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MIF,
I'm also glad that your back and stronger than ever. I'm told that the pain will fade away eventually. Probably around the time that you meet that new person in your life that will want to take care of you.
I hope you made out okay in your D, I know how the courts are against the fathers.
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That's just it. I am still very early in the process. I filed on 12/2 wife was served 12/11. We have a looooooong way to go. Hopefully we can do it amicably. I have every intentions of doing it that way, but ya never know.
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Well... I do hope your D process goes smoothly.
Unfortunately in my case my WW's behaviour so far in legal proceedings made me madder than the A itself.
Sad but true. But hopefully things go better for you.
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Oh I see, well I hope it all works out the best for you! What are the laws in your state as far as Adudelty is concerned. What does your Lawyer say? Either way the main point of all this is the fact that you will no longer be destroyed as a human being. You can and have moved on.
Good on ya!
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I have accepted the fate of my marriage as being divorce. I am not happy about, but have accepted it.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MIF?: <strong> I have accepted the fate of my marriage as being divorce. I am not happy about, but have accepted it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good for you if you are truly OK with this decision. Welcome back <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by lemonman: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MIF?: <strong> I have accepted the fate of my marriage as being divorce. I am not happy about, but have accepted it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good for you if you are truly OK with this decision. Welcome back <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well, 4 days, and I still am. I think my WW just kept withdrawing love units from her account and now has gone bankrupt.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">"KMEJ, I don't have any intentions of getting involved on a serious level with anyone. There is nothing wrong with going out and sewing some wild oats, between consenting adults anyway, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
MIF?"</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There is while still being married and you have not emotionally healed from your failed marriage. Don't fool yourself that 'sewing some wild oats, between consenting adults' will not lead you to getting involved on a serious level. Right now your WW's foggy behavior is giving you justification to return her thoughtlesness with thoughtlesness of your own. What are you going to do if in the following weeks your WW ends her affair, expresses remorse to you, and a sincere desire to save and rebuild the marriage but you are in an affair of your own? Don't scoff at this scenario because you also have children with your WW who will most probably will express their desire for you not to leave. Beleive me that it is not a situation that you'd want to find yourself in. Please give these rants of mine some serious thought.
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I agree with TMCM. It is good you are feeling better and can ride any storm, but don't do what your wife did.
You have children. I'm willing to bet she will be back.
When my 1st wife left us for the 2nd time, someone told me she will be back. Needless to say, I didn't believe it. Sure enough, a few years later, here she returns wanting to reunite.
Now it is 24 years later, and she is still trying to break up my present marriage of over 19 years.
What I'm trying to say is keep your options open until the last out at the end of the game. You never know how you will feel then, and you can say yes or no.
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Well, the thing is. Right now, I don't need or want her back. After everything she has done to me the past few months, she has brought out the worst in me. I think I want to move on, I think I look forward to moving on. A guy can only take so many lies before he gets sick of them. I have some information that she doesn't know I know and she still denies what is really going on. Maybe if she sat me down and said here is the deal. This is everything from the start to the present... and spilled it all out, layed it all out on the table, maybe I could gain a little respect for her back and we could still work on our M, but I really don't see her doing something like that. She is stuck in the "it's not about him", "He's a platonic friend", "There is nothing going on" mode that for whatever reason she thinks I am going to believe what she tells me. Like I said, I am privy to a few things that she doesn't know I know, and they confirm that there is more going on than a "friendship", but she won't admit to it. I can't respect someone who will lie to my face over and over again. She has told me the past 4 months that she wants to save this marriage, she wants to keep this family together, but has done nothing to show she means that.
I have said since DDay that she needs to get rid of OM. She knows this is essential to our reconciliation. She tells me she does, but the first time we have a hiccup in our recovery she runs to OM and confides in him. I can not and will not accept that.
I told her since DDay that I want no more secrets, no more lies (PORH), but I continue to catch her in lies and when confronted on them she continues to lie to cover it up. As my WW would say, "what am I parked on dumb and sitting on stupid?"
I have told her since DDay that I want her actions to refelct her words. If you tell me you have no secrets, don't have secrets. If you tell me you are done with OM, then be done with OM. It should not be too difficult to kick him to the curb if he is just a "friend". It is harder if you are emotionally attatched to him.
A couple of things I am talking about: Her cell phone stores the last 10 calls made and last 10 calls received. Every time I check her phone there is usually 5 or 6 received and 5 or 6 dialed calls. The only way they fall below 10 is when you first get the phone and haven't made/received 10 calls yet or they are manually deleted. She tells me that her phone screws up sometimes and deletes them on it's own somehow. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> "What am I parked on dumb and sitting on stupid?" As a matter of fact her cell phone rang last night so I wondered if it was OM. It wasn't, it was her girlfriend, but I decided to check the recent call list. Guess what? 6 recieved calls with her girlfriend being #6. That means there were 5 calls she had deleted from the list. Why? I suspect they were calls to OM and she didn't want me to know. Now if I said something to her about that she would come up with some story about how her phone must have deleted them on its own again.
She, at one point, gave me her password to her email account so I could check it if I felt I wanted to. Well, a few weeks later for whatever reason she changed the password on me so I couldn't check. She wants me to trust her, but does stuff like this? Last night, we had a discussion and I brought this up. She ran over to the computer and logged on. I told her it didn't matter anymore. She wanted to show me what was in her email account. She quickly deleted a few things and then said it was just spam. I asked her why she did that, because it certainly looks like she was hiding something and she said it was just spam. "What am I parked on dumb and sitting on stupid?" Well, that is not convincing if you ask me. The proper response would have been to not delete anything and let me see the spam as well as other emails.
Last week she went downstate to a conference. One night in question she told me she didn't know where she was going to stay. (How convienient) I asked her to call me when she knew. She said she planned on going to her mom's or her girlfriends. Well, she calls me after the conference and tells me she is on her way to eat at Ruby Tuesday with some friends who are staying at the hotel where the conference was at. She also tells me she is going to stay with them in their hotel room (how convienient). Now, she called me from her car on the way to the resteraunt. Supposedly she was going to eat with the gals she is going to be staying with at the hotel. It was obvious that no one was with her in the car. I could hear no other voices and when she arrived she told me she was at the restaraunt and I could hear the car being shut off. Still no other voices, or car doors being opened or shut. "What am I parked on dumb and sitting on stupid?" Why wouldn't they all car pool? It would only make sense, especially since my WW drives a van and could fit everyone. Why? I suspect she may have stopped to eat with the gals, but she drove separatly because she had other plans, like spending the night with the OM. When I question this she gets upset. Well hello honey, you set the precident by not being trustworthy. I have told her I don't trust her and she does not take the proper steps to show she can be trustworthy. The following night she did go to her girlfriends house. I could hear the kids in the background and knew she was at her gf's. Well, she called me on her cell. We spoke and a while later I called her to talk some more, but I called the gf house. My WW got upset because I was "checking up on her". Checking to see if she really was at the gf's house. I told her I knew she was there because I could hear the gf's children in the background. I just called the house phone for a better connection. My thought was why wouldn't she want to show she is trustworthy by calling me from the gf's home phone? If I were trying to prove I am trustworthy after making some past mistakes, I would go out of my way to ease my WW's mind by providing proof of where I was. I would call from the friends house voluntarily to show that's where I was, instead my WW gets upset that I am "checking up on her" when I wasn't even checking up on her that night. It was the night before that I have my suspicions, but have know idea about.
A few weeks ago I saw my WW was looking up Kama Sutra gift ideas online. Now, this is my WW who says she doesn't care if she ever has SF again. Just 6 hours prior to her looking this up online she called her attorney and started the process to have me removed from the house. I mentioned that I saw she was looking up sensual gifts, Kama Sutra online and she said "You don't know who that's for". "What am I parked on dumb and sitting on stupid?" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I know it's not for me that's for sure. And if it's not for me, then who could it possibly be for? I wonder, hmmmmm.....
These are just a few of the lies, deciets and disrespect she has shown me lately. I can't take it anymore. I don't want to go through my marriage having to check up on my WW all the time. I know she doesn't want me checking up on her all the time, and without her volunteering information it would take a lot longer for me to build trust in her again than it would if she were open and trying to show/prove she can be trusted.
RAG and TMCM, I kind of went off on a tangent there, but the above items I listed are reasons that if my WW came to her senses and wanted to work on the M I am not sure I would want her back. Like I mentioned, I want to be able to trust the woman I am with, and my WW is not trustworthy, IMHO. I also realize that should I get involved with anyone, even if it were to "sew some wild oats" that there is the risk of it turning into something more serious. First of all, I have not gotten involved with anyone else. A little flirting with a cute waitress (who, I realize is working for tips). I have considered stopping in to see her this coming week, but don't know if I actually will. I may not have time with Christmas and all. MIF? <small>[ December 21, 2004, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: MIF? ]</small>
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No one, least of all me, is trying to tell you what to do with your life only to watch out for pitfalls that many others in your shoes have fallen into and later regretted it. We BS are very vulnerable to finding ourselves involved with another person especially when the WS is still involved with the OP. If you no longer have any hope in your WW wanting to save and rebuild the marriage, and you truly beleive that you are ready to move on with your life, then by all means do so, but please take time to emotionally heal first before you find yourself involved with any other woman even if its 'just for sex' [which it almost always never is].
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TMCM, Point taken. Will do.
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MIF,
Remind me - I know you've been asked - why did you file for D rather than go to plan B?
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I went with plan D instead of plan B because I didn't think my WW had any intentions of giving up OM. I couldn't keep living the way we were and wanted to be out of this as soon as possible should she not want to take the necessary steps to save our M. I had every intention of withdrawing the D should she come to her senses, and make a valid effort at working on the M for several months, not just days.
I realize it was a drastic move, but looking back I am glad I did it, because I am now 3 weeks closer to ending this M than I would be had I done a plan B instead.
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MIF,
Thanks for the response.
I went with plan D instead of plan B because I didn't think my WW had any intentions of giving up OM.
Does this strike you as a DJ on your part?
I couldn't keep living the way we were and wanted to be out of this as soon as possible should she not want to take the necessary steps to save our M.
You didn't feel like plan B would offer you the emotional protection you needed, is that right?
I realize it was a drastic move, but looking back I am glad I did it,
I personally think you're expecting results too quickly - it takes "longer" for an A to die than you're giving it, and it takes quite a while for the WS to get through withdrawal, too. I'm just hoping you're not rushing into something, and that you wont' look back and wish you'd had more patience.
On the other hand, YOU alone can decide what you can tolerate and what you cannot. You had every right to leave on D-day, and you didn't. In the end, you have to find peace with your own heart and conscience - that includes not being a door mat, and standing up for your sense of self worth.
Thank you for answering my question.
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Originally posted by turtlehead: Thanks for the response.
I went with plan D instead of plan B because I didn't think my WW had any intentions of giving up OM. Does this strike you as a DJ on your part? Sure, I would agree.
I couldn't keep living the way we were and wanted to be out of this as soon as possible should she not want to take the necessary steps to save our M. You didn't feel like plan B would offer you the emotional protection you needed, is that right? I felt plan B would only allow the A to thrive. With me not in the house, or WW not in the house it would have allowed the A to pick up steam.
I realize it was a drastic move, but looking back I am glad I did it, I personally think you're expecting results too quickly - it takes "longer" for an A to die than you're giving it, and it takes quite a while for the WS to get through withdrawal, too. I'm just hoping you're not rushing into something, and that you wont' look back and wish you'd had more patience.
On the other hand, YOU alone can decide what you can tolerate and what you cannot. You had every right to leave on D-day, and you didn't. In the end, you have to find peace with your own heart and conscience - that includes not being a door mat, and standing up for your sense of self worth. You may be right. It may take more time, and maybe I was a bit impatient. I felt I was patient enough for her to get rid of OM. After 4 false recoveries, I just couldn't take it any more. Each false recovery made me more angy than the previous. I felt exactly like a doormat. I felt like she knew I would get upset if she continued contact but I would keep saying ILY and tell her I want to save this M
Thank you for answering my question. You're welcome <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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MIF,
After 4 false recoveries, I just couldn't take it any more. Each false recovery made me more angy than the previous.
OH. I didn't know this part of your story <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
Now it all makes a lot more sense.
I wish I knew what to say but sometimes there just *isn't* anything to say.
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Yes, here is how it went... * DDay 9-22-04 * Confront WW 9-23-04 * WW sent NC email (under duress) after having me type it 9-23-04 * WW called OM 9-24-04 * Caught WW emailing "love letters" to OM talking how she thinks about the night they spent together all the time. How she wishes she met him 11 yrs ago (we've been married for 10) etc, etc * WW sent NC email on her own * Caught emailing a few days later. * WW wanted a few days to "get her head together" and decide what she wanted, ended up with OM in hotel for 2 nights.* said she told OM that she was done with him and she wanted to save M * Called OM 2 weeks later. I just can't take it any more. I feel she has no intentions of giving him up. She still is trying to convince me that he is just a friend, and nothing more. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> MIF <small>[ December 21, 2004, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: MIF? ]</small>
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well as I left for work last night WW said she wanted to talk. I asked her what about and she tells me she spoke to my SIL and she got some info she wanted clarification on. It basically turned out to WW telling me to "go f_ck your little waitress girlfriend." (she reads here and knows my user id/name) I told her I didn't have a little waitress girlfriend, she repeated to me to have me "go f_ck your little waitress girlfriend." I again told her I didn't have a girlfriend and reminded her that I didn't go on a date, didn't get a phone number she just told me to "go f_ck my little waitress girlfriend"
I then told her that she now knows how I felt these past months.
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