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I hope someone can offer me some advise here.

My FWH and I have been M for almost 23 years (Jan 30). This past Sept he had an 8 week EA which lead to a one night PA. Once I found out he had NC with the OM (she called on his cell phone late one evening while we were sleeping). This is his second that I know about which has almost the same characteristics of the first one and that he owns up to. The first A was approx 8 weeks also about 3 years ago.

He is open to talking with me and tells me when asked the details I feel I need. He does not blame me and promises he will not let this happen again and to try to trust him on his words. Even with us working hard on our M, I am still having a hard time believing anything. I hope trust will come with time.

I do feel in my heart he loves me and wants our M to work. Yet, I feel I might never meet his EN's. We had gone to MC after the first A. But, I don't feel the MC really hit on our issues. She thought our problems were simply communication, which is partially correct, but I feel they went deeper.

My question is, how do I know if my FWH is being honest with me when he has "always" been a loving, warm, considerate, a very good father to our children, a great sexual partner and best friend to me before the A, during the A and after the A? I feel I was blindsided again and now have no idea when things are going wrong.

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hi,
i know exactly how you feel. my h was always the same with me. i never suspected a thing until it was staring me straight in the face. i guess i'm just fortunate (i think) that my h decided to be honest with me about his affair when i confronted him about it. he could have just denied it and i probably would have believed him. it is so hard to trust him again (my story is in general question under the heading "about my h's affair" if you want to read it. i always thought we had the perfect marriage, i'm still trying to work out where it all went wrong. i battle on each day. it is hard, i dont trust him, and i dont know if i ever fully will, but i love him and we want to stay together, so i will just live with this. some days are worse than others. you have to be really strong, hard i know, but necessary.
keep your chin up and good luck, you are not alone. coming to this forum is the best thing i have done for myself.
love & hugs,
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Did he tell you to Trust him after the first affair?

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He needs to restore your trust in him. Not his in you unless he has reason not to trust you.

The trust should have been missing and seems to be. Read His Needs/Her Needs By Dr. W. Harley.

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Rewill-I will read your post from day one...thank you.
TA- No, after the first A he told me he would "try" his best never to let it happen again, but he didn't promise or guarentee anything, that's when we went to MC.
Orchid-Yes, he is attempting daily to restore trust. He has no reason and has never mistrusted me. Says he may have "too much" trust in me.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by holiday:
<strong> .... Says he may have "too much" trust in me. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's fog babble. Now you need t/b able to recognize the babble vs the truth.

If he is trying to restore your trust in him, why are not you feeling reassured? Make sure you are putting the correct level of emphasis on his efforts and not giving him more credit than he deserves.

Don't spoil his recovery by spoiling him.

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Orchid-
I think that's the feeling...fog...
Sometimes it's lifted and I can see clearly...then it feels like it rolls back in.
He's told me he felt the PA was for a different sexaul experience, although he really can't figure out why he does it even when he knows if I found out it would hurt me so terribly.
We began dating when is was just about 18 and I was just turning 21. We have been together so many years without really experiencing the "other" sex. No excuse, due to our vows, but I understand what "lust" is.

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And Orchid, if you have the time, could you elaborate on "spoiling him", please? I have been such a "people pleaser" my whole life.
Thank you and thank you for your time.
Happy New Year!

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Read the book Giver/Taker by Dr. W. Harley. It outlines how may of us 'givers' are hopelessly locked into the 'giver syndrome' of sorts and can't break that endless cycle of having t/d for others at the expense of ourselves. That often even means our H's and children get the goods while we get the leftovers. Then the fog rolls in and the WS blames us for having the WS having an A because stupid comments like:

1. You neglected me.
2. You let yourself go.
3. You never cared for what I wanted t/d.....

I am a major giver. I could blame my mom and my culture but it is something only I can fix in me. For me recovery included doing less for the WS and even the for the H.

My family expected me to do all, all the time. NO gratitude except when prompted for the most part. Oh yea, they say they appreciate me.... when I am ready to walk out the door. Too little too late. I deserve to be appreciated. I tell them I appreciate when they do good things.... without being prompted. Why should I be treated any less?

So when the WS babbled and sometimes even when the H babbles, I remind him I can always do less and in some cases do so.

Spoiling the WS or H included cooking, cleaning, picking up after him, thinking ahead for him, ironing his clothes, paying his bills, preparing his favorite meanl, buying his favorite things.....etc. You want t/d these things but it's like eating candy and ice cream when you have the flu. When what you really need is hot chicken soup and orange juice.

The more I pulled back, the more I got appreciated.

When the WS moved out, he washed his own clothes, got his own meals and came home a sad, sick and depressed man. I was MAD at the OW and him. Why? Because previously the Ow e-mailed me saying 'she' was going to make him healthier, wealthier and better than he ever was with his family. Well what I got back was anything but what she 'promised'.

Still I had to maintain respect for me in my home. That is why plan B stayed in my back pocket. It is still here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> When H says something stupid even now, I remind him that is his choice...wouldn't recommend it but it is his choice to do the stupid thing. Often that is enough to bring him to his senses. I don't back down or take his blame. If that's one thing I learned from here it is that.

Hope this helps.

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Thank you Orchid.
My husband and I went to see "Closer" last night at the movies...boy, what a twisted life we all lead. My husband was in aw (splg?) by the movie. I think it hurt him to watch the hurt these characters were going through or placing upon each other...duh...
It makes me feel we really should never trust anyone completely.
We all tell stories to make ourselves or others feel better when needed or to get what we "think" we need.
I too will keep Plan/B in my back pocket. I have been living in a mix of A/B and for the majority of the time it feels good to me.
My motto has always been: Until the pain of remaining the same hurts more than the pain of change, people prefer to remain the same. I'm such a giver, but like you, I am going to relax a bit more these days. Wish me luck.
And again, thank you for all your wisdom.

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Relaxing does the body good. Better than milk!!! LOL!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Let them fend for themselves a bit. It might improve their characters. Also let them pamper you. I am sure you will turn into one of the spoiled W's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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