I had a long talk with WW today. Trying to follow Steve Harley's recommendations and chip away at the idea we could establish a feeling of love in our relationship.

She get's really tense and says she's already passed us being married. In her heart it is OVER. Pretty emphatic. She's still E-Mailing the OM. He's the only friend she has. Still doesn't think what she is/was doing is a real affair.

She can never get over that I called the police because of the way she reacted when she couldn't see her son. EVER. That's a long time. "I don't know if I can look at you again let alone ever touch me." "You might get scratched and call the police on me again."

I just sat there and didn't say anything.

As Steve said during our conference. We're on different planets.

There is some hope in that I think because she wants the D so bad, she'll talk to Steve for an hour as he suggested.

She ended the call after an hour asking me please to never bring up again a desire to work things out. I said I would try. But I cannot honestly do it until she's willing to at least investigate the possibility of recovery.

I'm off to Europe tomorrow to deposit as many Love Units as I can. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Good luck sleepless. I'm new at all this but it sounds like her LB may not be open for deposit by you. If you are intent on taking your son to her let her see what a great dad you are. I don't mean use your son. But let her watch you being a tender, loving, fun Dad. That may be the only area you have to agree on.

Take care of yourself I've read your posts, you've gone through a lot. Have a safe trip you'll be in my prayers