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Buttercup:CC, I'm sure Myrta won't mind a slight threadjack.
I was a bit tough on you the other day. I don't know if you even saw my post because you didn't reply.
I have been where you are now. Exactly where you are now - which is probably why I'm a bit tough on you.
If you want to e-mail me my addy is jenmbl@netscape.net.
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Kiwi,
I don't know which thread you meant. I must have missed it. Sorry. I just emailed you.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, I know my husband really loves me and I am really going to put that in my mind when he says something to me and I will assume that everything that comes out of his mouth is for my benefit, for OUR benefit.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well .... let's just use an example:
Stanley says something typically dumb expressing where he is right now in recovery (behind you, by the way) .... "Myrta, I know you must have loved OM. He gave you something I could not."
What I have noticed is this: When Stanley expresses his hurt, it makes you uncomfortable, so you jump back, getting yourself further away from him. This jump back is to make YOU more comfortable, because his discomfort is too much for you.
I offer you this alternative action.... step closer in toward Stanley, emotionally nuzzel him when he's frightened and speaking his hurt in his typical way. Really get physically closer to him, lower your voice to a whisper, and speak soothingly. "I am here with you because you are MY man. I choose MY Stanley." Repeat if necessary. Do not anger. Get softer and softer, until he is soothed.
Do not assume he says these things to hurt you. Try to feel empathy for him instead of jumping automatically right to your shame which then leads you to defensive actions. Assume Stanley is not trying to hurt you. Assume he is trying to reach you through his pain by exposing his tender underbelly.
His hurt cannot be touched by your logical arguement Myrta, only by your loving actions.
Make sense yet?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Pepperband, you are very energetic, and very spirited. How do you manage , how do you level your energy to be all positive at home, here?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I am spirited in a way similar to you Myrta. Full of piss and vinegar. Sometimes afraid to show vulnerability. Not always willing to ask for help when I need it.
I worked through some of this after the D-day in therapy. I was referencing some strong determined act I did with the therapist, and I said, "Yeah, I can do that, I am a trooper." (I was sooooo proud of this self-imposed label "trooper" ... like a Girl-Scout merit badge, or some damn thing.)
Therapist said, "Go home, write out all the ways being a trooper has hurt you."
Myrta .... the list was looooong. No brownie points for not asking for help. No brownie points for silently enduring or noble suffering. There is no list in heaven for all the times I proudly took one on the chin because I am a "trooper".... Being tough can be a sin, I think. It shouts of pridefulness and a lack of humility. This was my toughest lesson Myrta. Learning to be soft when softness is the strongest action.
Other people on this board have the opposite dilemma. learning to be tough.... but you and I are tough ... but we need to trust that it is safe to expose our softness ...appropriately.
My life is as scrambled as anyone elses (at times). I have learned to be more flexable with myself. The business of boundaries is interesting. The boundaries we set are an expression of our own value system ... our core ethics and moral code. Life is a constant classroom. There are things that should bend, and things that should not bend .... under certain circumstances. We are like individual navigators in our own little boat. Navigating the sea of life. The weather is sometimes calm, and there are storms and gale force winds as well. Our spouse is in his own little boat.... and we sail next to each other ... hoping we don't lose sight of each other. But I cannot set anyone's sail but my own.
Learn when to bend softly Myrta. And learn when not to bend but to put on your life-vest and simply hold on !
What a lovely ride Myrta. Don't you just love life !!!
Pep <small>[ December 18, 2004, 09:40 AM: Message edited by: Pepperband ]</small>
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Such a good thread, and I'm getting so much out of it too.
Not exactly "accepting everything" ... more like: assuming that those people in your life who love you, intend no harm. Assume an innocent intent.
This was something I was trained to do as a supervisor at work - "assume the best". Difficult to do at work, and EXTREMELY difficult to do at home when emotions and past hurts, and especially "habit" run high.
I have big trouble with this, still. Thanks for the reminder Pepper.
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PEPPERBAND--Thank you so much for your informative post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> It is so funny you are talking about being tough. Pepper, I had been accused by my sisters that I dont have any feelings, because since we are spanish we are more emotional, you know. But I am more contained, think more, dont let them see really what I feel, if the say things that hurt me . They get all bend out of shape and insult me and call me all sort of names.
But Pepperband, the last couple of years or so I had notice a change in me. I am more expressive. I would tell people if they hurt me or anger me. And it makes me feel so much better.
But with my husband, my guard, my walls were still up. Because I have always being the strongest of the two, and I did not want him to think otherwise. I was very proud of being the way I was, but look what it brought me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . It brought me to the worst web possible in someones life, I knew how to get in, but I got tangled some where in there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
I dont know why I have always been this way, like I said, maybe is because growing up, I saw things that a little girl or teenager should not had seen. It made me tough, it made me not to trust anyone. Pepper, everybody says that I look like I dont break a plate, that I am so peaceful, but yet I was not that way. Yes, I know I have to learn how to be more bendable.
I give my husband love all the time,Pepperband. As a matter of fact, today we went to visit my sisters in Va. (3 1/2 hours trip)and on the way back I made this game bet, to see whom would guess the time of arrival to our house. If he was the winner I would be his prize <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> . He liked that game a lot,by the way ,He won!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> So, I do things to show him my love, my desire for him. I give him lots of it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> . But I know he still needs more.
Thank you so very much for you time and for comparing me to you!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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Myrta,
Sometimes it is the timing that counts a lot. I think that is what Pepper is suggesting. Often when you feel least like it is when you should do it show love the most.
Hi Myrta, have you been behaving yourself this last week? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Won't be one much this next week either, but I wanted to wish you and Stanley a very Merry Christmas.
Actually, I would like to wish all on this thread a great holiday filled with happiness.
God Bless,
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JustLearning--Thanks for the advice, yes, I know what you mean. I should remember that. JL,,,,thank you so much for all your advice since my beginning posting here. YOu have been right about everything, as usual, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> .
I want to wish you as well and your family and very Merry Christmas filled with joy and happiness and good health!! You can still write me sometimes, I love your posts, they always have so much insight. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
Take care
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