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Neak #1371839 11/10/05 09:37 AM
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(((((NEAK&AJ))))))

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[[[[[[Neak]]]]]]


Glad you are home with AJ & family.

Talk when you are ready.

And I promise I will try to never 'tiptoe' ...if you know what I mean...that always gave me a funny feeling.

prayers & love as always

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amongst all the support remember to look after yourself too

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Life may feel as if you are constantly getting kicked on a daily basis, living is about picking yourself up each day and going on and on and on regardless.

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AW,
That was so funny. I think I'll send it to my W, and make her day.

Probably a few more that could be added too - I bet you gals could think them up in your sleep.

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I think sometimes about all the pain in the world. I hope we can ease that here, even if only a little bit.
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Thinking of you, Neak.


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Hey thndr, I was wondering if flying home to you guys for the weekend was possible???? I know you are having the burial tomorrow... just found out... but I can pay my own airline ticket... only $150 from Spokane to Sacramento, but I don't know if it would be a bit too much having me there right now???????? I'm not even sure I would be in control of my emotions, probably would end up being a blithering case myself, so I know I wouldn't be much use to Neak in the comfort zone, so anyway, I'll be home at noon today, and I'll try calling you then... I just finished up a internship interview with the WA state legislature, and now I have a class I have to run to <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> but this is a rash decision I know but one I am willing to do. Anyway, email me if you see this before noon and I'll call~if I can't reach you I'll call neaksis. My flight would arrive at 10:50 a.m. and I would leave Monday to come back here. Anyway, if its too much emotional trauma already without me adding mine, no problem, my heart will be with you guys in every way, already is. Sorry this is a bit incoherent <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> but you know me: a very very emotional person. ttyl

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I'll call neaksis.

You're not going to be able to reach her UNLESS SHE GETS OFFLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't been able to get through to her either. You're welcome to come spend the weekend with us. I'd offer to pay your ticket, but I can't right now, having met some unexpected expenses just recently. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Let us know what you decide. If you call, I'll be home until later this afternoon.

t&l

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Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems as if he just reached across the chasm between us and tried to give me a hug, some kind of comfort, and in his own way, for Noni as well, because HE DOES KNOW how it feels in a way~the horror and shock, and then everyone's condolences that are painful to hear as well.

My take, admittedly second-hand and long-distance, was that his initial reaction to hearing the news was concern over how this would affect you. He wanted me to call you up and talk to you immediately, but I didn't because I didn't have your number with me at work, and besides (I told him) you probably would already have read about it that evening on MB. (OK, I was wrong about that.) When I read him your post, he laughed at the part about you eating all your Hawaii chocolates in one day, but the rest of the time he sounded pretty solemn. I'd almost thought his voice got kinda wobbly there briefly, talking about you, but this is Flard, after all, and if I'd asked him he'd never had admitted it anyway, so I can't say for sure. I do know he knew you'd be upset, and was worried about it, in his own Flard-like way.


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I hope that whatever I have said doesn't hurt in any way, because I know that when people gave me pat answers it made life all that much harder.

I hope I didn't give you any pat answers that made life harder. If I did, I'm really sorry. I'm realizing how hard it is to properly express sympathy in circumstances such as these. If somebody says nothing, I think, "Well, how unsensitive and uncaring." And if they do say something, it makes me cry. So which is better? Hard to know, and I think this is why so many people have such trouble expressing themselves about death that they end up not saying anything at all to their bereaved friends. They can't figure out what to say, or when, or how, or even if...and it's just easier, in the face of so many uncertainties, to be silent.

t&l

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How true T&L. On the way to the operating room, my doctor told me that the reason for the miscarriage could be that there was something "wrong" with the baby. NOT what I needed to hear. I wanted that baby.

Afterwards friends told me that I could always have another one. No comfort there either.

Hope Neak, you and the family are doing okay.

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I'm skipping class <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> to work on a project, but I'll be home at noon to call.

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It shows how precious and tenuous life is

It is, isn't it? I kinda approached this from another direction long, long ago (it seems) in the life lessons from the Saga, when I made the observation that life-changing events don't always announce themselves with a trumpet fanfare when they arrive. Baby Dillon started to die, in essence, about 8 wks. before we found out. Nobody knew. How could we have known? People go through life, day-in-and-day-out, focused on their immediate concerns, and so often completely oblivious to where all these events will converge...and sometimes combust!

If we knew that any particular act would be our last one, or a particular word, our final say, would it change what we did, or how we talked? Would we love our families more, be kinder, spend a few more minutes together, give longer hugs or warmer kisses? How our attitudes would change, I think, if we could know that the end was just around the corner, and there would be no other chances. My point is that, since we don't know, and have no way of knowing either, each day of our lives should be approached as the wonderful, irreplaceable treasure that it is...not just something to be thoughtlessly, even carelessly, hurried through, because tomorrow's another day and--NO PROBLEM--we can "finish up" later.

Cherish today, and the people who inhabit it with you. Live so that when someday, as is inevitable, you must grieve, you will be able to do it without regret for opportunities lost.

t&l

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AW, the men's-only seminar made me laugh out loud. Don't know that Neak did THAT, but she at least got a smile out of it. With that smile, and the ice cream her grandpa had her buy for the family (being of the opinion that ice cream is the ultimate panacea for sorrow! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />), she will probably get through the day...

Thanks again to all of you.

t&l

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Neak - just wanted you to know I've beenfollowing this and am so terribly sorry for your loss. You have a wonderful family who I'm sure will support you through this. TT

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Still praying for all of you.

ECCLESIASTES 3

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

May your time of peace be soon. May your time of laughter come again quickly.

I know sometimes nothing helps. If it is that time, forgive me. I was never good at knowing the proper time for silence.

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I think sometimes about all the pain in the world. I hope we can ease that here, even if only a little bit.
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Neak, t&l, AJ, Neaksis, and family

just thinking of and praying for you today.


Life may feel as if you are constantly getting kicked on a daily basis, living is about picking yourself up each day and going on and on and on regardless.

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Neak, AJ, T&L, NeakSis and family.

I am stunned by your loss.

I am thinking of you and praying for you.

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Well, Neak, Neaksis, and I have spent, for people who are attending a funeral tomorrow, a surprising amount of time tonight laughing (on the phone) at a variety of odd things which have occurred. Which is good, since we've spent sufficient time crying, too, and it's nice to know that the capability for laughter is still there...even though there'll be weeping to spare tomorrow.

Let me say again how kind it has been for all of you to remember us in your thoughts and prayers. We appreciate you all more than you could possibly know.

t&l

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the proper time for silence.

There's a proper time for silence? Who knew? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Wish I'd learned that earlier in life. Coulda saved myself a LOT of pilikea (trouble)!

t&l

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If there comes a time for silence, I'll let y'all know. It hasn't happened yet in 33 years, so today and tomorrow don't look promising, either. (What's that you say about apples falling from trees?)

Not much energy to post yet, though if I don't start by the end of the weekend something is liable to rupture. Just know that I read everything and find it very comforting. Don't worry about saying the wrong thing; you would have to try very hard to offend me. For the record, my definition of empty platitudes is, e.g., when the lady from the pathology lab said she was sorry for my loss. She sounded sincere, it did not upset me, but did not particularly warm me either. It was just kind of shrug, thank you, shrug again. Whatever. I know that every word here is heartfelt, and I thank you. Much more sincerely than I thanked Ms. Path.

The man thing was soooo funny, a whole bunch of lol's on that one. Almost rofl! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So true, all of it. Where can I sign AJ up?

Must go prepare for the day. TTYL.

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t&l

yes I usually find I can TALK myself into trouble <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

There is a simple prayer I said today for the family of one of Aussies mates who was killed this week. Perhaps it will help ........... I do hope so.

Almighty God, Father of mercies and giver of all comfort; Deal graciously, we pray thee, with all those who mourn, that, casting every care on thee, they may know the consolation of thy love; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

I wish I could give more comfort. But to find some laughter as you have is very good for you all. Its healthy & its loving. God bless you all.

love

AW


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