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Affairs are NASTY. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

Poor kid got Killed because his Mother had an affair. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Now remember this killing was not the OWs fault, right? That's what some would think.

IMHO the killings of both OW, the unborn fetus and her 7 year old son are the fault of both the WS and OW. That is what Affairs can do. The fact that this doesn't happen more often doesn't make it less offensive.

How sad that innocent ones like those children have to suffer. The selfishness and greed of the OW and WS spills into the lives of others.

The fights which ensue between the OP and WS' over the A make both parties guilty. Even for the injured one.

She was not a good mother for allowing herself to put her child's life in jeporady as such.

Think about those who post that the WS is a good parent yet still a WS. Is that really possible?

L.

Well, I say that a murder is always the fault of the person who pulls the trigger.

dewt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by dewt:
<strong> Well, I say that a murder is always the fault of the person who pulls the trigger.

dewt </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Dewt, the murderer is the one who did the actual killing, I said the 'fault' belonged to both. Why? Because if there was no A, at least these deaths would not have happened.

The OW paid with her life but she did not have the right to drag her child and unborn fetus into it. The fact that she was having an A and probably making demands putting on the 'straw that broke the camel's back' makes her part of this awful crime.

Too often only 1 person is singled out as the perpetrator, yet those who contributed to the situation making the crime happen often go unpunished.

Don't get me wrong. The WS is guilty of murder. Killing an OP is wrong. Killing other victims who were innocent in the A mess magnifies the crime.

What I am saying is the OW is not guilt free in this crime. However, in this case she paid with her life and that of her children. A foolish woman.

L.

<small>[ February 22, 2005, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: Orchid ]</small>

I agree with Orchid. The WS is responsible for the mess. Did not deserve to be murdered but think of what the WS does to the BS and family. And for what? I have never understood because I have always walked away from oppurtunities to cheat. I hope I never become a WS.

Has he been found guilty yet, or is he just the prime suspect?

It looks bad for him, but unless he has confessed or been conviced, he is still just an accused man.

T

EDIT: Nevermind, I read an earlier story where he was just being held. It seems he's shared some of the details of how he killed them.

I'm glad he's in TX <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

T

<small>[ February 22, 2005, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: javaSansContour ]</small>

Orchid,
I can understand a severe hatred for a WS and OP, but I am sorry if I can't agree with the idea of "they got what they deserved and they brought it on themeselves"

Call me shortsighted and callous, but I really can't justify death as penance or deserved punishment for an affair. Maybe you wish they were dead for destroying you. Maybe one's pain justifies such a tragic agreement.

You see, as the BS, you get the opportunity to heal. To move on. It is there for you to grasp.

This OW, who is really just a person, no longer has opportunity for anything. Ever.

<small>[ February 22, 2005, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: patriot92 ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by javaSansContour:
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EDIT: Nevermind, I read an earlier story where he was just being held. It seems he's shared some of the details of how he killed them.

I'm glad he's in TX <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

T </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We Texans have it all under control! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> The boy is going down!

No one deserves t/b killed. In ancient times however punishment for adultery in some countries was punishable by stoning to death.

I didn't say they got what they deserved. I am saying the WS and OP brought this upon themselves but no one deserves to be killed.

Of course most WS and OPs don't take it to this extreme, but what is stopping them from doing so?

L.

Say Patriot,

Just out of curiosity, what makes you say that the affairees do not deserve to die for their crimes?

Are you opposed to capital punishment in general..or perhaps you view adultery as a lesser crime?

Noodle

This is sad but a graphic display of the possible repercussions of an affair and how it can literally destroy the lives of innocent beings.

It is not the drug dealers “fault” that he was killed in a “rip-off”. It is not the gangster’s fault they were shot to death by a rival gang. It is not the prostitutes “fault” that she was raped and killed by a john, but if you’re not a drug dealer, a gangster or a prostitute, you likely would be alive.

In this instance a mother has dragged her own son into a vile, ugly immoral mess where the worst nightmare is realized. My heart goes out to the relatives of this child. How many people were hurt by a situation that, at the very least, started out as an emotional/sexual indulgence. Even the police have to now wade through the gore and witness the lifeless body of a child that can wreck havoc for them at night and for their relationships with their families. The echoes of an affair……

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by noodle:
<strong> Say Patriot,

Just out of curiosity, what makes you say that the affairees do not deserve to die for their crimes?

Are you opposed to capital punishment in general..or perhaps you view adultery as a lesser crime?

Noodle </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I believe the punishment should be equal to or less than the extent of the crime.

Kind of like an eye for an eye or something less than an eye.

Example: If you murder someone, then your punishment can be as extreme as death or something less, like life in prison without parole.

I don't think every situation warrants like punishment. If you murder someone, I don't believe that forces you to face the death penalty. I believe, however, the punishment should be as fair as possible and contain a rehabilitation aspect, if possible.(just like some marriages can not avoid divorce, some criminals can not be rehabilitated)

It is widely accepted that most crimes require time to be served and this would equate to the "less than an eye". I do think that is just and civil. For the abuse of freedoms, I agree with freedom being taken away. How barbaric a society would we be living in if rapists were raped, robbers were robbed and so on. That is not the society I want to live in.

As far as your questions. In terms of crimes, yes, I do see infidelity as lower on the
"crime totem" than murder. I do believe Capital Punishment has its place in the justice system.

As far as sins go, they are all the same in the eyes of God as far as I understand it. They are sins, and they can be washed away if one turns away and repents from it.

<small>[ February 22, 2005, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: patriot92 ]</small>

Patriot,

I think perhaps the word "deserved" is the clincher. As if..were it not to have resolved itself..the state need step in.

In that ..we agree. I certainly would not want my H put to death.[Although..as you are not actually guilty of adultery..you're off the hook <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ]

However..if you change the wording and say..what have they earned ..this WS and OW..what have they sought and wrought?

The answer..is sickness, death, misery, and destruction.

And that is precisely what they got.

Innocent people are ALWAYS harmed and, yes, killed where evil thrives. Sad but true.

Noodle

I didn't think he was married when he was with this woman...I read that he was dating both woman then married the other one...not knowing that his other girlfriend was pregnant before he married...soooo, if that is the truth, then technically it is not an affair...unless you accuse BOTH woman of cheating with the same man! I dont know...that is just what i read...that he wasn't married when she got pregnant! Which by NO MEANS makes it right that he murdered her...but it may just clarify the AFFAIR part up!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by noodle:
<strong> Say Patriot,

Just out of curiosity, what makes you say that the affairees do not deserve to die for their crimes?

Are you opposed to capital punishment in general..or perhaps you view adultery as a lesser crime?

Noodle </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Justice and punishment should be based on the severity of the crime. Adultery, while emotionally painful, does not warrant any form of jail time nor capital punishment.

This does not abdicate the WS from any responsibility for the outcome. One cannot play with matches and then claim they are not responsible for being set on fire. One can believe that "ideologically" they should be able to walk with safety in all areas, but "realistically" one cannot claim no responsibility for being robbed and stabbed, if they walk through areas that they know to be crime prone.

With all actions there are potential consequences, even if the consequences are remote and/or illegal. Nonetheless they are consequences which YOU suffer.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by micro2000:
<strong> [QUOTE]Originally posted by noodle:
<strong> Say Patriot,

Just out of curiosity, what makes you say that the affairees do not deserve to die for their crimes?

Are you opposed to capital punishment in general..or perhaps you view adultery as a lesser crime?

Noodle </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Justice and punishment should be based on the severity of the crime. Adultery, while emotionally painful, does not warrant any form of jail time nor capital punishment.

You say that with such authority, such conviction. It certainly has warranted such in the past..and presently in other areas of the world. If you steal my car..you'll see the inside of a jail..if you unravel my home..I guess I wipe my tears and hope for better days? Honestly, I agree with you..but your statement lacks..argument.

This does not abdicate the WS from any responsibility for the outcome.

Agree

One cannot play with matches and then claim they are not responsible for being set on fire.

Agree

One can believe that "ideologically" they should be able to walk with safety in all areas,

It would depend on the ideology..

but "realistically" one cannot claim no responsibility for being robbed and stabbed, if they walk through areas that they know to be crime prone.

Agree

With all actions there are potential consequences, even if the consequences are remote and/or illegal. Nonetheless they are consequences which YOU suffer. </strong>[/QUOTE

Agree

Noodle

From the chronology I've seen, he wasn't married when he was dating Lisa. The fact that he was stringing two women along at the same time reflects on him, but he wasn't married when Lisa got pregnant. He married someone else in December; news reports on Saturday said that she had been seeing someone last fall, but nobody had seen him around the bagel shop lately - which after today's news, would tell me that Lisa possibly didn't want to be with him when he married another woman...

Who knows... He'll probably try to paint Lisa as deranged, about to ruin his life so that he has some sort of less than premeditated reasonable doubt defense with the jury...

Stephen Dale Barbee, 37, admitted arguing with Underwood over leaving his wife, according to court papers. Barbee allegedly said he suffocated Underwood, then did the same to the boy after he interrupted the attack.

And in the long run ladies and gentlemen we have a woman dead, 2 children dead, one at the hands of her own suopposed father (the 7 month unborn child), a man whose BW no doubt nows about the affair he killed to covered up her life will never ever be the same. And then we have a man who killed 3 people with his bare hands. His life is over, even if our Texas court system does not give him the death sentenance I promise you he will not live long in the general population.

And for what ????????

No one deserves to die this way. No one deserves the hell this man's wife is no doubt living through tonight. As for him, well no pity here. I can see someone snapping, but to turn around and kill a seven year old child because he caught you killing his mommy ? And what about the fact this woman who was killed was carrying this bozo's child ?

I really pray they don't try him in Harris county and if they do, that I am not called to serve on that jury. I just couldn't be impartial unless impartial means I get to show up with a rope and point out all the tall tress in Herman park.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
Innocent people are ALWAYS harmed and, yes, killed where evil thrives. Sad but true.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree with you.

However, I am uneasy in the fact that lost in the flowing of ideas is the tragedy of this OW and her children being murdered. Or rather, the fact that the status 'tragedy' is reserved for the children and the OW seems to be brushed under the rug by simply being an OW. Earned her fate as it were, and therefore gains at best silent exemption from the discussion. At worst, what she deserved.

A woman and her children are dead, and THAT is a tragedy.