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FAA, I have been thinking about you and your DD. I wish you both the best. The hardest thing as a BM is to protect your children. Bless you Danielle
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FAA, I have followed your posts b/c you seem like a strong ,smart women i realy admire you & i'm shure you will do what is best for you & DD but after what WH did i have to feel sorry for what he has gotten him self in to!! Don't mess his stuff up "he could could make you pay in small claims court" hope you & DD have a wonderful new years day if your not to tired . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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FAA,
Good you have a plan. I am finding a slew of IT jobs on-line (at least it seems that way <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) where you can work from home but that is not my field of expertise. Let me know if you want those links.
I want you to know that I admire your strength and that of your daughter. Let us know how to help you.
BTW, I have used your experience in helping an MB dad see that our children can also be one of our best supporters. I appreciate how you have worked with yours.
All the best, L.
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Hi faa,
I will jump on the bandwagon here and say I support you too.Disappointing your DD that way was just plain mean and inappropriate and it sickens me even more that this OW didn't have any brains to make WH at least take care of her first since she is the innocent one here but it's not surprising that the OW would only be just as selfish.
I remember being disappointed by my Dad many times too as a young girl and well,we have a very superficial relationship now and my dad regrets it very much,but,too little too late.I have too many walls built up to let him in.He gets no pass from me.
Since I am way passed any recovery possibilities,I let my WH know now exactly what I think of his actions and of him.What does he do? Run away even more but I don't care.He is a monumental failure in my eyes now and I don't let him get away with his bad behavior without getting at least a small dose of a reality check on how his treatment of his family is appalling.If I were you,I would definitely tell your WH how disturbing what he did was but don't yell at him.He may be in that selfish fog but he does not deserve any protection.
Let us know how things go.
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Hi, Octobergirl. And everyone else. You all got me through a night that I can barely remember, I was so panicked and so angry.
It wasn't a complete disaster. But it was darn close! <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
I called the house when I was nearby. L, (my now ex-friend) answered. When I asked for WH, she said he was not there. I said I will be there in 5 minutes. When I drove up WH was outside having a smoke. He told me to go home. I told him I was here to take DD for breakfast as I had promised. WH said “she’s still sleeping" I said “I’ll wait". When I went to go inside, the door was locked! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
I was going to go around the house to the deck and knock there but that would have cause a huge scene. As I needed details, I wasn’t quite ready to do that. I called L on my cell. She wouldn’t answer. HMMM.
All this time WH is smirking at me. All proud and happy with himself. As if he had gotten something over on me. HE told me that DD did not want to go out with me. WTH?
So, I said I would wait right there. It was snowing and cold but it was under cover. I told him that he was unfit to be a father as he left his DD alone on New Year’s Eve while he was with the adulteress. And DD could not reach him. WH told me that DD was okay with all of that as she had talked to him. AND that I was the one panicking her. HUH? She called me! WH doesn’t think he did anything wrong. I asked him to answer one question. Did WH take OW to the Dragon Boat dinner. His response? “what if I did?†I said it was a Yes/No answer. His response? “what if I did?†He told me he had given DD the option of going to the dinner as there were lots of other kids there. I was furious. I said “DD would not go to the dinner because OW was there you a$$ You are giving her impossible choices. You are the adult. You cannot ask her to be either polite to OW. (Yes he told her if they “accidentally†meet, that DD must be polite to OW). DD knows that OW is helping to break up her family†WH said “only because you told her†WTH?
As he stood there smirking, I slowly walked up to him, thinking thank God I have no gun! I was in his face. Now he is 6’3†230lbs or so and I am 5’9†135 lbs so there is a bit of a difference in body mass. I asked him again about the Dragon Boat dinner. He said it was none of my business! I said we are still married you DF and it is my business.
Sigh. Then I punched him in the face. Sigh. A few times. Sigh. Now, I wasn’t expecting that of myself at all. I have NEVER hit anyone in my entire 53 years of life. I hate physical violence. WH took off his glasses and said “Hit me again so I can charge you†Good psychology. That stopped me. I grabbed his face between my 2 hands like I was going to kiss him and said “No, I won’t. NO matter how much you deserve to have you’re a$$ kicked†And walked to the car. I went to the hatch and opened it. I was on auto-pilot. I reached for a metal baseball bat. At that point sanity came back. Thank God! I was actually going to start swinging at WH. I said “No I won’t do that†I was really telling myself to get a grip. WH said “go aheadâ€. He didn’t know that I was talking about the bat. He thought I was going to go back and smack him again with my hands as he couldn’t see what was in the car. Sheesh! That was too close. I am embarrassed but not regretful. Not MB PC, I know. But, dam, I felt better.
I then sat and smoked a few more cigarettes and called L again only this time, I *67ed the phone. She answered. I said, “L, I am waiting outside the front door for DD, As WH has locked me out, I will wait here until she gets up.†L said "do you want me to wake her?" I said yes. (Do you see how this is adding up to the fact she is not my friend. As I write this long update, you will see other things that she said, and did, that make it plain that she is my enemy now. Feel free to tell me that I am too suspicious)
DD came down and WH said “Oh DD you are still tired, go back to bed†I said, "I will wait for you until you get up." I followed her through the door as she went back inside. When I got upstairs, I said Hello to L and her man.
They acted like nothing unusual had just occurred. I got myself some coffee and we chatted. When L and her man went outside to have a smoke, I came right out and asked them both if WH had brought OW to the Dragon Boat event. L’s response? “I didn’t see her. There were so many people there.†Now, I don’t know if you caught that. Let me explain. L’s response seems to indicate that she already knew what the OW looked like. HOw would she know that unless she has seen her before? She didn’t say that WH wasn’t with anyone. HHMMMM. Paranoia? I don’t think so.
Later, WH left for a while. I was going to pack his crap and throw it on OWs front lawn. But decided that was too much ammo for WH about my craziness. I spoke to L and asked her if it was time yet for WH to much out and deal with his issues by himself. Her response? “Oh, no. I told WH that he and DD can stay at least until the end of the school year†Now, I don’t know if y’all remember that I have had a suspicion all along that L has a crush on WH. WH has stayed there without paying rent for over a year!
I said, “Well, L you are enabling his behaviour. And that is not right. We are still married and he won’t deal with our issues while he has a place to hide. Things are going to get even uglier before they get better and this is not helping. And, I don’t want to drag you into this. But I will, if necessary.†(On top of that, DD is only there for 2 weeks. Then she will be with me!I didn't say that, out loud)
GGRRRR!. Anyway DD and I went to visit friends so we could speak on neutral ground away from the drama and prying ears and eyes. My friends offered to have DD stay there until I got there and then with me as I am staying with them until I find a place for us. (SIL also said she would take DD and make sure that WH only saw her for supervised visits.)
I asked DD about what WH had said about her being Okay with his “dating, etc†She was adamant that she had told him that she was NOT okay. And that was why she didn’t want to go to the Dragon Boat event. And that she had told him that she wanted him home with her on New Year’s Eve. UH DUH. I knew that but WH denies it still.
Well, I drove her back and WH and I talked for a few minutes. Then I went back home.
Lessons learned: 1. Never go to meet WH when you have a potential weapon in the car. 2. Take a friend if you think things could get ugly. 3. Never trust so-called friends. 4. Be on guard at all times. 5. Know your real friends. 6. Never, ever believe a WS. They are such liars and twist the truth to suit their self-absorbed needs. <small>[ January 02, 2005, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: fightingalone-again ]</small>
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Be careful not to let your emotions run the show.
Smart choices, not emotional outbursts. OK? (I also slugged my H in the jaw one time... and this was after he ended it with OW .... so I am not judging you .... just cautioning you. Settle down and THINK before you react.)
DOCUMENT everything... get your DD to a counselor ASAP!
What is your plan?
Pep <small>[ January 02, 2005, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: Pepperband ]</small>
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Hey Pep. Yes I am documenting everything. My thought. ANy text messages. Our conversations. Including times and dates.
DD does not want to go back to IC. But, once I am over there, I will insist that she go see one.
It is so weird. I have been analyzing our conversations. And I STILL get the feeling that WH wants me to stop his behaviour. AND att eh same time carry on.
WH has ALWAYS had a problem coming to decisions. THAT is why I KNOW he is with OW. He is incapable of doing this on his own. In the past, he has even said to me "Think for me. MAke up my mind" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
Just one of many reasons that I will go through counselling with him.
At this point, that is my Plan. Along with Plan A. That is a given. But, with all this military BS coming up, I will have to really be a pain in the a$$ to continue to pressure them to do anything aobut WH and OW being on the same ship. WH told me that he informed his CO of the PA. When I asked when he said before I put in my letter. BUt after I told him to inform them. HOwever, DD overheard him at Christmas saying he had to tell his CO when he got back to Victoria. SO, who knows?
So, things are still going to be very uncomfortable for a long time.
I found out that WH is going to have his own Dragon Boat team. I plan on joining along with DD. One of his ENs is recreational activities. So that will be an a positive. Shoot, I guess I had better tell him that now. I would hate for him to invite OW in on it. If he hasn't already.
I will go do that now.
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F-Again -
I have been praying for you and your daughter. It is very obvious why your daughter didn't go. Now you have found that your friend is not your friend - no doubt about that.
I've been involved in several friendships where there was infidelity going on - one was my brother-in-law. His wife started crying in church one day and told me he had an OW.
My WH and I talked to him and tried to talk him out of it. When he continued, we made it clear that his wife was part of our family and we would be supporting her in saving the marriage. We let him know that although he thought OW was wonderful, we didn't care to hear about her, or see her.
Their marriage survived, and is much better.
Your friend should have been proactive in supporting your marriage and family. She did not. At the very least she should have told your husband to find somewhere else to live if he was going to continue the affair.
I'm glad to didn't beat your husband more senseless than he already is. That would not be good at all.
Now try to calm down, and rest up for your plan.
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Thanks. I have been braced for the 2 bys. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I already hit myself quite a few times for losing it, though. That is so not me! I pride myself in being able to think rationally and use a plan to get what I need.
Instead, I got understanding. Thank you all!
Yes, I actually had a great sleep last night. I am resting up. I already sent an email to WH, to L and to DD saying I can hardly wait to be on WHs team. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
I am going to ignore Ls lack of support. Becasue I need to be involved and able to be at her house. That is an integral part of my plan. She doesn't need to know all my thoughts. I don't share them all with her. Just enough to gently warn her. But nothing threatening. She can be a great resource for finding out information.
I am sure that one of the reasons that she is supportive of WH, besides the fact she has a crush on him is BECAUSE SHE IS THE OW in her current R! I was there when she put the moves on her partner. UGHH! I told her at the time I thought it was wrong. Especially since her partner has been married 3x and was living with a co-worker of both of them. And me. YIKES! It was ugly.
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F-Again -
You are a stronger woman than I. My WH's relatives that supported his affair by making excuses for him, and entertaining OW are OUT of my life. We used to be great friends. Not anymore. I have no contact with them - they let me down when I needed help.
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Believer. DOn't get me wrong. MIL is on my "list" of enemies. FOr now. But, I can't destroy all ties because of DD. DD is the only granddaughter and MIL is VERY close to her. And, if by some strange twist of fate, WH and I work out some kind of treaty, I will still have to deal with her.
As far as L goes, I am following that old line. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
L has NO Idea about the depths of my suspicion and distrust. I am looking at this as part of my war campaign and I need to keep the "enemy" off guard. And right now, that includes L as well as WH and OW. So, a little honey, a little vinegar and LOTS of Reverse Babble. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <small>[ January 02, 2005, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: fightingalone-again ]</small>
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