to shift all the facts around to fit what you want to do.

The endorphine hit (feel good factor) that WS enjoys is accepted by them as purely selfish. Have you ever had the "rush" yourself? I have. And I know that there's a choice involved. Whether to let it get hold, or whether to stand back and take stock, while you put the feel good feelings aside and consider what it is you are doing. From my understanding, WS refuse to do that. They make a choice not to think about what they are doing, because they know that if think about it, according to their previously held life model, they won't be able to do it. The premiss is; I want this, and the rest of it will have to fit what I want - even though they know it's wrong.

This is a fascinating area of discussion because perhaps we are not all created equal. I am truly at a loss to comprehend how some people give in so easily to this. If it's that powerful why doesn't everyone do it every couple of years when there is a new feel good factor on offer?

Would you not feel sympathy for your spouse if they were suffering from Cancer???????????

No, it's nothing like cancer is it? It's mroe like, would I feel sympathy for my spouse if they got conned out of our life savings? I guess I don't feel sorry for people who delude themselves into damaging themselves and other people.

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Well, actually, never say "never" is good advice. However, it can certainly get better.

Please look to care for children and yourself first, both physically and emotionally.

IMO, an STD (especially one kept from you in secret) is a deal-breaker. Go your own way. You deserve better.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by anyname:
<strong> :::Once again you may be a tad misguided

Am I misguided a lot? ("once again") <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

::::You see, her behavior is all "addiction related" and in a sense she can't control it. There has been a wave of "brain neurotransmitters" that have been fired that make her actions truly questionable, but this is all really a sickness.

Hence the saying, love sick? Yes, it's nature at work. But a lot of people here don't buy that. October Girl just gave me a right dressing down for saying the exact same thing. I see it more as nature with the wires crossed. (e.g. nature normally provides attachement chemicals in the mother so she will care for the 3 little children involved in this case)

:::While her actions are terrible, they are not "really" her. This my friend, is the essence of "THE FOG".

I have a bit of a problem with "the fog". Having spent ten years in a religious cult, I truly believed a bunch of cr*p that would make your hair stand on end. However, I didn't feel guilty about what I was doing and I believed I was doing the right thing 100%. I was in a fog. I had a religious addiction.

Affair fog is a little different to that. There is a conscious decision to turn your back on what you know to be right and a deeply painful sense of self disgust over your behavior, hence a lot of fancy foot work to shift all the facts around to fit what you want to do.

The endorphine hit (feel good factor) that WS enjoys is accepted by them as purely selfish. Have you ever had the "rush" yourself? I have. And I know that there's a choice involved. Whether to let it get hold, or whether to stand back and take stock, while you put the feel good feelings aside and consider what it is you are doing. From my understanding, WS refuse to do that. They make a choice not to think about what they are doing, because they know that if think about it, according to their previously held life model, they won't be able to do it. The premiss is; I want this, and the rest of it will have to fit what I want - even though they know it's wrong.

This is a fascinating area of discussion because perhaps we are not all created equal. I am truly at a loss to comprehend how some people give in so easily to this. If it's that powerful why doesn't everyone do it every couple of years when there is a new feel good factor on offer?

Would you not feel sympathy for your spouse if they were suffering from Cancer???????????

No, it's nothing like cancer is it? It's mroe like, would I feel sympathy for my spouse if they got conned out of our life savings? I guess I don't feel sorry for people who delude themselves into damaging themselves and other people.

AN </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ann:

Thank You for such a wonderful post. I could have never wrote it the way you did. Good job. Thanks.


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never mind. I think I miss-stepped.

<small>[ December 17, 2004, 12:55 AM: Message edited by: papermom ]</small>

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Thanks again PM. I'm really afraid that since she has tried to keep everything from me for the past 3 months, lies, betrayal, anger..... you name it. I don't know who this person is anymore.

I don't think I'm going to be able to recover from this.

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I am gonna get rolling here into bed soon. I emailed you, so now you have my email. I iwll talk to you tommorrow. Later, and peace to all.


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Native, of course you WILL recover; there's really no other choice except to recover. You're young (believe me, that works in your favor!), and you have three very small reasons to get it together and forge ahead.

I'm not saying it will be easy, but I do know one thing: you'll survive this!

God bless,
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Thanks LM.

I don't know what this says about Love being unconditional. Can I say that I still love my WW, and then tell her that despite that I love her I have to divorce her because of her STD?

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Native you can edit your email addy out by going back to that post and clicking on the Quotation marks and deleting it.

Sorry if I'm butting in here. Just really concerned for you.

Gotta get to bed myself now. Breathe in, breathe out.
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