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OK thats it....all this unhappiness....I think we all need to meet in disneyland and have fun...forget our WS's for a day and just enjoy life....bring the kids and just have a ball.What you all think? I mean it's almost summer....road trips are always fund...ok there could be a car pool thing/group of people from every state that travel together....hehe...i jsut wanna see lemonman on the teacups.....muhahahaha.

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Disneyland trip? God, sounds good to me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

SS,
Glad you can understand the difficulties that adding in an unstable factor (mental illness) can be. It changes a whole lot of things. I have always felt the need to 'rescue' her. I have been faulted by others because of this, but you know, what else can a husband do? If you vow to protect your spouse, that's what you do. Period. At least that's the way I've always looked at it.
Maybe that's not the best way, as people sometimes can't learn unless they fall flat on their face.

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Good to see you! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
been a long time. I am doing alright. Still dealing with things, as you can see, but I'm managing....

Oh and an update for everyone, I now have another (two now) 40yr old lady after me. Now I will need everyone's advice......
Blow my brains out because I'm not attacting 19 yr old beauty queens? Or get on my knees and thank God that at least she still has her own teeth?


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TTSi -

Somehow I missed your question last time I checked the thread....

I am in Houston presently, but will most likely be moving to Austin sometime over the summer. It is all up in the air for right now.

LOL about your fan club!

I'm in if y'all are serious about Disneyland...I need to be in LA sometime over the next month or so anyway - I have to move all the stuff I have in storage there back to TX....

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Yes... and I shall call my new fan club.........

"TTSi's groupie chicks with mostly their own teeth"

TM,
Austin is a good move... Very happening place, especially for those in their 20s and 30s.
I'm about 45 miles south of Austin.


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Hi TTSi.

I've been trying to follow your posts for a while; just wanted to say how much progress you've made and that we are all proud of you. It must be so hard to let go of someone when they're innately trying to destroy themselves; I can't even imagine what demons you've had to reckon with. I can't claim to know what mental dis. your STBEX had, but I've come in close contact with my share, and I desperately feel for you. Please keep checking in.

Man there are a lot of Texans on this board. I'm in Houston, too, but would move to Austin in a heartbeat were it financially feasible (though I would miss the beach. . .)

Keep it up, TTSi.


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Hi TTSI, i dont think I have ever posted to you before! I noticed that you said "she" had the baby in OCt...did you wife have the OM's baby? I didnt' know she was PG...

I live in corpus right now, but will be moving to San Antonio soon...after the Divorce is final...I am looking forward to getting back to San Antonio as I grew up there and my mom is there still! I go up often now to visit... Do you live in San Marcos? I go there often...to shop you know! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

maybe we can all get together and have lunch one day...meet up in a central location of Texas <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> with all the MB texans on here! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



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mt3b,

I'd love to meet up with you sometime, maybe after you've moved and things everywhere have settled down a bit -- and my kids would, too! They are all girls but more of the tree-climbing, science-studying, mud-playing variety. They'd prefer boys to hang out with than girly girls any day.

And your boys sure are gorgeous!

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Been out late tonite, so I'll update this better tommorow evening....

Mt3B,
I'm in New Braunfels.... I like it here, and am originally from here..


One more thing to update, after I let WW know that I had sent her the car ownership transfer paperwork, she said,
"Just a FYI, getting ready to move to CA soon. Will keep in touch."

yes, she did have OM's baby in October. CA has very liberal child support laws.... crazy stuff. I'm going to have to file for divorce very soon. I don't know if she has some plans, that have something to do with moving there so that she can try to get some sort of child support from me, but I won't bet against it.


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*poke* as far as the old lady thing I think you should be flattered....but don't loose hope...there are lots of young ladies out there who would love to go out with ya....(we've all told you what a handsome devil you are <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />)...or chase ya if need be....hehe...just make sure they arn't wielding shot guns or pitchforks and torches...and I think your ok. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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TTSi-

My WW and I used to visit Camp Huaco Springs fairly regularly during the summer... There were some great memories there...all triggers now...

Don't worry too much about your WW's timetable. She cannot file in CA until she has been a resident there for 6 months. You might have to do something before then, though.

I am not against a group of MB'ers meeting in New Braunfels/San Marcos/Austin...I will certainly drive up for it. I love that part of TX.

I wish I had a fan club. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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If she moves to CA YOU wont have to pay ANY CS, especially if the OM is the father and paternity has been proven...that's just crazy...I have a good friend in CA and she knows the laws very well...CA is a bit like TX when it comes to Divorce and stuff!

I had no idea that your wife had a baby with OM..I never saw you on the PG board! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

ARGH...how do you review the posts on this board??? I dont remember who is was who said they lived in SAT??? Stillloveinghim???

I would LOVE to meet up with you guys...

I grew up on the NE part of SAT...just 20 min from New Braunsfels! Used to go to NB every weekend...Love that little town! I know it well!

I'll be passing by in two weeks when me and my boys go camping! We go to Garner STate park every summer...this time we will be all along though
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> a little scary going down that river alone, but I am looking forward to it!

Still??? is that who it was, email me at my addy below and maybe we can meet up! that sounds fun! I know of a few other MBers in SAT too! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



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OK thats it....all this unhappiness....I think we all need to meet in disneyland and have fun...forget our WS's for a day and just enjoy life....bring the kids and just have a ball.What you all think? I mean it's almost summer....road trips are always fund...ok there could be a car pool thing/group of people from every state that travel together....hehe...i jsut wanna see lemonman on the teacups.....muhahahaha.

I'm going to be in Disneyland June 24th ... so get in line behind me for Space Mountain !

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Momto3Boys,

No, Hon, I'm in Houston. Flat, boring, hot Houston. Everyone else is in San Antone, LOL. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> But I still want to get together sometime later this summer. What say you? Can your three cuties (XX) stand mine (XY)?

I'll email you tomorrow anyway!

TTSi,

Holy Smokes! I finally went to see what the fuss was all about with your pic and I cannot say I was disappointed in the least! Heavens above, if I wasn't married and so hooked on that man . . . <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

LOL

G'night, all.


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I have been so busy lately.... Always something needing tending to. Either work or whatever family matter/get together... Everytime I think I'm caught up and have some free time, something has to always pop up! argh... Is this a taste of single life? bleh!!
One thing I've had a little time to take up is Wakeboarding. Never waterskied or anything like that before, I kneeboarded behind a boat when I was a kid, but that's all. I can get a good 3 feet of air jumping over the boat's wake, but I'm not doing flips and twists yet. Maybe before the end of the summer though. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Anyway.. I am sorry I haven't updated or responded until now.. I'm going to try to be good from now on ok?

There hasn't been much really going on, as far as the WW is concerned. Since my last update, About her emailing me about her moving to CA, the only other thing she has mentioned was asking me if I had her passport somewhere. I don't and told her so.. she did not elaborate on anything else... I still feel huge amounts of responsibility over this whole thing. I know it's silly and stupid, and I know it is not my fault. But still, I do blame myself.

I have not had any further adventures in "Attack of the older woman with mostly their own teeth." So I cannot provide any entertainment in that arena right now. I have a feeling I'm overdue for some more, so stay tuned... I'm sure I'll have another scenario that is funny to everyone else but me, to share with you all.

Those of us in the central Texas area should have a meet sometime. Heck, 6th St. Austin would be pretty good in the summer. Or the riverwalk in SA... Though I'm not good at organizing such things. I would definitely show if someone where to start planning <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I do appreciate the comments on my pic. To be fair though, It is probably just a better pic of me. I don't think I'm all that....

M23Bs,
Thank you for the re-assurance about her move. I did panic a little... I appreciate it very much..

Travelin Man,
You'll have a fan club some day. I'm sure of it... Although do not wish too hard... You might be posting about the "Adventures of Travelin' Man and the teenage boy fans of Michael Jackson" shocked (J/K!!!)

StillLovingHim,
WOW, thank you <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

What is quite ironic about your joke is you don't know how close to the truth you are. I have been running with a party/trendy crowd and have been hit on by more men in the last two months than I can count. I guess I should feel an ego boost, but it just isn't the same. I don't know why, but women just aren't as aggressive. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Count me in for some 6th street fun. I love Austin...may be moving that way sometime in the next couple of months.

I normally would take the lead on organizing such things, but I have become notoriously unreliable since my d-day. I have trouble getting motivated and/or caring...

I hope it will work it's way out of my system soon.



Glad to hear from you.

TM


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Got a minor update..

I filed as of last week.

She did end up moving to CA.
I had asked her for her new address, and she just said that whatever I wanted to send I could send to her old address and she would get it. Basically she did not want to give me the new address. Oh well. Got it anyway. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I figured since I have not been communicating with her, that I would get the following email sooner or later, and it has come. It read,

"Good morning I hope all is well. I will keep this short, I just wanted to say I am sorry for all the pain I have caused you through the years and especially through the last couple. Some day I truely hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

You are a great person and I did enjoy the time we were together and I am sorry things ended the way they did. growing apart and having major problems like we did can be extremely rough. I know you probably don't want to but I do hope we can remain friends. I still think of you and hope things are well for you. You will always be in my prayers."



It's funny how that would have sent me through loops if I had received that from her in the past. Now I just shake my head.

Wondering if someone could provide me with one of the awesome replies/translations that I have seen here before. I'm terrible with that sort of thing.

If I end up replying to her, I was just going to make it short with,
"Yes, we did have some pretty big problems. All of which were solvable. Except for your refusal to end the adultery."

Was also thinking of adding, "And that's something you'll have to live with."

Whatcha all think?
It's way too late for me to be posting... need sleep.. I'll get back on tommorow evening and maybe post something coherent... with more detail <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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How about the following:

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There are two sayings that are most often true than not: 'What goes around, comes around' and 'What he does with you, he can do to you'. It grieves me to realize that one day you will most likely find yourself in exactly the same place I am right now. I truly hope I'm dead wrong about this for it is something that I would not wish even on my worst enemy, and much, much less on the one person I once loved with all my heart, you. God Bless.

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It's too late for me to be posting, too, so i'll make this brief. . .

I wanted to let you know that I think it was Gimble who is able to write those awesome replies to WSs. The one I am thinking of was to Binder's STBXW, I think.

I can see your growth in your posts, TTSI, and it is so heartening. Keep it up.


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Hey, I easily found Gimble's reponse to Binder's WW's letter and hoped they wouldn't mind if I cut and pasted it here. Not all of it applies to your sitch, and I know you mentioned that you may want yours to be be short, but this will at least give you something to chew on, and Gimble's shoot-from-the-hip writing is downright fantastic. . .

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Hi, Binder.

Here is a translation for you to work with:

It is with a great deal of sadness that I pen you this note. I was hoping to speak with you in person, but I cannot force you. I do hope you will take the time and read this, as it is written with no malice and from my heart.


I don't respect your wish not to be contacted, and I have some guilt that I need to pour out on you, but I intend no harm, I just need to feel better about me.


I need to start by telling you how very sorry I am for all the mistakes I have made in our marriage. I apologize for all the times I have been a proud and arrogant woman. Please forgive me the mistakes I’ve made and the hurt I’ve caused.

I am including this because I know that I did some things wrong, cause I feel guilty about it. There are no specifics, because I have not examined myself closely enough to provide any.

I received your card a few weeks ago, I must say – it was a painful read. I grieve for what was – and I grieve for what will never be. From my heart I miss “pet name & pet name”. They were good, and they were happy. Somewhere along the way, priorities changed – life changed us – and we chose to accept those changes.

What you wrote to me convicted me of my wrongdoing, but I am not that person anymore, so I will speak of us in the third person in order to remove myself from my guilt, and to be able to place the blame where it really belongs; that is on priorities, life, and you. All this happened because of you.

I know you are a good man Binder. I hope you find true contentment and peace in your world. I’m sorry that I wasn’t the one person that could light up your world and your heart – I felt I always fell short.

I can't live beside a bright light. The dim world I have created for myself can not stand the illumination. I hope you live well in your world of light and goodness, but that is not my place anymore, and that is your fault.

As we sadly end our marriage – I pray we can put aside our differences and turn the focus to our beautiful children. They love us so much, for them to sense all this tension and anger between us is not good for their little hearts. They need us both.

Please be nice to me and accept what I have done. Please do this for the pawns. After all, they don't know they are pawns, and won't mind me using them to try and push my finger in your soft spot for them. So accept my crime against you and our family because I have my finger in your sore spot.

God bless you Binder & may God bless us all.

God please accept what I have done and make it okay.

Love, WW

This is not an apology, Binder. If anyone needs to see what a real apology looks like, just image true contriteness of heart.

Real apologies are easy to see, we make them ourselves most days. "Yikes, I am sorry that I bumped you, are you okay?". Or how about hot coffee in a strangers lap because you were clumsy. Would you just say "sorry" and walk on, or would you quickly try to help resolve the mess, apologizing all the while?

We all know what real contrition looks like. The problem is that you get feed entitlement in the place of a real change in heart so often, that you forget what the real thing looks like.

God bless,
Gimble

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I am sorry to hear that things have come to this, but you have given it your very best effort...IMHO, you did everything to try and save M and WW...but she did not emerge from fog....it is really sad for her.
WW sent an email acknowledging the pain that she caused you which shows she realizes the consequence of her actions. Something tells me...later on...you will hear more sad chapters about her life, like so many others here...not that you wish her ill, but WS has not made good choices for herself.

You, my friend, have made strides....your post sounds so vastly different than last year at this time..it shows so much growth....funny how a year combined with alot of soul searching can change the picture. You have worked on you....You have become stronger and wiser by your choices and practicing the MB principles.

The time has come to pass to begin a new for yourself, TTSi...with misty eyes, not looking back, head held high, one foot confidently placed in front of the other....walk towards the future.

{{{{{{{{{{{hugs to TTSi}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

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