It's because there is something wrong with you. You are full of anger..or hatred. You are not forgiving, you are throwing stones. You are cynical. You are "not ready". You have low self esteem. You feel unloved and want others to feel the same. You are negative and have not reached the inevitable conclusion..when you have accepted this and progress to my level of enlightenment you will agree with me.

So climb aboard or step off, disagreement..even if cloaked in respectfull considerate discussion is still disagreement..see above, and is not welcome on a discussion board.

If everyone could just show me the care, consideration, and respect as I am showing you..the world would be a better place.

After all, disrespectfull judgements should never be tolerated.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Not 100% sure what your post is directly pertaining to, I'm not to bright, but I wanted to give you one of my... always remember that IT'S A GREAT DAY TO BE ALIVES!!!!!!!!!!! after all ever since your dream post you are my favorite poster <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Noodle,

Touche.

added to ky's thread

<small>[ January 25, 2005, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: star*fish ]</small>

Actually SF,

If you read the responses to NOWs post to me and to Thos you will see that this is not so..and I hold myself in the same category, which is why I posted this in the way that I did.

Noodle

Ah okay....makes more sense....I moved my comments to thos over to the other thread. Pardon the misunderstanding.

<small>[ January 25, 2005, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: star*fish ]</small>

Nah..but perhaps I should drag that post up here to add clarity?

I didn't think it was necessary because not everyone participated in the great Ky debate thread..relatively few actually..so I thought that most who read this would only read it as is without making a connection to a particular post.

What do you think?

Noodle

I think this topic is valuable apart from that thread....and so like you, I think it's better discussed in a general rather than specific way. After all, you're not really "targetting" an individual....just raising awareness about how it's okay to disagree....but not to disrespect people in cloaked barbs disquised as discussions. I can agree with that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Noodle - I am a bit confused too. I've read and participated in the KY thread, but didn't necessarily correlate this thread with that one...but, I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic with your original post, and honestly thinking that the opinions of others are wrong if they don't match yours...or are you trying to bring to light that everyone will not agree 100% with everything everyone says, and we should pull from it what applies to us, what we can chew on and digest, and spit out orleave the rest on our plates?

My thought, so you know where I stand...
Opinions are like arm pits - everybody's got a couple, and sometimes they stink, and some more than others.

It doesn't mean that your opinion is wrong because it doesn't match mine, it just means we are viewing the "thing" from different vantage points...this is what makes us unique - God made us all different...looks, attitudes, thoughts and opinions.


OK, and to be sure I clarify, I am only wondering about the tone you had intended for the original post...no judgement passed here, okay? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

YL,

My original post is riddled with..not so much sarcasm..as tongue in cheek. Some of it observatory..some of it admission of guilt.

The point is..that discussion and agreement are not mutually exclusive..and that disrespectfull judgement of another persons opinion will shut down any and all meaninfull dialogue that is not congratulatory.

And if that's what you're [nonspecific you btw] looking for..then you may as well monologue instead.

People take things personally, especially here. Maybe it's good practice for the real world to be able to negotiate opposing points of view without declaring war on the disagreeing party and their Momma <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> [as in..yo momma so..]

That's about it. No real outstanding insight to be had. Just a semi-sheepish acknowledgement and appeal.

Noodle

Coming out of my MB hiatis for a second to say -

AGREED! Communication skills -

1. communicating your thoughts and feelings in a manner which is respectful.

2. listening to and accepting the thoughts and feelings of others in a respectful manner.

3. HONORING (even welcoming) the differences.

I like to say nice things, I like to make people feel happy.

HOWEVER I will always speak my truth and hope that it is valued and respected by whom I am speaking to. And I will hope that they speak their truth to me, trusting that they are free to do so.

I am working so hard on being able to disagree in a way which will be productive.

A great time for this discussion on this board, I think.

WHEW!! Wiping the sweat from my brow! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

I was hoping that would be what you would say, but admit I wasn't totally sure.


Unfortunately, there are people in this world who do believe the things you said in the original post, which is why I considered holding my breath for your reply...matter of fact, it took me almost 7 years to realize that was why the "discussions" my H & I would have would get so heated...mostly because that's how he was reared...if you didn't share the same opinion, then your opinion was wrong...I still have yet to convince my M&FIL that people can disagree without it being wrong, but thank the Lord, my H now gets it, and is able to "check" his opinion and accept that sometimes we will differ, and it doesn't mean I am wrong, or he is wrong, but that maybe we now have a new way to view something, and (Hold on to your hat, an MB principle is being interjected here) we can learn to POJA to reach a suitable compromise to meet in the middle of our differing opinions.

SIGH!!! If only everybody got it...like LemmonMan's sig - some people just don't get it, and they don't get it that they don't get it!

OK, off to work, good day to you!

Noodle, I love to disagree with you, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> and when I do, I hope you always find it respectful. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I sure hope you didn't feel I did disrespect you on my thread, not my intentions at all. I'll have to go back and read it. I'm very thought out, believe it or not.

RWW- KY

Ky,

No, the only reason that your thread is mentioned is because SF responded to a post by Thos thinking that there was a direct link between the two. She later moved it onto your thread.

There isn't although that thread and several others of late have been so ladden with DJs that you really have to get out the BIG shovel to make your way through, and THAT phenomenon is what prompted me to write this.

As I said..it's not personal..just food for thought.


Noodle