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I believe it's imperitive that you not communicate with him at all. Does blocking his mail send him an automated reply of some sort?
Just ignore him. Will he phone you? DO you have caller ID?
All this shattered glass and spider webs is why you need to get your H and possibly others involved. Your emotions may understandbly prevent you from making good decisions. You need some good heads involved that you can trust and who are reliable.
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Jewell,
How well do you know his wife? Do you have any contact info for her? Do you know her email address?
I'm thinking that after you tell your H, one of you should place a call to her at the hotel. That would be quite a vacation for the OM.
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blocking the email may send some sort of notice to the recipitant, but he will probably think that I have just decided to not talk to him , he has all of our phone numbers, but only my personal line at work and I dont have to answer that. I didnt want to get any emails from him because I didnt want to be tempted to open them , but I could just delete them without reading them
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I know his wife , she is very nice , but seems unhappy to me...she is spiritual...I feel sorry for her. she deserves better. they have been married for almost 50 years and he told me over and over that he has been at this a long time.
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So this OM is..... near or over 70? Hit man? Is he mafia? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
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Yes Orchid
He is 71 and so sweet looking.smiling all the time and acts like the nicest kindest man you would want to meet , even prays out loud in our group..... Just goes to show you , that you cant trust even the most innocent looking...
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They've been married nearly 50 years? How old is he?
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Orchid,
I dont know if he is Mafia. He has a Mafia hat that he wears sometime and he acts talks like he is mafia somtime and he goes on about all of his business dealings I thought he just liked to talk and make up stories at first , but I came to realize that he is sick. He says his wife knows nothing of his underground work..
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If he really is Mafia
I guess that means that I am in danger from
them also right?
At one point he wanted to introduce me to his hit man, but I said I didnt want to meet someone that I might have to kill. because I told him that if he harmed any of my family that I would go after them and it would not matter to me about my own safety... He evidently told his hit man because he said that he told him and his man was mad at him and he would not tell me anything else because he did not want to have to find another man. wow , cant believe I am in the middle of this..
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As I said before, real killers live in the dark and operate in the dark, and the last thing they want to do is expose their activities to anybody who is not a close and trusted confidant, and extra-maritallovers are almost never included in that group.
TMCM <small>[ January 21, 2005, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: T00MuchCoffeeMan ]</small>
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Thanks Coffeeman, that is a relief.
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Jewell, my heart absolutely goes out to you. I remember feeling exactly the way you do, scared to death. I was targeted and stalked by the OM months before speaking with him. He made torture (dismemberment)and death threats towards my H as well as terrorist threats against his out of state attorneys. He infered that he wanted one of my children for his own. He also threatend to tell my H if I didn't do what he wanted.
I was so confused, so ashamed and so deathly frightened that I complied. On top of everything else I have had to deal with shame for my actions even though I never wanted to do them in the first place. Please listen to the advice you are getting here, DON'T do what I did.
I placated him out of fear and that kept the "affair" going. It was only when my H found out that I was free. It took my brothers (one is a cop) and my H to back this guy off. It took exposure of his evil ways to keep him away. I'll be honest and tell you that this impacted my life negatively to the point where for over a year I didn't leave my house. I still seldom go out without H or someone else with me. I never go out without checking my mirrors and being observant. Crappy way to live but so far, so good. Out of sight, out of mind hopefully. Gee, can you tell I'm still afraid of him? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
If I had confessed early on to my H, most of the really bad stuff wouldn't have happened. I wouldn't have had to witness his scary, scary suicide attempt (gun), I wouldn't have been raped by him when I put my foot down about contact (in person, stupid me)...I wouldn't have known that he broke into a 50 year old woman's house and beat her up and there's way more. This is one scary, mentally ill guy who by looking at him appears as a handsome successful "nice guy." Appearances can be deceiveing, no?
I know you are afraid, who wouldn't be? You need help, you need a support team. H, pastor, police. Don't try to do it on your own. I thank God that you've found this forum b/c you're not going to have to walk through ANY of this alone. My H and I are fully recovered thanks to the things we learned on MB. (it has been over several years now) There is hope for your situation and much support for you here. {{{Jewell}}}
I'm not a techie but I thought that even when you empty the recycle bin, unless it's "shredded" by special software that has to be bought and installed the deleted items are still in the computer. You need those emails, no matter how embarrasing it may get. You were set up and unfortunatly unless you've had experience with true evil it is not recognizable when it's right in front of you.
There is a lot I'd like to say to you but this is long already. I have a great many links that may help you to understand predatory behavior and the ins and outs of why the victim remains or cooperates with their abuser. Your own personal recovery from this tragedy is important. He is an abuser, you already know this. Now it's time to stop being his victim, it is time for courage.
Enlist the help of your pastor, hopefully he's not a head in the sand kind of guy. Retrieve those emails, very important and seek your husband's forgiveness. I know that my H's heart turned towards me when he found out the REAL story. My fake story was only to keep him and our children safe (and if I'm honest with myself, to make me look like less of a fool) but my coverup totally blew any chance we had of recovering at the same time. Radical Honesty is your ONLY key to freedom and safety. KB
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Jewell, I may have missed the information, but how old are you, if you don't mind my asking? The reason I'm curious is this. . . if you are very young, or if you are a senior citizen yourself, he may feel that he can frighten you more easily.
This mafia hit-man thing sounds ridiculous and ludicrous to me, but I live in Texas. We don't get many mafia types out here -- they're scared of the cows, I guess. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
I'm with everyone else here. Complete honesty. PM
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Jewell,
I'm very glad that knewbetter posted her story to you because your situation reminded me of hers. But more importanly, please listen to her because she has gone through what you are going right now and can speak as to the wisdom of telling those closest to you and seeking their help. As she said, it was FEAR that made the situation worse and it wasn't until she faced her FEAR, confessed and sought help from her H and family, that her nightmare ended. I have no doubt that your nightmare will end the same if you follow in her footsteps.
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jewell - Perhaps you should NOT block his incoming e-mail messages since you have deleted all previous ones.
Laying awake in bed last night I wondered how your story will be received if you have no evidence. Pretty hard to believe - especially if others know this guy as a "harmless little old man who goes to church."
I'm not suggesting you reply to any messages, just consider allowing some to come in so you have SOME evidence. All the better if he incriminates himself through them.
What do you other MB'ers think?
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I think you raise a great point WAT. Concrete evidence is important b/c con artists can be very good at what they do. The last thing Jewell needs is to get into a "he said/she said" situation. The OM in my case was leaving some very frightening messages on our answering machine so it confirmed to my H that I wasn't exaggerating or lying about what had been going on. The truth can be stranger than fiction so hard evidence is going to be invaluable.
H also brought up the point that exposure must happen ASAP b/c if this guy has threatend to murder her in retaliation for exposure, the exposure itself may stop him b/c he would be the obvious prime suspect.
If there is no exposure to her H and the authorities, he could decide to kill her anyway b/c she won't be able to pull of a credible response to him. In other words her backing off may put her in more danger than if she exposed.
There are no easy answers here, this is this woman's LIFE we are talking about. I'm really glad to see so many thoughtful responses and care on this thread. KB
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Wat,
I suggested that a while back. Glad you agree. She needs proof, hard proof, undeniable proof. Especially if he is the con man she described him as. I suspect she isn't his 1st nor his last.... so he is probably good at this kind of thing. All the more reason to get solid proof.
Jewel, do you have contacts in law enforcement? Check out stuff with a PI and see what you find out. Do a background serach on this character. Chances are there are other things he has bullied besides ladies. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
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I read this all last night...
then saw an awful story on the news that made me think of this thread...
Is there an update...how are things going? I hope all is well and you are o.k.!
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