Ok she wont admit anything, So im going to start to really get down to brass tax and prove it. I dont know if this is th proper fourm to ask this ( mods feel free to yank this post or delete) I dont have thousands to have her followed , I cant do it myself because of my work and scheduling. I have access to her cellphone online , but i thinks she knows it. It shows me all call messages etc, but will only tell me outbound numbers dialed, in bound call just show her number.
aside from that what are some of your best moves to catch a ww or wh , so i can get some evedence, she doesnt use email or a computer. ?????

anybody know of a cheap gps so i can track the car movements ??

thanks in advance

Look at radio shack. They have good recorders that can be hidden as well as devices that can record home phone calls.

Also, watch the mileage on the cars.

arptoronto" Hi.
A couple of things. If you have a computer, get some spyware. One of the top ones is spector or something like that. Another is her cell pay-as-you-go or regular? If it is regular, set up online access. Get an old bill and go online and register. You will be able to see ALL calls, in and out. (Just re-read your post and she doesn't use a pc? If she does, then it must be at work or in a cyber cafe, right? You don't have one? THey are cheap and would so help you -spyware, etc.)

Pay as you go is not as good. As you see only outgoing calls. But, consider switching it to a full cheap plan and then do the online thing. YOu can tell you wife it is a gift and cheaper to have a full plan. It is. Just don't share details.

GPS? Don't have any experience but I think Radio Shack has them.

Brace yourself.

You'll be hearing things that will cause excruciating pain -- and the words will be forever etched in your brain.

Good luck to you.

Okay...here goes.

There are GPS data loggers out there. The cheap ones are not connected to the cellular system. Which means once a week, you have to go under the car, remove it...and upload the info onto your computer. Then change the batteries and replace it.

Start with that. You can search the internet for ones like it and find the best prices. Once you have enough information (times and places that she goes), you will then be able to "catch" her. I mean, that let's say your GPS system shows that every Thursday, she goes to an address that you dont recognize. Well, then you can do two things. First, hire a PI to go there just to go there on that day, and at that time. That way you save money...and you may need the PI later when you go to court (if you are in a fault state like I am).

Second, then you show up there and catch them together. I did both the PI and catching her. I actually had friends and relaitves go there and catch her because I knew I probably wouldnt be able to control myself if I was there. Also, the best times for her to feel "safe" will be when you are occupied (work, out of town trip, etc). So, to have a few friends that can get the goods (pictures preferably), would be great.

There are also other techinical devices you can use...but many states do not allow their use. Phone recorders, small wireless cameras, hidden audio recording devices, etc. are relatively cheap on the internet. And even if they are illegal, you may be able to use them just to get the info you need to confront her. Or to plan on catching her in the act.

Ideally, you will need a PI to have the "official" stuff on her. He will be the one to be able to testify. By the time my wife knew about the PI and knew that she had been caught, she also knew that she had no wiggle room at all. That legally and morally, she was caught and there was no denying it or getting out from under it.

A few other things. Phone bills are great. Internet software to track her emails and internet use are great too. Also, dont be opposed to playing a little "poker" with her. What I mean is that sometimes, you may only have partial info. But by "bluffing," you can sometimes get more information that she thinks you had. What I mean by this is not lying or threatening. It means by having some information, by having the goods on her...then you can "bluff" and make her think that you really know everything. Which will make her think that she can talk freely, since you know everything. And then you can get much of the stuff that normally, you could never get.

But you have to get all of the info you can first. And once she knows that you know, you have to let the information out slowly. Dont tell her everything at once. That way, the first time, she will only admit to what you are telling her. But the next time you talk, you let out a little more. And she will admit to that. But by the third or fourth time, she will come to believe that you know EVERYTHING. And then she will tell you everything.

Hope that helps.

In His arms.

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