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Folks. In my guide I want to define the physical and emotional affairs. I can define a physical one no problem, but I feel weak on the identity of an emotional one. Please give me some examples so I can incorporate this in my guide, because I have the feeling that some waywards will "think" they are doing nothing wrong after reading my guide because I couldn't articulate an emotional affair well enough.
I am working on another revision of this guide right now and hope to have it up here soon.
Thanks.
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My definition is that it has all the symptoms of a physical affair, except without the sex. There is just as much secrecy and thrill, and just as much hurt for the spouse that discovers the betrayal (I speak from experience here). I would even go so far as to say that the deception is even greater because, since there is no sex, they are able to justify their actions more in their minds.
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I agree. It does seem easier to justify the "friendship" if there is no sex.
To add on to the def:
if the WS feels "guilt" for any aspect of the "friendship" it is likely an EA. (ie. if he/she feels the need to hide the emails, pm's, phone numbers, etc or if he/she find themselves lying about what's happening with "friend").
An EA hurts just as much as a PA. I would much rather my H had sex without someone he didn't love than to love someone he didn't have sex with. But, that's just me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Patriot, again thanks for doing this. I would define emotional affair as sharing your inner self with someone outside of your M to exclusion of your S. I would also add that talking about the problems in your M or with your S to someone of the opposite is a red flag. Anything done in secret is detrimental to the M IMHO.
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To me it's when you have your emotional needs be fulfilled by someone else other than your spouse. In my case, my OM made me feel wanted, attractive, important.
Many people think that because there is no sex involved then it's not harmful - it's just a close friendship. But when it goes dark, when it becomes secret because "no one would understand" that's a clear sign that it's an emotional affair.
I think these affairs can be more damaging to a marriage than physical affairs. JMHO of course.
FWW (me)34 BS 36 EA lasted 3 months First D-Day: 3/7/04 Second D-Day with total truth: 4/13/04 NC established: 4/14/04 In recovery and doing wonderful! The light shines through the darkenss; and the darkness can never extinguish it.
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PAT - for your purposes, here's my offering:
An emotional affair is a near sexual emotional investment or involvement in someone other than your spouse that you don't want your spouse to know about. It's 100% the emotional part of legal adultery without the sexual signature.
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"Emotional Affair: When they give each other's egos a bl*w j*b."
Just my personal definition, of course. Mulan
Me, BW WH cheated in corporate workplace for many years. He moved out and filed in summer 2008.
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Hi everyone! very good job! you have your answers Pat.... being a victim of an EA I must agree with yu all! as I would tell my H IT IS NOT "JUST TALKING" it's an affair of the heart, it's keeping a secret...(although ones swears its not wrong)... its needing someone besides your spouse(thinking that this person has all the right answers you NEED to hear) it's becoming "second" ,"not enough" in your marriage... its withdrawning from you wife sexually cause one is living in a fantasy world..its sort of an addiction... etc.etc... all I know is that it HURTS!!!! to look into you spouse eyes and don't know him any more...all because like you said...his ego needed a b*** J**. my saying was he had his head up her a**! know matter how your write your guide Pat... just know that it is wrong!!! it is an affair!! and it's destroying more marriages than you think... just my thoughts.. sorry i'm bitter... I have been hurt badly by one...and they can go on for years....
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Patriot, Accoring to Shirley Glass in her book "Not Just Friends" a platonic friendship edges into an Emotional Affair when the following three elements are present: * Emotional intimacy. Transgressors share more of their 'inner self, frustrations and triumphs than with their spouses. They are on a slippery slope when they begin sharing the dissatisfaction with their marriage with a co-worker. * Secrecy and deception. For example, 'They neglect to say, 'We meet every morning for coffee.' Once the lying and secrecy starts, the intimacy shifts farther away from the marriage. * Sexual chemistry. Even though the two may not act on the chemistry, there is at least an unacknowledged sexual attraction. If there is anything about the opposite sex friendship that is not 100% exposed to the spouse .... the line has been crossed, especially if the growing “friendship” is kept secret from the spouse. If ANY husband or wife finds him/her self editing the truth and keeping facts about their life from their spouse (no matter how small or insignificant)...the line has been crossed. One must be aware when they are beginning to leave their spouse out of the loop as far as what things they feel for, say to and/or do with the opposite sex friend. Here is a thread I posted long ago just after I started posting here: Question on differences between friendship and EA Suzet
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Dear Upperhand: You and I sound much the same (husbands had EA) and I just wondered how you were doing. I've just joined this website, but could have really used it about three months ago when I found out about his relationship. Since then I have continually flipped between being clingy or practicing major lovebusters.
And he is still distant, he says because he can't trust me because one minute I am loving, the next psychotic. I think he is in the withdrawal or ambivalent stage. I am just trying right now to be respectful of him, but keep my distance. And then I get mad because he is the one that had the EA, and I'm the one that seems like the bad guy (but I'm trying to pray these feelings through now instead of letting him know about them).
Anyway, I am just curious as to how you are doing in this process. It is scary how similar the emotions etc. are to a physical affair!
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Well since I am researching this topic now, I came across some stuff that might help you The topic of infidelity is a frequent topic with couples experiencing problems. When most people hear the terms 'infidelity' or 'affair', they almost always think of a passionate, romantic, physical relationship. Certainly many people engage in physical affairs borne out of immaturity, acting out of hostility and even sexual addiction.
What is less understood however, and at times can be even more threatening to a long-term relationship than a physical affair, is an emotional affair. An emotional affair occurs when one member of a relationship consistently turns to someone else for their core, primary emotional support in life. It often develops slowly, even innocently, as a friendship with a co-worker or friend. There may or may not be a romantic/sexual attraction initially accompanying this budding friendship. But when the primary relationship is experiencing ongoing hostility, conflict and/or distance, and one member of the relationship pulls away from their partner and consistently turns to their 'friend' for companionship, support and sharing of deep personal material, an emotional affair has begun.
elationship with your emotional affair partner. You may as well learn to deal with them now, before putting yourself and your partner through a terrible crisis. This was taken from the relationship institute And I stole these from another forum that I foundin my searchings that may help you - these are poster's remarks to what is an emotional affair - I left them annonymous on purpose - but I think alot of these help define EA's defining moments of an emotional affair would be when something great happens to you and you would rather turn to the other person than your spouse...or when something bad happens and you turn to them instead. When you tell them more about your life/feelings/hopes/dreams than you do your spouse. I think if any of these are happening, the person is on a very, very slippery slope headed towards an emotional affair. my definition of an emotional affair is where one spouse engages in a relationship with a person outside the marriage and is attracted to them. They also shift affections from spouse to the other person. Much more laughing, talking, etc.. The confide in the other person, and keep secrets from the spouse about it.
Any relationship where one spouse conceals the relationship and the true nature of it would be considered an emotional affair for sure.. will be VERY wary of friendships my spouse has with someone of the opposite sex. It is so easy for the freindship to evolve into something more. All friendships have an element of intimacy, and therefore, probably have the potential to evolve into dangerous emotional affairs. Anemotional affair is when he shares everyday stuff with her and not you. When you are not welcome. An emotional affair is when he consistantly thinks about her, talks about her, calls her. An emotional affair is when you see him doing all the things he used to do to you, he does to her. It's important to separate the "emotional" part from the "affair" part. Emotions are uncontrollable - an affair is a choice someone makes. I feel very strongly that having feelings for many different people is a part of life - if you are an emotional person, you will appreciate others on a deeper level, regardless of who you are married to. However, I feel equally strongly that we are all responsible for our actions. Unless you live under a rock, you'll meet people (often of the opposite sex) who you appreciate. But when you do, you'd better be aware of where the boundaries are, and don't let yourself get caught up in the heat of the moment. For some, the best way to respect the boundaries is to avoid temptation altogether. But it's up to the individual to decide how best to deal with these kinds of situations.
The best of us take the good elements of our external relationships and try to integrate them into our marriages. I think that people feel attractions towards others, and that doesn't necessarily constituet an emotional affair, it's when those feelings are taken to a level of communicating them, and even acting on them therefore changing the affair. It is totally about emotions...it isn't friendship..friendship does not cross any boundaries, friendship is pure, even between men and women...those boundaries exit, and they must be respected..its tough...but possible If the relationship, no matter what level it has reached, takes away from your primary relationship (or marriage), it could be considered an affair.
The question to ask is: Would you feel comfortable describing every detail of every interaction or feeling concerning this person to your significant other? If the answer is "No", you might have a problem.
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Sorry hehe A few more things I found - I am reasearching biblical stances on Adultry as part of my healing process right now and sometimes I come across things that might be useful for some this lol Adultery, more fully understood Biblically is the willful and harmful violation (adulteration) of the primary, the permanence, and the honesty of the marriage. Thus, some extramarital relationships that involve no physical sexual expression whatever can be adulterous. On the other hand, extramarital sexuality with the active participation of both spouses that is marriage enhancing may not be adulteress at all. I think they mean that if it is done in secret and without the other spouses enthusiastic approval it is adultrous?
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Something about relationships with x's screams emotional affair to me...
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Something about relationships with x's screams emotional affair to me... I agree with you there. My H was in an emotional affair with an ex for quite a while before it became physical... and to be honest, I found the emotional intimacy worse than the physical affair. We have long been in recovery, and now I'm beginning to wonder if we ever move beyond the "BS" stage. Do we ever go back to just being a wife or a husband? When is the "betrayed" thing over? How do you know when the marriage has completely healed? Is it like a vase that was broken once and put together again... it is whole, but you can still see the crack from "the time when...." Just thinking aloud here....
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