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Here’s my story.

My wife and I have been together 28 years, married for 20 with two beautiful children.
We never fought in 28 years, not even once. I never understood why until recently, my
wife is a “Conflict Avoider” at any cost.

Over 3 months ago my wife told me she was in an EA. She told me she had been looking
around at different men for about 8 months because she didn’t love me anymore and
wanted out of the marriage. She fell in love with this OM (most likely work related) and
she wanted to have sex with him. My wife said the OM didn’t know her true feelings
because she had never expressed her true feelings to him. She said he liked her and she
liked him (he’s the nicest guy in the world) and if the OM knew she was Divorced then he
would ask her out and they would then be a couple. She even told me he is not half as
handsome as me and he is chubby, ticked me off even more. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

Who knows what the hell the real truth is.

Since then many things have happened. Several fights, LB’s on both sides, etc... She told
me every single one of my faults going back to 1977. First she said she quit loving me 1
year ago, then 3 years ago, then 10 years, then 15, then she never loved me and wondered
why she even married me. Then she said our personalities don’t match. Tons and Tons of
FOG talk.

Our first MC told us we should get a divorce within 25 minutes of the only meeting we
ever had. The MC said your wife is NOT in love with you and she refuses to go through
counseling so I recommend you get a divorce. The next day my wife spoke to Steve
Harley, she liked SH a lot better. Steve explained to her about “Conditional Love vs
Unconditional Love.” He also talked about how people “Fall in love and out of love.”
My wife seemed like she bought into it. She has not talked to SH since, wants to wait
until after the holidays before any more talks about our marriage and her affair. I agreed, I
didn’t want to spoil what may possibly be the last holidays with her and our children as a
family. We have NOT said one word in 3 weeks about our relationship or her EA.

SH said I can’t Expose her because I have no proof she is in an actual EA and doing so
could be disastrous. She is suffering all the symptoms of being in an affair, SH said
Fantasy Affairs can be just as addictive as a real EA.

SH said I need to work on myself very hard, do Plan A and provide her with a Safety
Zone to talk.

However she still remained very depressed, crying, looking like hell, scared, alone,
confused, etc... She withdrew from me and is now at least talking, but very little. About
3 weeks ago she told me “I guess I have NO choice but to stay in this marriage because
you’ll never let me go.” I told her I didn’t want to spend the rest of my life in a “loveless
marriage,” either which I refuse to.

She lets me give her rubdowns nightly (although we sleep in separate rooms). No sex
since last July, no cuddling, kissing, nothing. I hug her several times a day but she just
stands there lifeless. We talk a little during the day but not more than 5-10 minutes. We
eat dinner together with the kids every night. The children have NO idea what is
happening and they will be devastated if we divorce, my kids think I’m the best dad in the
world (my wife agrees), just a terrible husband.

Then 2 weeks ago she called me from her cell phone crying uncontrollably. She said she
was Sorry for all the mean things she had said to me over the last 3 months and didn’t
know why she said them. She also said “How could you ever Trust me again after what I
did to you?”

Since then she has said very little but she still seems ticked off, withdrawn, etc... At first
she told me I couldn’t spend Xmas with her family, now she said I could.

My psychologist said my wife is most likely going through a mid-life crisis (46 next
month) and she is reevaluating everything including her marriage. In addition she is most
likely Pre-Menopause and this is effecting her judgement also.

When my wife comes home at 5:00 every night she is very happy playing with the
children, the minute I enter the room her attitude completely changes to stone faced.

Here are my questions.

Who am I to say she doesn’t love me? I asked this to SH and he said “Who would your
wife be better off with, you or OM?” I said obviously me but I’m biased.

What if she really is better off with this OM or someone else other than me?

How will I really know if we are Happy and in Love if we stay together? Both of us will
be 46 next month and 50 is just around the corner. I don’t want to spend another day
working on this marriage if there truly is NO chance. I would rather both of us move on
and find new spouses.

I don’t want to pressure her into more counseling with SH if she is just doing it to shut me
up (remember she is a Conflict Avoider).

I’m so confused. I want to stay in this marriage and both of us love each other with
passion but I’m not sure I can see that happening.

On the other hand I want to let her go and both of us be happy with someone else.

Please help, these holidays have me so confused.

Thanks

Andrew

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Hi TA,

You said:
"I don’t want to spend another day
working on this marriage if there truly is NO chance."

There is no chance unless YOU give it a chance.

Read Love Busters. Stop ALL LBs but focus on the 3 that are the worst for her.

Read His Needs/Her Needs and start filling her top 3 ENs--her top 3, not yours.

It sounds like you want a guarantee. This is the only guarantee I can see: If you don't start learning to be a better husband, you will have the same problems you have now in every relationship and marriage you have, whether that is with your current wife or other women.

What are the 3 worst LBs you do? What are you doing to eliminate those? How successful are you so far?

Remember, Love Busters DRAIN the Love Bank a lot faster than filling ENs fills it. Committing LBing behavior is like gouging another hole in the side of a swimming pool while trying to fill it with a garden hose. And if the Love Bank was low to begin with, well you get the picture.

Take care

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TA,

Just an aside here; but I think you can post anywhere you want. Saw what others said on Recovery, but honestly post where you're comfortable. Only the MODS can dictate what you can and can't do. The rest of us are only giving you our opinions!

Back to your question. In reality you're really really new to MB and the principles. Like most men you want to "fix things", and want them fixed NOW.

This stuff doesn't happen overnight, so I think you need to do just as SH says - work on yourself, and be determined to continue to avoid LBs making you a "safe" person for your wife to be with.

She and you both deserve a break during the holidays, it's stressful enough.

Another book you might find very good is by Dr. Harley called "Give & Take". It is the blueprint for healthy marriages. I think you'll see yourself in this book as your "Taker" is more or less in control of you.

There's some basics about Giver & Taker in the General Concepts of this website. But the book is an absolute must have...wouldn't hurt you to go ahead and get it and become familiar with its concepts!!

Relax, do as SH has told you...I can see you've lost some of your intensity, which is good - can you relax and have fun over the holidays?

<small>[ December 21, 2004, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: CSue ]</small>

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Thanks for the advice everyone. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I have done no LB's for one month now and I have done Plan A perfect, I am also proving a great Safety Zone for my wife.

Since I've done this she has been in a much better mood. Laughing again, eating better, looks much better (lost 10 years in the last month) and has been very nice to me.

I agree I am working very hard on myself. I done a 180 in 3 months, my wife agreed that she was surprised.

I guess your right, as long as I think there is a chance I need to fight on. Thanks for the great advice.

I've read HNHN, SAA, and I have LB's on my desk but I've yet to read it. I'll read it over the holidays. I will order those other books also.

I am used to "FIXING" things right away, I'm Type A personality. No Patience, but I'm learning the hard way. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />

I'm placing all my trust in SH and this board. I can't thank everyone enough. My wife would have filed for divorce if my psychologist hadn't recommended Dr Harleys books.

Thanks everyone

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Hi TA,

I wonder about this:
"I have done no LB's for one month now and I have done Plan A perfect"

If this is true, it is the FIRST time I have heard of anyone doing it. I have read threads where BSs give details of their progress in eliminating LBs and do an excellent job of it, but I have never read of a PERFECT LB elimination process.

Are you sure you've done NO LBs for one month? You said you haven't read the book yet. Are you sure you know what the top LBs are?

In a previous post, you mentioned that your wife's mood/attitude changes as soon as you walk into the room. That is not the typical reaction of a person who is not being Love Busted and who is getting their top ENs filled.

Or, it might be that your wife needs to experience some more time of absolutely no LB behavior from you and a perfect Plan A to trust that your change in attitude and behavior will be lasting.

Keep on eliminating LB behavior and filling her top ENs, and enjoy the holidays!

Take care

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Hi TA,
I was just wondering if it may be helpful for you to list your EN'S and her EN's here on these boards and what you are both doing in an effort to meet one another's needs? What have the outcomes been so far?

Just a thought.

Peace,
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LovingBoundaries:
<strong> Hi TA,

I wonder about this:
"I have done no LB's for one month now and I have done Plan A perfect"

If this is true, it is the FIRST time I have heard of anyone doing it. I have read threads where BSs give details of their progress in eliminating LBs and do an excellent job of it, but I have never read of a PERFECT LB elimination process.

Are you sure you've done NO LBs for one month? You said you haven't read the book yet. Are you sure you know what the top LBs are?

In a previous post, you mentioned that your wife's mood/attitude changes as soon as you walk into the room. That is not the typical reaction of a person who is not being Love Busted and who is getting their top ENs filled.

Or, it might be that your wife needs to experience some more time of absolutely no LB behavior from you and a perfect Plan A to trust that your change in attitude and behavior will be lasting.

Keep on eliminating LB behavior and filling her top ENs, and enjoy the holidays!

Take care </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe I shouldn't have said the word "Perfect" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />

Her attitude doesn't Completely change, but it is not as cheerful when I walk into the room. It's almost like she doesn't want me to see her happy.

I also believe she is also enjoying all this attention I am giving her and she may drag this on for quite some time. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

I've read SAA, HSHN and have read various chapters of LB's (just not from front to back).

For over 3 weeks now I have been extremely cordial, no negative comments whatsoever, no talk of our relationship or her affair whatsoever. She even told me I was being too nice to her and she didn't deserve it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

She said "How can you ever trust me again after what I did to you?"

I must be doing something right.

I truly believe she needs more time, she is very, very stubborn and when she doesn't like someone she elimimates them from her life. My wife is a Conflict Avoider at all cost.

SH spoke to her and he told me to work hard on myself, do a great Plan a and give her a Safety Zone so she may open up one day.

She won't tell me what her top needs are so I have to guess.

Patience, Patience, Patience... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />


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