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#1281385 02/23/05 07:00 PM
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Got off the phone with MIL....WW was at her place this afternoon....said to her that she does not want a divorce now....wants to go to counselling with me.

7 mos. of a strong plan B, now i don't know if I want what I've been looking for......maybe I've already found it.

I gotta go, I'll add more later.

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wow

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

#1281387 02/23/05 07:13 PM
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stay true to who you are, and what you want. If you have moved to far away to come back, then think about that before you try to recomit to something that is not in your heart to fulfill- less pain that way.

Good for you- I will be thinking of you!

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Binder,

Double wow!!!

It appears that Plan B is working as designed, you are questioning your desire to return to a M that you have adjusted out of your life. Without Plan B it would have hasta la vista baby. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

#1281389 02/23/05 07:18 PM
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It's hard to hold your ground, and still be open at the same time.

No matter where this goes, it won't be easy emotionally.

Remember to tell her that even talking is conditional on NC.

I don't know why I said that, I can't imagine you forgetting.

Sometimes words aren't enough, wish we could help more.

SS

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Wow and wow!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

#1281391 02/23/05 09:13 PM
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This must be a dance of your choosing.

Welcome to the driver's seat!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

tell tell tell ... what's going on?

Pep

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Binder ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I know what your feeling ... almost like a buyers remorse.

Now that it might be happening, you are thinking do you really want it anymore. And if you do, you certainly don't want it the way it was. Changes have to be made, boundries have to be set.

Expect your WW to resist them. And also expect the feelings you are going to have if she does resist them.

Good luck to you Binder. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

#1281393 02/23/05 09:45 PM
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Binder,

I know you are a man of action. MB does that to the BS guys (& gals but in a more femimine way for the gals <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ).

So watch for the actions. Right now talk is cheap. Definitely interesting but cheap.

Don't look too anxious. Ok? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Glad to see her talking though. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

L.

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WOW , congrats, i think??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

#1281395 02/23/05 10:05 PM
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Ok....I'm back,

Greegan....I know, I knew this long distance relationship with Dr. Egomaniac was destined for the basement of the outhouse, but this is out of left field. She has not once, in 14 mos. indicated that she wanted anything but out.

KMEJ, appreciate the sentiment, but it's not just about me. My tornadoes factor into this. I would not deny them an intact family to prevent my own pain. Heck, I'd die and kill for them in a heartbeat; I certainly will examine the opportunity if it is seriously tendered. I would prevent the pain they would have to endure in regards to observing their parents embark on a futile reconciliation however. That is where my concern now lies.

I'd like to say this would be a no brainer without kids, but I never thought I'd be here with an unfaithful spouse with kids. I cannot therefore assume I'd be divorcing within a reality I'll never have to consider.

Cymanca,

Yes I've largely made the adjustment and it really would be so much easier to embark upon a perpetual plan B. Actually I planned on letting her Email and text message me upon divorce, but regardless, I'm reasonably comfortable in my new life.

The pragmatic side of me, and I know this will sound callous, would also question a reconciliation. I exploited her guilt and desire to get half the equity from our house to get her to sign a separation agreement that favours me. I now pay a relatively small amount of child support, no spousal support, have my children at home every weekend, she left my pension alone and she is holding 45K of debt for me interest free for 6 years so I can keep my cabin in the mountains. If we reconcile for 90 days or more, that agreement is void. It's a far sight better than a judge would have awarded me, and I doubt she would relinquish her children every weekend after having a taste of it especially if she no longer has flyboy pick her up in his airplane to go to his city on the weekends. I knew the agreement was going to be an issue if she wanted back in, I'd be gambling it.

I'm not sure if plan B has done anything for her that time wouldn't have accomplished anyways. It sure has been good for me though, I need a plan when in uncharted territory and this was perfect. I have scraped the vestiges of my dignity together in a little pile and guarded it jealously in plan B. Without MB I was the proverbial ship without a rudder.


still seeking you expatriate you,

Yes, I won't allow a meeting without the NC. Unbeknownst to her, I still have her password to her work Email account so checking on that will be routine if she's serious. Just e question on the logistics, do I insist on the no contact prior to any meeting and the letter of NC once (if) we meet?

Thankfully my employer pays for any MC or IC we may need.....oh boy, will we need it.

Zizzy....I know, I know....wacky.

MIL further expanded on WW's concern that I haven’t changed. OK....me thinks both of us would have to exhibit change. I was pretty clear to MIL that I need to see some concrete action prior to considering reconciliation.

She further went on to describe WW's description of OM being "short" with her and assuring WW that he is "teachable". Obviously the fantasy has begun to erode under the pressures of reality.

She also admitted to MIL that she is impulsive. Geeee....ya think!!

Pep,

So far nothing really going on. She may have emailed my buddy requesting to meet me, but I've not heard that. I'm in no rush though...can't really say I feel something that I would call happiness right now....hmmmmm.

If this works out, and I get her to post here.....please.....please.....what I said before.

(It's been almost 16 months and I don't tend a garden in an orange bath robe.)

TJ,

I watched your situation eagerly trying to put myself in your shoes and trying to anticipate my responses to this very situation. I still don't know what to do other than wait and see. I think less is more right now. I hope I can glean some insight from you.

Orchid,

I will not seem too anxious.....cuz I'm really not. I will watch......she is so prideful she will be reluctant to say she screwed up. I get the sense that she still feels this was my entire fault and the only change has to come from me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Dalson,

A little premature…..we must be related.


So here I sit listening to some Lucinda Williams….I wish I smoked, now would be the perfect time. I still drink however, excuse me, I must visit the cabinet now.

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And I thought snow on Christmas in Louisiana was surprising.....

I know you'd described your WW as stubborn and prideful. I certainly can relate to that.

To see her turn around is ...uhhh...shocking.

I know this has to be quite a bit for you to process. Perhaps reviewing your PBL may not be a bad thing to do.

And watch. And listen.

Best wishes and prayers, canuck....

Ethan

#1281397 02/23/05 11:27 PM
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Binder -

In my time here I have seen a lot of turn arounds and marriages saved, even when it seemed hopeless.

I would be watching her actions. When you speak to her, tell her that you always hoped to save the marriage. Take your time though. There is no hurry to do ANYTHING.

#1281398 02/23/05 11:35 PM
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Binder,

I ..the perpetually suspicious <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> would say that YAY this sounds interesting..but WHOA slow up and Take Your Time..to such an extreme..that to consider your deal a wager worth keeping would be ridiculous.

Time! Plenty of it. Don't let her in too fast or too easy.

Can you have a NEW plan drawn up? Soething more susbstantial?

Noodle

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Just e question on the logistics, do I insist on the no contact prior to any meeting and the letter of NC once (if) we meet?

Remember......you can do WHAT EVER YOU WANT.

I'm not an expert, but in my mind, there is no reason to see her if she is still contacting him.

All the sample lines that come to my head are harsh - "I would be glad to meet with you as soon as you can prove to me that you are not in contact with him, and will never contact him again. Proof would include e-mail passwords, access to phone records, and a NC letter that I will help you draft, and mail, if you would like to collaborate with me do it."

I know there are nicer ways, but after all that has gone down, I don't know if I could use one of them. Probably just to see if she was serious.

If as you say, she is still blaming you, and if getting back together would be a strain, not a relief, I would explore your feelings some more before you say anything. That's even if she does contact your friend.

You could just say it was a supprise, and you are thinking, and will get back to her.

I suppose I worry more about your feeligs now than any one else's. At the same time, you are thinking about what it would mean to the kids.

We get all excited, but the bottom line is that we get to wait some more and see if this is for real. Just be thinking about what you will say if it is.

And.......try to get some work done too, would you?


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<small>[ February 23, 2005, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: still seeking ]</small>

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Wow! You certainly have some big decisions ahead of you. Make sure you take your time. There is no need to rush.

14 months eh? Wow!

Any idea what made her see the light(house)?

Did I happen to mention... Wow! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Miker

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Hi Binder,

Hmmm.Wonder what happened.

Waiting and watching with grand curiosity.Keep us posted!

O

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Thanks for the support...never a dull moment. And by the way....shouldn't the C in Canuck be capitalized?

Believer my old friend,

Oh I'll be watching alright...I think she has a way to go yet and I'm more than prepared to be divorced. I even went to the mandatory "parenting after separation" class mandated by the court prior to granting a divorce. I have all my ducks in a row to walk that path.

Noodle,

I'm a cynic and very very suspicious of motives. I feel I may be simply observing her frantically looking for a quick fix to her present situation that she finds distasteful. Now I'm the OM, so to speak, an instant sanctuary. I would like to see some introspection on her part, a plan even on how she thinks things can be fixed. I have no doubt the reconciliation will have some ugly ugly moments. I'd like to see a sense of fortitude in her that would convince me she can do the work required. It's contrary to her nature.

BTW... I will need the insight and analysis folks like you provide to see that which I cannot. I am skilled in my craft, but I was born handicapped...no right brain.

SS,

I like that approach...I cannot waffle here if she raises the white flag. That would simply be the first step. I will not return to a marriage where she stays in the employ of her present agency. OM is well connected there and she makes frequent out of town trips. If she waffles on no contact, she will refuse to quit her present job. BTW she has lots of irons in the fire and is very employable. With our combined assets, money isn't a big issue regardless.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> And.......try to get some work done too, would you?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Amen

Miker,

Heck...nothing I did as far as I can see...patience mostly. This whole episode is an aberration for her, not a lifestyle so I was fairly confident it would end, eventually. Having said that, as stated prior, I am prepared to walk away.

O,

Yes...curious...I'm going to do a whole lot of "watch and see" right now. Heck, I've waited this long...

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This could be good news. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I'm happy for you.

Keep your eyes open. But I hope this is what you have been wishing for.

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TTSi,

Every time I try to pronounce your screen name, I get spit all over the computer.

Thanks for stopping in, I don't know what to wish for now...wisdom perhaps.

I'm going to bed...this week should be interesting one.

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