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I am the WW w/OMC I have been doing the whole back and forth with the H for almost 7 years now. It has been extremely ugly on both sides and emotionally draining for all involved. I have been without my 2 boys that H has for 6 years. Only having spent 1 weekend with them alone. I have been unable to get through to H on seeing my boys and scheduling a time table. These last few months have been very bad. Last night I finally got through to him and he again had a tone to his voice. I knew he wanted to fight the moment the conversation started, I should have just hung up the phone. It had taken me days to get through I was a little nervous about what was going to be said. It went into a match about who could degrade who the worst. H won hands down. He seemed to find enjoyment with the things he was telling me. End of the conversation was basically I don’t want you to be the boy’s mom anymore. I may change my mind in the future but for now, I want you to stay away. I tried the whole pleading with H’s family members only to get the same result. I for my own well being have to walk away from this. I can no longer live listening to the vile that spews from H’s mouth. I can no longer sit and listen to him call me a baby killer, whore, c*** A worthless mother, a skank. I have heard the last of what he has to say. I can't do it guys. I am terrified to face him in court. <small>[ March 15, 2005, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: lucidity ]</small>
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Why does he feel you shouldn't be around the boys? What reasons does he give?
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<small>[ March 15, 2005, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Faith1 ]</small>
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lucidity,
They will not allow him to do that to you in court. There will be no namecalling - just factual presentations.
I really have no experience with this, but I think the longer things go on as they are, the harder it will be to get visitation. The court is supposed to consider "the best interest of the child" and this often means keeping things the way they are. But most courts want both parents to be involved - so I think you will get something - which is more than you have now. Your H is bullying you. That will not go over well with the court.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I have been without my 2 boys that H has for 6 years. Only having spent 1 weekend with them alone. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I for my own well being have to walk away from this. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I am terrified to face him in court. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">WOW, one weekend in 6 years? First off, I will say that yes, Empty is doing something terrible, which he will later regret when his boys resent him for it by keeping them away from their mother. Then again, there could be more to the story, as there are times that it could be in the children's best interest not to see a parent. I only know what you share.
LostHusband has tried to give you encouraging advice and we have even talked about your situation (or what little we know of it) off the boards. As a mother, I just can't get past one thing. These are your CHILDREN. I would think that the prospect of not seeing them more than a handful of times for 6 years and then being completely ousted as their mother my their father would be FAR for terrifying than facing him in court.
What are you afraid of? Your reputation being dragged through the mud? Embarrasment? Feeling degraded? 1. Any of those things are worth the chance to see your children. ANYTHING is. What are you going to tell them when they rae grown and ask why you didn't see them? That you were scared to face court? Ouch. 2. Having all your past misdeeds drug into the public eye and thrown in your face would be miserable, no doubt. But they were your actions. LH made some big mistakes that he has had to face publicly as well, and it's no fun. But there are consequences that you have to just face in order to do what's right (see your children).
Lucidity, please do not answer people with "but you don't know how terrible Empty was/is. You don't know what drove me to it, you don't know what he's like and how he degrades me, etc. Those things may be the facts, and if so, then they are what they are. That's what you have to work with. So what do YOU do? Sit back and let him damage you and the boys (if that's what he's doing)? Or take some action? Stop talking to him about it, that obviously gets you nowhere. Talk to a lawyer instead.
Now, you may have some serious problems getting a lot of sympathy from the system being that it has been 6 years. They may see that as abandonment. But if you can prove Empty had the means to keep them from you, maybe there's a chance. Had you fought it in the beginning, there's no way this ever would have gotten so bad - they just don't keep moms away form their kids unless there is a SERIOUS reason.
And even now, I doubt they would deny you visitation. For not a lot of money you can go through a mediator and get a visitation schedule worked out and decide on set times, places, and travel expenses.
Lucidity, I don't know your situation because I only have the info you give us, but it seems that you have dug yourself into a big hole, allowing Empty to help you dig it and now the only possiblr way out it so start climbing. Looking up from the bottom and wishing Empty would stop digging insn't going to get you anywhere but further down and eventually buried. You have to start yelling out to others who can help and you've got to start CLIMBING. I have heard of people who survive all kinds of trauma with the thought of hetting to their children, maybe you can do the same.
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lucidity..
so what..quit giving him any power of you so what so ever...
gosh you can't even say let him call you every name in the book..cause it sounds like he's already tried that..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
he should be ashamed...because the great irony that he does not grasp .... is that you YOU Lucidity have worked on yourself... have come to terms of who you used to be who you are becoming and where you would like to go...
thing is you gotta face him to get contact with your children...
you have NO choice... you can not abandon your sons...cause DAD calls and says terrible things....
quit pleading quit asking him.. go the total legal route..
document all phone calls... record his vitriole if you can....
gather documents... and fight this in the courts.....
you are not the worst person in the world lucidity...
don't cave to this.. expect him to give you nothing..from visitation to compassion.... and work around the mountain that he is...
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and most importantly quit with the excuses...yesterday it was money today it's he says mean things...
I don't doubt these obstacles...I doubt that you are as weak as you have your self believing..
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Know nothing about your sitch; but as a BS with kids; I can understand how and why H is this way. Not saying I agree; but certainly - I understand. A's are emotionally tragic to so many and your H may be one who is forever damaged by the A.
My suggestion to you: Be the better person and forever more, say you are sorry for the pain you inflicted. (You can only be accountable for your actions.) Even when H won't listen and calls you every name in the book; apologize. Send him a letter with only 3-words: I AM SORRY! There is no quick fix to these issues and it sounds like you two have been disrespectful for at least 7 years. You made a life-altering decision to have an A, perhaps it's time you made a life-altering decision to take the high-road. Good Luck. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
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Your willingness to just "roll over and take it" in the face of a challenge is something about yourself that needs to be changed.
That's the same behavior that got you where you are today.
You did that same behavior in your marriage before your affair.
You did that same behavior during your affair with that terrible violent OM.
You just collapse ~ when what you need to do ~ is stand up and make a strong decision for your own well being ... not fold like an old umbrella in a gust of wind.
Until you can stand up for yourslef when needed ... you will continue to be a whipping girl to other peoples desires.
Aren't you tired of being the victim? You don't have to be, you know!
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Hey lucidity,
Just checking to see you you're doing.
Please drop us a few words when you get a chance.
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