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Good Morning all -

I've given up on trying to post to my thread on this new forum, I don't know if it's me or what, but it logs me out every time I try. So... a new thread to contiue the old one.

First, let me say I have missed you all so much over the last week. As you all know, Monday (3/28) was our court date. Below is what I typed at home Monday night and save to a disk:

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Hello to everyone.

Well…it’s a lonely existence without MB, eh?

This morning was my “temporary hearing” with the judge regarding WW’s petition for “separate maintenance”. I’m summarizing from my laptop and will post into MB when it is working again and I have internet access.

Our appt was at 9:30 AM. I showed up at about 9:10, my attorney at 9:20. We were called into the judge’s chambers right at 9:30, and WW’s attorney showed up about 5 minutes later. WW showed up at about 9:45. I could tell the judge was displeased. (at least WW wasn’t wearing pajama bottoms).

I know this shouldn’t enter into the picture, but WW’s attorney looks like a middle-aged wh*re. She has bleached blond hair all frizzed out, and was wearing some sort of a short black lacy dress with her b**bs half way showing. I was so glad she wasn’t my attorney. By contrast, I’ve got a very clean cut gentlemen in a suit by me, and I was VERY proud of the way he handled the case.

WW’s attorney began by telling the judge that we were having mid-life issues and that I ignored my wife, didn’t talk to her, and didn’t understand her need to seek a friendship elsewhere. She said her client didn’t want a divorce, she wanted to go to counseling Then, she told the horrid story of how I took her 2003 Thunderbird from her place of employment and replaced it with a 1997 Acura. The judge looked at me and asked me what kind of car I drive. I am SO glad I could say 1997 Honda. That was the end of the car discussion, period. (If I had said something like a new Corvette, my goose would have been cooked!!).

When the court room tramp finished tearing me down, the judge looked at my attorney for his response. He calmly said that this was a simple case of this woman being grossly emotionally involved with a man who she had met on the internet. He said we have obtained phone records that show that she recently spent over 100 hours on the phone with him in one month alone. He said that the house she is currently in is too big for her in that it is 5 bedroom and 3 baths, plus she has stated a desire to have this man and his wife move here into the marital home. Therefore, we believe the house needs to be sold immediately.

The judge asked to look at the financial affidavit. She asked me if I would pay the mortgage and utilities on a temporary basis. My attorney jumped in and said that we didn’t feel we should have to pay her phone, internet, can cable bills. The judge said she agreed and asked if we would be agreeable to paying the mortgage, gas, water, electric, and trash pick-up. My attorney said we were agreeable to that.

Then the attorney asked WW if there were any other pressing financial needs. She said she was having a hard time paying for her prescription and medical visit co-payments. The judge asked if I would pay for this as well. I told the judge that if she needed that, I would pay for it.

The judge asked if I had anything I wanted to say in response. That was my big moment. So…I told the judge how WW was talking to another man almost all night, was on the phone with him when I left to go to work, and was still on the phone with him when I came home in the afternoon. I told her that I had asked WW multiple times to go to a counselor with me, and she had steadfastly refused. One of the reasons given was that she told me she knew a counselor would tell her to end her relationship with OM, and she wasn’t willing to do that. Then, I told the judge how WW keep telling me what a mistake it was that she had married me, and that she knew God had brought her and OM together. How he wanted to divorce his wife. Also, I told the judge how she had said she would like to sleep with him, and I only accompanied her on that trip as a chaperone, which I had clearly told her before we went.

Then, I told the judge that on December 6 I gave her a letter that said she had to end her R with OM in order to continue our marriage. And I told the judge that my position on that had no changed, but to this date WW has refused to end that relationship.

I told her that I could no longer live this way, and that was the reason that I moved out.

I must say…you could’ve heard a pin drop in that small little conference room. Everyone in there was speechless.

The judge looked at WW’s attorney and told her it sounded like there was some decisions that needed to be made if this marriage was going to be saved. Her attorney didn’t say a word, they just got up and left the room when the judge dismissed us all. Afterwards, my attorney took me to another room and we talked. He told me that the synopsis I just gave was one of the most moving he had ever heard. He said from a legal point of view, it probably didn’t change anything, but it certainly gave the judge a clear understanding of what is really going on. Also, she will be the same judge who hears the divorce proceedings.

So, what I am paying is right at $1,500 per month in alimony, plus her medical expenses which I anticipate to be $100 - $200 per month. In comparison, since I left home on January 28 (2 months ago today), I have totaled the bills I have paid for her and they amount to $8,050. So…needless to say she is going to have to seriously curtail her spending and probably get a second job.

I had planned to go into work late today, but I was just too shook up over all this. I took the day off and have stayed at home most of the day. I went to the library for a while (Mimi – I checked out “Man On Fire” !!!!) and am going to my parents house for dinner tonight.


Okay, back to the "now". After I typed that Monday night, I found out (from my parents during dinner) that #1S was over at WW's house as she had called him and said she was going to commit suicide. He went over and found her all calmed down when he got there, she was on the phone with OM. She told him she didn't understand how Dad could ask her go give up her R with OM when he makes her so happy. #1S was NOT happy about this, told me he's not going to go running over there every time she gets upset. Oh...she gave him the Christmas presents for him and #1DIL while he was there.

WW did suggest to him that she thinks she might need a psychiatrist. She said that she doesn't agree with the way counselors and psychologist treat people, so she needs a psychiatrist. So...#1S talked to our church staff as well as the Dr. that he works for and got some recommendations on area psychiatrists. He passed those along to her yesterday. I don't know if she will do anything with it or not.

Frankly...I've given up all hope that she is EVER going to change. I have been considering going back to the local counselor that I saw last year. I think he might can offer some reasonable advice on re-building my new life and getting through this successfully.

And...in other (less important news).....

I dealth with my Monday depression by ordering myself a new digital camera. I'm a photo geek and my current camera is a "first generation" point and shoot. The one I've ordered is the same way #1S uses (he's a photo geek too) with lots of bells and whistles. It should be here today.

And, pottery was again wonderful last night. I successfully made 2 bowls, one small, one larger. I'm really beginning to get the hang of this pottery wheel thing, which I really love.

Reggie asked me to play catch when I got home yesterday, so I told him I would as soon as I walked Jeb. However, when I came back out he told me his Mom had told him he couldn't play with me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

And, I have to be in San Antonio on Monday and Tuesday. I've never been there, so I'm going Saturday morning and stay in a hotel down on the Riverwalk for a mini-vacation. Sad note: I had hoped to take WW to San Antonio for a long weekend last year. In October I had asked her to go on some days at of school, and that is when she told me she was going to visit OM instead. This will be a bittersweet trip, for sure.

Okay, I'm ready to hear from my friends.

Georgia


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Hi FGG:

I'm here! But it sure is a pain 2 reply! (at least for me. I keep having 2 log back in or hit on "last post", because clicking on the subject gives me an error.

Your sitch reminds me of my friend Spacecase's. Not the details, but the way his WW never ever "got it". He'll have been DV'd for 2 years in a 2ple of months, and she still doesn't get why he doesn't call her more often.

Your account of the hearing was truly moving. It also sounds as if the fog broke for a moment, but then socked right back in. It's her security blanket after all, so it's not unexpected. Very sad, though.

Anyway, I hope that things continue 2 look up for you. Although it's possibly true that your statement has no legal impact, it's also true that lawyers and judges are people, and I'll bet the judge (who sounds quite reasonable) will not forget what you said when decision time comes.

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Hi Georgia;

I'm struggling with this new forum, I guess like everyone else! I was thinking about you on Monday. Wow! You did great. What strength to be able to so clearly share the truth about what has been going on with your WW!

I was LOL about that lawyer! What a characterization of MIDLIFE ISSUES. Was she saying that your WW is the norm for us 50ish women? YUK!

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Frankly...I've given up all hope that she is EVER going to change


She can change. However, at this point, would it matter to you? It might be too late. What do you think? You certainly seem to be moving on with your life in good ways while she hangs on to her one and only resource.

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Reggie asked me to play catch when I got home yesterday, so I told him I would as soon as I walked Jeb. However, when I came back out he told me his Mom had told him he couldn't play with me.


Maybe all this Michael Jackson stuff has caused the Mom to be anxious. It might help to talk to her and get to know her better. I almost can understand her paranoia, unfortunately. There's a recent upsurgence of news about pedophiles.

More later......


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Hey GG,

My old login doesn't work - this is CSue!

Sheesh! What an amazing court story you tell. Your WW attorney doesn't sound all that competent afterall. She even made her client look badly by the sound of it.

I am happy to hear you continue to take the high road. It will pave the road to peace in your future no matter what happens. Glad you're not buying into the suicide hysteria. I'll bet she's not through with these types of tactics, especially when she has to change her lifestyle because of finances. Reality will start to set in.

I hope she does see a psychiatrist, she could really benefit - especially if she's HONEST with him. There's a possibility that she could invite you to meet with the psychiatrist - and if so I hope you're willing to do so. You could provide him with invaluable information regarding your wife's health and mental status.

I'll post this and see if there's any technical difficulty!


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It is certainly nice to hear from both of you.

Mimi - You ask a question that actually I spend a lot of time last night considering. Is it too late? I think that in many ways, I keep holding out this false hope for the boys. In reality, if I examine how I (FGG) feel, I would have a hard time taking her back right now if she showed up on my doorstep and asked me to do so, which seems highly unlikely. #1S e-mailed me a brief conversation that he had with my IL's Monday night. Here it is in it's entirety:

#1S: "I hate to be the one to tell y'all this, but Dad filed for divorce on Friday. Mom found out today and that's why she's been so upset."

MIL: "Is he serious with the divorce, or is he just trying to scare her?"

#1S: "He's pretty serious."

MIL: "Well, I don't blame your Dad for that one bit. I don't blame him at all. If that doesn't shock some sense into her, nothing will. [...] We told FGG when he came up here we don't blame him, and we don't. [...] That's not really a surprise to us anyway; we'd been expecting him to do that for a while."

END OF QUOTE

Actually, it is funny you ask this question. What really prompted me to think of going back to the local counselor is to get his advice on how best to tell the family that I ma finished with Mom and that it is over between us. (Is this my CA'er coming out? Do I need to just TELL them?).

On the Reggie thing. Yeah, I assume she thinks it a little odd that a M/A man wants to play catch with her 8 year old son. I met her that one day several weeks ago and I thought I had gained her trust. Perhaps I need to talk to her again.

The church was giving away Easter lillies after the service Sunday. I got one and took it to my neighbors (the cop) and wished them a Happy Easter. They appreciated that, and I liked being able to do something for them.

BTW - A belated happy and meaningful Easter to all here.

I hope MB fixes this site, this is the pits.

Georgia


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GG, if you don't feel that your marriage has a future even if she did all the right things, I suspect you'll always feel "caring love" for her.

I certainly did with my exH. I finally came to accept that he did the very best he could at the time with what he knew. That allowed me to forgive him, yet still care for him, while getting on with my own life.

She'll always be a part of your life because of your children, and your kind respectful treatment of her in the future will soothe their souls.


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Hi, CSue...we cross posted.

If she goes to a psychiatrist, I will go even if only to help him see what has been happening.

Something I have wondered about. If she goes, but she doesn't WANT to change, does it really do any good? She has (as you all know) made it very, very clear that she DOES NOT WANT to end her R with OM. Isn't the first step (like AA) that you have to admit you have a problem and you WANT to change?

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CSue - Xpost again!!

What I feel for her is sorrow and grief. I remember her the way she WAS, the GREAT, GREAT life we had together. How we were best friends for over 2 decades.

When I see her now, I feel nothing but sorrow for what she is doing. I am not angry with her, but it is so sad to see her now. I really, really hurt for her.

And...in a way I feel GUILTY that I haven't apparently understood her, been there enough, whatever...I guess in some ways I feel like I've contributed to her current state.

Does that make sense?

Georgia

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Hi Georgia! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I´m so glad we are back! It was terrible not having MB and you with that court date. You did absolutely fantastic! I really admire you for being so cool and objective. And I can share your feelings of sadness. But don´t lose hope, please. I keep repeating that to myself. Afterall we´ve all experienced sudden changes in the way we perceieve or see situations and our attitudes can change very suddenly. It always sounds like a miracle when it happens, but I think it is more common than we want to admit.

have to go am at work will write later


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Hi cc -

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I must admit I was a nervous wreck in the court, but it went much better than I had anticipated.

Is your new job as good as you had expected? I hope you are enjoying it.


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Sorry I had to leave in a horry but the boss walked in.

The job should be the dream job for anyone in my specialty but unfortunately or fortunately it is like starting from nothing. The good thing is that whatever I do will be appreciated but dealing with some 30 or so people who are used to not doing much is not very pleasant. Nevertheless I am distracted.

To continue my thoughts, I really think that you should not give up hope, but go ahead with whatever you feel you have to do. If the divorce goes thru, you have tried your best and in those circumstances there was nothing more you could do. I don't think that enabling your WW behaviour is acceptable at all, so you had no other choice. But she may snap out of her fantasy and this can happen in a second. Just be true to yourself, 'cause that's the only person you can never get away from.

I know how sad and incredible it all is. I can't believe the situation I find myself in and yours is so much more incredible, but that's reality. At least hopefully we are living reality and they are in fantasyland.

I have had some people react in a very positive way to me, friends who I hadn't talked to in ages have called just to say they had heard and wanted to say hello, my family has really been great and even MIL has been nicer to me than in the last 15 years. On the other hand nobody seems to have much contact with WH, partly his doing of course.

So I wait and have hope, and a deadline: Xmas 2005.
I still feel very panicked everytime I think of a face to face contact with WH, so I think you did great at your court hearing.

Cheer up, we're all here for you!

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Georgia,
Your question of “If she goes, but she doesn't WANT to change, does it really do any good?” – is a good question. Truthfully if she goes, you’re probably not going to know why she’s going. The fact that she’s thinking about it indicates that she thinks she has some type of problem – but her reality is distorted. What she goes to see him about, may not be what he treats her for.

You see, I suspect that he will want to have her take some screening tests that would indicate if she has a mental illness. There are several, and one in particular that I’m familiar with has the ability to determine if the tester is being “honest” or delusional. I think we can assume what the outcome of that test would show in your wife’s case.

So to answer your question – No, she won’t have to admit she has a particular problem before he can treat her. She may find that he wants to treat her for something she’s not aware of. But they’re used to that – my hope is that she goes for whatever treatment the psychiatrist feels she needs, and that she doesn’t bail out if she doesn’t hear what she wants to hear.

Mental illness is tricky – so many conditions oppose treatment – it’s tough to get compliance, especially if medication is involved.

I hope her brother makes a good recommendation for her, and encourages her to follow through.

Your guilt makes sense to me – but I believe that if you’d known better back then, you would have done better….Just like you know better now; therefore you’re doing better. I encourage you to find a good Christian IC when the dust has settled a bit and get to work on putting “you” back together. A good IC will help you sort through your normal feelings of guilt – as a result of this journey you will be a better person for having gone through it. You’ll deal with your guilt by learning how to forgive yourself, and accepting your imperfections along with the rest of us humans who are not perfect. I believe that God teaches great life lessons through trials like this – it’s part of molding you to do good works.

Guilt although an honest emotion is a paralyzing emotion that can hold you back if you allow yourself to get stuck there wallowing for a long time. I think it’s normal for you to feel that way at this stage of the game…but you can’t allow it to keep you from picking yourself up, dusting off – and moving forward.

You may have inadvertently contributed to your wife’s “state”, but your loving behavior and actions towards her going through this have more than made up for any mistakes you made. It’s just that you’re at the really yucky stage of the game – and it’s no fun to be here, but there’s no avoiding it either – no going around it, just go through it with all your support people holding your hand.

Let’s see if this posts!!!

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FGG - Good job on the hearing with the Judge.

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He (#1 Son) went over and found her all calmed down when he got there, she was on the phone with OM. She told him she didn't understand how Dad could ask her go give up her R with OM when he makes her so happy.

FGG, the real answer is that "Dad" isn't alone. "Dad" is asking that she give up "all others" that are detrimental to the marriage, but God is [color:"red"]demanding [/color] that she obey Him and stop sinning. It does NOT matter how "good" sin might make one feel (that is, after all, part of the attractiveness and temptation of sin). God states categorically "leave your life of sin. If you love me, obey my commands."

It remains patently obvious that spiritual intervention is needed, of the Matthew 18:15-20 variety. As long as she continues to believe that YOU are the "bad guy" she can justify continuing to willfully sin against God. Her sin IS first and foremost against God, not you. Yes, you are also being sinned against because of your marital covenant, but Adultery is specifically stated as one of the "sins" that will prevent someone from being in heaven unless they repent of it. "Repent" means to "turn away from and leave that course of sin" permanently. The lie she is believing is Satan's old tried and true lie that "God didn't really mean what he said."

The "bottom line" FGG, is that you are right. Unless your wife repents and chooses to follow God in humble obedience regardless of how she might be feeling, she will be no different than the young rich ruler who did all that Jesus told him should be done EXCEPT give up the one thing he held more dearly than God Himself. Many will at the last day, cry out "Lord, Lord," but Jesus will tell them that He never knew them....that is the course your wife is on. That is the end she could face if she were to die before repenting and truly surrendering her life to Christ.

What was the update on "J's" talk with your wife? I may have missed it previously, but I don't recall an update on that issue.

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GEORGIA, CSUE, CC and other friends here:

I want to share with you all the weird experience I had this afternoon. It seemed like a scene from a movie...

I move out of a super long lane of traffic into an amazingly short lane. Who's in this lane? Yep, no kidding! Just my car and the OW's car. We are stopped at a red light. I'm sure that she is probably just as shocked as I am as she looks through her rearview mirror. I have an urge to ram into her car. Of course, I don't but I do honestly have the urge.

The light turns green and we are moving onto a 6 lane highway (3 lanes on one side of the road and 3 lanes on our side). We have a few miles to go until reaching the next light. It feels eerie, like we are the only cars on the road. She takes the middle lane. I decide to whiz by on her left side. Although I didn't ram her car, I just had to "stare her down". I'm always wanting to get a good look. Remember my amazement at her. She looks straignt ahead and is intently talking on her cellphone. I say to myself, maybe she didn't see me. Maybe she doesn't know who I am. I'm wearing some cool pink sunglasses, goddess quality! You guys should know how I am by now.
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However, she speeds up to catch up with me, gets close on my bumper. Is she going to ram me? In retrospect, she was probably trying to see what kind of car I was driving or she wanted to make sure it was me. I now have my FWH's old license plate. I'm not sure what she was doing really. I'm wanting to get away from her by this time.

We get stuck at the next light together when this road ends. She follows me as I turn but then slows up, going way below the speed limit. I end of losing her she is going so slowly. She disappears.

I keep wondering if there is a reason for such occurrences. This has happened before when I see her out of the blue.

My FWH is oblivious to all of this. I find him at home asleep on the couch. I walk in, He says, "MY NAME, is that you?"

Weird. I think we are all in some kind of nightmare!!

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Wow Mimi. Very strange, but I don't exactly believe in coincidence. These things happen for a reason. So wait and see how somehow it will fit into your life.

I haven't seen OW since d day and I don't want to. But I have begun to pray for her. I have no idea how I would react or act if I did meet her. I'd probably run away (conflict avoider) but I am abosultely convinced now after so much MB talk that I am not to blame for the A and that I have nothing to be ashamed of, so that would be my shield to look at her straight in the eye. And that's as far as my imagination will let me see this situation...


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Good morning friends....

I know this goes without saying, but I so much appreciate the input of each of you each day, especially knowing some of your basic credentials.

You've all written so much that I want to address.

cc - How did you arrive at a deadline of Christmas? I found that it seemed like I got to a point that I just couldn't take it anymore, and I had to get away from her before she drove me insane and I maybe even lost control of myself. That was about the first week of December. When I told SH what was happening, he asked how long I wanted to wait until we separated. When I told him after Christmas, he told me that I couldn't wait that long, he wanted me away from her within the week. The point is...you may find yourself reaching a point where YOU can't hold out until Christmas. Don't allow yourself to go nuts trying to reach some arbitrary milestone.

CSue (Lucky?) and FH - I think the question of "wanting to change" is relevant to both of your replies. I know when I saw the first MC locally last year, he suggested that a condition I place on continuation of our marriage was for her to see a clinical psychiatrist AND she has to agree to follow whatever treatment / advice is given. He made that very clear. Of course, she never went. However, her past history shows that she has a propensity to terminate any discussion that starts getting close to ending her R with OM. All the same, I understand your thoughts about the dr being able to "screen" for other issues.

And..on the guilt issue. I do think of her as she was and it nags me to think of how much "fault" I have in contributing to her current state. Kind of like one of those lawsuits you hear of where a party is found to "10%" at fault..or something like that. Am I WHOLLY responsible for her actions? No. Am I partly? Probably.

MIMI - Perhaps you are familiar with one of my favorite movies of all time: "Goldfinger" - one of the early James Bond (aka Sean Connery) films. If so, you understand why we don't all have an Aston Martin like 007 drove in that movie. You could've riddled her car with machine gun fire from the guns concealed behind your headlights. Then...you could've pulled up next to her and ground her tires to shreds with those big spiked things that come out of your axles. In case she's not yet finished, you could then get in front of her and spray the road with oil for her.

Oh well....it's a thought!!!

But seriously folks...

The way I try to keep my animosity for OM in check is to realize that if it hadn't been him, it would be someone else. This is especially true in my case when we're now on OM#2. I try to think of OM#1 & OM#2 as just pawns in this sick game, not necessarily someone who has exacerbated the situation. Does that make sense? Of course, I don't have to see OM on an intermittent basis like you do with OW.

Okay, stuff to do.

Georgia






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My Question:

Is it God or the Devil that keeps bringing me face to face with her? She always looks like the personification of evil to me. That's for sure. I woke up with that scary feeling again. It's the PTSD stuff, flashbacks, bad memories.

I have been bothered with intensely rageful feelings towards her which came up in my urge to ram her car. Putting it mildly, I wish she didn't exist or never existed. Then, I feel that I could go on.... Sounds crazy, I know. I'm OK with my FWH. Do not have closure with her because she never has seemed sorry or regretful about what she did to me. I remember hearing her begging him to leave me again. YUK!!!


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FGG:

"The way I try to keep my animosity for OM in check is to realize that if it hadn't been him, it would be someone else. This is especially true in my case when we're now on OM#2. I try to think of OM#1 & OM#2 as just pawns in this sick game, not necessarily someone who has exacerbated the situation. Does that make sense?"

Makes perfect sense. The corollary 2 this, of course, is that the OMs are nobodies, and nobody can really harm you, right?

And mimi: We all talk at various times about how much we hate the OP and how much "power" we inadvertently give them in the process. Or at other times about how powerful forgiveness is in easing our own worries of a repeat of his2ry.

After all this time, I still go back and forth, but mostly I must say I burn more calories than I should on resentment of RM. But I'm making progress in that I fret far less than I did.

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Well, I posted a reply to you, Mimi..but it's disappreared.

I don't know the answer to your question. We've cross-posted here, and I hope that I didn't offend you by making light of the situation. I know it is serious.

And...I know you are a smart and spiritually mature woman. My comments will seem simplistic...perhaps there are others here with better suggestions for you. Blanket license to thread-jack is granted to anyone wishing to help my friend Mimi.

You know that your animosity towards her hurts you much more than her. I've come to believe that we need to offer forgiveness to those who have wronged us (and OW has wronged you) more for our own good than for the offending party.

I suggest that OW knows that she still gets to you if she noted you speeding past her (and she did). And...she may get some small measure of comfort knowing that she still has some control over you. Your best "revenge" on her will be when she KNOWS that her presence is a "non-issue" in your life. Of course, that is much easier for me to say than for you to do, I realize that.

I'm so sorry for the pain you feel, Mimi...

But....cool pink sunglasses? An oxymoron?

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Georgia, short reply because I{m at work. I don{t know which Xmas date you mean, whether start of plan B or the end of planB. I have only recently decided to set that date of waiting until Xmas 2005 to get on "fully" with my life. I felt that I needed some sort of milestone. THis plan B could go on forever, WH is very stubborn and OW seems to enjoy anonimity and secrecy, so who knows how long they will last, and even if they don{t, I truly beelieve that OW is just a symptom, if not her (although she did alot to be OW, too much effort for what she has received in my opinion) it would probably have been somebody else, or no one.

have to go but will finish my thoughts later


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