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I posted a similar topic with a somewhat confusing subject.

Can someone please comment on moving from dependent to interdependent? My WW echos many of comments that Sally does in the article, and my position is very similar to Greg. However, the resolution escapes me.

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5055_qa.html

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From what I understand of Harleys article is to first eliminate LB's, identify and start to meet each others EN's and to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement.

Add the Policy of Radical Honesty in there and you basically have MB's concept of a great marriage. Which would be what happens when a couple is interdependent and not dependent. Depency causes feelings of control, and brings out issues of control.

Is it the POJA that has you stumped?

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I see it as a partnership. It was stated that she had to account for every penny. I know I could not do that. She felt he was controlling her. Instead of a partenrship. She lost all sense of independence.

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Well, I am reading and learing about the POJA and LBs. For the most part we have never had a problem with LBs. On occassion I'd come across as if I were minimizing her importance, and she'd call me on it.

Now the POJA is something we've not discussed, and one that will/would be a bit tougher. I have zero problems with it, but she's very much an independent person and would see this as keeping her tied down. (As applies to things like shopping and going out with the girls)

We still don't have an NC agreement, as they are "just friends" and "I don't want you to NC all of my male friends".

It hasn't been long since DDay, but I'm trying to educate myself. I just got Not Just Friends in the mail today.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I just got Not Just Friends in the mail today. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That book will help you clarify your position .... good for you!

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> she's very much an independent person and would see this as keeping her tied down. (As applies to things like shopping and going out with the girls)
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I kind of like Dr Phil's common sense approach to this. He asks the wife, "On a scale of 1 to 10 how badly do you want to do X?" (whatever it is, buy something, go somehwere, whatever)
She might say, "10".
Then he asks the husband, "Now on a scale of 1 to 10 how badly do you NOT want her to do X?"
And if he says 1 or 2 then she can probably go ahead and do X without causing resentment. But if he says, 8 or 9, then they have a problem that they need to discuss further and try to come to a solution.

If your wife is like mine used to be, she resents even having to discuss this with you. She feels like her independence is her identity. At some point, hopefully she will realize that the choice is very clear; she will have to choose between being independent, also known as "single", and a happy marriage. Happy marriages are composed of interdependent partners, not independent. I believe that my wife does understand this now as we seem to discuss decisions more than we did when we were first married.

Also, "independence" is a word that WWs use a great deal. Once the A is over, that word is not used so often.

<small>[ February 23, 2005, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: legato ]</small>


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