I've also watched people always. Nowadays I watch people of my age or slightly older and I see so much guilt and resentment and despair. I don't want to become like that... and I thank God that I don't feel guilty about anything serious...


Yes, I am OK most of the time when I am in public, but I keep a lot of time for myself. I don't want to be away from myself, I have a lot to learn, to grow.

But I should get better organized and do some more things. That is my intention for the next weeks.

Thank you for the Happy Birthday.
I will be happy some day. I know it can be done and I always seem to be on the brink of being happy finally, but it hasn't happened yet. I have hope, because I know that it can be reached, whatever has happened or is happening or may happen. I lived it many years ago and I'm sure I can do it again.

Thanks for the prayers. I appreciate them very much. Lots of people pray for me and I'm very grateful.

CC - have you ever considered that the concept of 'happiness' is nebulous and glorified? That we have such a grand and glorious image of happiness that it has become elusive and unattainable? Perhaps, you may see your current state and think the 'grass is always greener on the other side of the fence'? Maybe this happiness which you seek, which you can't find, is really an airbrushed image - a photoshopped image - maybe it doesn't exist the way you see it in your mind's eye.

Perhaps we have been sold a bill of goods on the concept of happiness. Just like, in my opinion, we have been sold a bill of goods on beauty. How many 'beautiful' people in magazines have had surgical alterations? How many of those photographs have been retouched? How many of those people whom we think to be beautiful have personal issues and do not see themselves as beautiful?

Could it be that many of us are "happiness anorexic"?

In going through my divorce, I learned that there are many secrets hidden behind your neighbors' doors. So many people were shocked when my x bailed because we seemed to have it all. Two children, nice car, home in nice neighborhood, I was a SAHM - it all looked so right. But, I couldn't even see that he was not fully in the marriage and hadn't been for years. Of course, we looked happy. But maybe I was putting on that 'happy face' when I didn't really have a happy heart.

Even after all these years, I still have some anger over my divorce. Most of the time, I don't. Most of the time, I'm ok. So, I think I'm happy - not absolutely, totally, deliriously, completely happy BUT, in total, I am happy as a divorced woman. Sure, life isn't perfect. I haven't moved up socially. I haven't moved up economically - I've definitely moved down. I have to work now. I have no one to do all those jobs around the house that are beyond me - yard work, plumbing, electrical stuff, home repairs, car repairs, no one to hear me when I am fearful or overwhelmed. So, there are some parts of this life that really stink. But, I can't dwell on that. I have chosen to look at the fact the air doesn't change every evening when my husband arrives home. I don't have to walk on pins and needles - afraid that I will do something that will displease him and have him cut me down again.

Nope, my relationship w/ my x is not perfect. I am lucky that his current wife was not a figure in his exit from the marriage. Yes, I'm lucky that his wife has always been respectful toward me and has even stood up to him, on my behalf, when he was disrespectful toward me. She even did it in front of the children. She straightens our teenagers out when they treat me disrespectully in front of her.

I have learned that when I treat my x with respect, I feel better about myself. I don't always treat him kindly because he deserves it. There are plenty of times when it is an act. However, if I treat him disrespectully, who have I made look bad? He's such a narrow-minded, rigid person, that he probably still doesn't know what a good woman he nearly crushed.

So, if you aren't happy, what is holding you back? Have you still not forgiven your x? Have you still not forgiven yourself? (I had to forgive myself for my shortcomings before I could forgive him.) Are you looking at your imperfections and not seeing the beautiful woman you are - the woman of worth and value? Besides, who said you have to be perfect? Do you know anyone who is perfect?

(You said you should be better organized and do some more things. There will always be more things to do or accomplish. I once heard that you shouldn't 'should on yourself'. Are you looking at those things you wish to accomplish and focusing on your inadequacies instead of your talents? Do you see yourself in the negative light of the things not yet done or in the positive light of your abilities?)

So, have you looked inward to see what healing you need so that you can more fully embrace the blessings of this life you now have?

Cinder, thank you for your post. It makes me think and there's a lot I'd like to tell you but unfortunately, I have to go to work and I can't write from there. I must have gone to sleep just before you posted last night.

I'll try to answer today.
One thing though, the "happiness" I refer to is a state of contentment that I experienced about 30 years ago. I know how it feels, and it's regardless of mundaine things. It's a state that I would like to acquire for the rest of my life and that's what I aim for.

I'll write later.

I know there is lots more to your story than I know. But, perhaps the person you are today is not going to find that happiness you had long ago. You have had more life experiences. You can't go back to 30 years ago. You live in today. And today's happiness may not look like the happiness of 40 years ago.

Perhaps you see that happiness as full and complete when, if you could go back, you would see that it not as you remember it.

So, what is really holding you back?

I'm just trying to say that you can't keep waiting to emerge from today's world into utopian happiness.

Can you not see and embrace the happiness you have now? And walk through today's happiness toward the future with confidence that you are presently happy and that it will grow?

Would you know happiness if it were to walk up to you and introduce itself?

Have you considered the fact that you may be dealing with clinical depression?

Are you waiting for someone else to make you happy?

What items are on your 'do this and you will be happy' list?

I may not have explained myself very well. I'm talking about an inner happiness. I hope I can feel that again. That time 30 years ago I got it from reading Barry Kaufmann's (I think that's his name)"To love is to be happy with". Later on I have found it described by Tony de Mello and others.
Outwardly and publicly I am generally a "happy" person. I appreciate all the good things in my life. But it's a deeper happiness that I strive for.

I am in peace. I rarely get angry or anxious and when I do it barely lasts a few minutes. That is something I have acquired these last few years. But I hope for more...



I have consiered this but I have no clinical symptoms! I went to a psychiatrist one year after starting plan B because I had a lot of anxiety, but not really many signs of clinical depression. I knew he would offer me antidepressants and I took them for 6 months and the anxiety went away. The doctor and I agreed that it asn't necessary to take them any more.

I also considered counseling. Peck says you should consider counseling when you are stuck. I'm sure I'm not stuck, I seem to be growing spiritually and mentally. I'm stuck in other situations which counseling would not solve: my job is not fulfilling, and it's not easy to get another one although I've tried; I live in a third world country surrounded by mediocrity and corruption which sicken me and yet what can I do? I keep getting in trouble because I am honest and try my best. I'd love to be able to go to another country but I haven't found a way yet. I've tried.

I'm obviously stuck in the middle of being married and not married but as Dr. Harley himself said, I am probably financially better off not divorcing WH for the moment. The other reason I don't initiate the divorce is because that's exactly what HE WANTS me to do, so he can the say that it was MY decision and he's not to be blamed for the divorce. that has been his modus operandi as long as I've known him.



I hope not!!!! I don't believe anyone can make me happy, I may be happier with someone, there are many experiences I would love to have that necessarily include others but not "someone". I am catholic and I will not remarry. It's until death do us part. But friendships are not excluded....

I hope this makes things a little clearer.


True that not talking much to WH when I met him at the airport may not be very "normal" but after 3 years I really feel he is a stranger. What would we have talked about? He either didn't really have much to talk to me about or maybe it was my mother's presence which threw him off and he didn't speak.
One of the last days he was at home, I asked him to talk about the separation and what would happen and he answered that there was nothing to talk about! And since then he hasn't felt the need to speak at all... Anyway, his purpose was supposed to be to say goodbye to DD.


I really prefer not to see him. I prefer not to hate him. Time and distance should help me to reach indifference.

I sent the email, then I realized that everyone might not use a browser (or email client) that doesn't download photos right away. I may have caused a problem with a long download, and if I did, I am very sorry.

It was interesting to read Cinderella, and CC's comments. It's not always easy to put our feelings about things into words.

I have an idea.
CC, are there songs that articulate your feelings, and would you mind telling us what they are? Maybe that's not right either. Are there songs that bring out the feelings?

SS

*tiptoeing, so as not to disturb this lovely and profound discussion*

AJ Saw This Guy Go Down

Glad he is back in custody.

Hope things are well at your house.

SS

SS I have a favprite songs play list and yes they do articulate my feelings. I don't have it here because I play it at work. I'll look at it tomorrow and let you know.
The latest song I added is a Church song which I found absolutely beautiful. Unfortunately the only way to get it was to buy the cd in England but luckily DD was going there so I hope she can get it for me. I'll send it your e mail...

CC, I don't want you to think I was being hard on you. You ended up saying a lot of things I was hoping you would say. What is the song? I live in a city full of religiously oriented music - there is gospel and contemporary Christian. You name it, we have that kind of music with a religious theme. Let me know if your DD can't find it. I bet I may be able to find some version of it.

Neak, lets hope he enjoys a long stay in his next residence.

CC, I found something for you......

I was going through a horrible time a few years ago. My 14yo daughter wanted to go live w/ her dad. I thought I was going to die from the pain. (Long story short, she spent 8 days in an adolescent psychiatric hospital, finally spilled the beans on what was behind her struggles, and got the help she need so that she is now doing fine.)

Anyway, one day, I had the radio on and I heard this song. It was like God was speaking to me.....I knew that He loved me and I would be ok. I wasn't sure what ok would be like but I would be ok.

"More" by Matthew West

Take a look at the mountains Stretching a mile high
Take a look at the ocean Far as your eye can see
And think of Me

Take a look at the desert Do you feel like a grain of sand?
I am with you wherever

Where you go is where I am
And I'm always thinking of you
Take a look around you
I'm spelling it out one by one

I love you more than the sun
And the stars that I taught how to shine
You are mine, and you shine for me too
I love you yesterday and today And tomorrow,
I'll say it again and again
I love you more

Just a face in the city Just a tear on a crowded street
But you are one in a million And you belong to Me
And I want you to know That I'm not letting go
Even when you come undone

I love you more than the sun
And the stars that I taught how to shine
You are mine, and you shine for me too
I love you yesterday and today And tomorrow,
I'll say it again and again

I love you more I love you more
Shine for Me Shine for Me Shine on,
shine on Shine for Me

I love you more than the sun
And the stars that I taught how to shine
You are mine, and you shine for me too
I love you yesterday and today And tomorrow,
I'll say it again and again
I love you more than the sun
And the stars that I taught how to shine
You are mine, and you shine for me too

I love you, yesterday and today
Through the joy and the pain
I'll say it again and again I love you more
I love you more

And I see you
And I made you
And I love you more than you can imagine
More than you can fathom

I love you more than the sun
And you shine for me

Cinder, that is a BEAUTIFUL SONG! Do you have it on mp3? I'd love to hear it.
The song I heard is Bread of Life by Stanley and Boyce. If you give me an e mail addres I can send you the mp3 with the meditation where they play the song.

I learned God loves me, in these last two years. I started going rgularly to Church and even though the experience has not been all good, God has not let me down. On the contrary, all my life I have suspected he is involved in my life and now I know. And I am very fortunate because I can appreciate how much He cares for me.
Last year I had a dream. I don't remember the details, but when I woke up I felt that God was telling me that I would do things that were right and that I would make many mistakes but that I was on the right track, I was trying to do the right thing and He was with me. Since then I just keep trying.

Just to show what I mean by living in a 3rd world country where mediocrity is the accepted way of doing things: once I went to mass, the candles were lit, there were a handful of faithful waiting and the man who lit the candles came and told us that the priest had sent a message eaying he was not going to come down to celebrate because he had too many papers to read so to go somewhere else!
Another night I went to a different Church and the priest was an old man who could barely see and therefore couldn't read the prayers, but the rest of whatever went on was not recognizable as "liturgy".
No where can I find the mass schedules for the churches. You have to go to them and cross you fingers that you go at the time they are open because otherwise the gates are closed and there is no way to find out at what time mass is because the sign, if it exists is inside... Ridiculous, but that's how it is.
More than a YEAR ago I decided to offer the Bishop to find out mass schedules so that he could put them up on his web page... He never answered my dozens of e mails nor a letter I wrote to him. His web page was showing his 2006 Xmas homily until last week! It's very frustrating...not doing anything about things or trying to do something. Most of the time it doesn't make a difference, but I can't help trying.

I don't want to complain any more about the Church. I just try to enjoy the good stuff, the good choirs, the nicer masses and stay away from all the ugly...


Thank you and you weren't hard on me. My context is a little different bcause of where I live and maybe you didn't know that. Infidelity may not be exactly the same either, Dr. H told me that. He thinks WH has a mistress and not a lover, and didn't give me much hope.

Hi CC, Rella, Neak & gang and SS ..... CC that Hymn you are after .. is that called "I am the bread of life (I will raise him up)" ?????....the one by John Talbot I think??? if so I have a MP3 of it from my daughter who had to learn it for the church choir ... it really is a restful hymn too and they sing it during Communion quite often at church.

If you want it let me know and I can email to you soon as I get Liz to find it for me. We had a bit of a family tragedy today and I think she is more affected than I first thought so I may have to have a talk to her for a while..... might be day or so before I get to email it.
right now I need to go hug my H and have him hold me for a while. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Hi AW,
I'm sorry you're having a sad day.

No it's not that hymn but I would love to hear it if you send it to me.

this one says:
Bread of life
Truth eternal
Broken now
to set us free
The risen Christ
His saving power
is here in bread and wine for me.

it was written and performed by a british duo Stanley and Boyce.

if you want I'll e mail the meditation it's in to you.

I often wonder just how much I ought to say....... about so many things.

Cinderella, you have a lot to say, (and you say it so well) but you are most often the master of the short comment. I would guess that is because you need at least a few hours of sleep at night, after dealing with every thing else you have to deal with.

CC, you are such an interesting person. You want so much to do what is right, and what is best. I am so sorry it is a struggle in as many ways as it is. I know the tests are different for all of us though, and yours will fit well, and not be more than you can bear. I believe you know that too, , and that knowing adds some measure of comfort, but it doesn't make it easy.

T&L struggles with her own cross. She talked a lot about the early years, and I believe she has come to terms with the "test" part of life. That is, she realizes it will be difficult, and she has resigned her self to it. I just hope it doesn't weigh so heavily on any of you that you feel it will never get better, or never end.

AW has her moments too. We don't know what it is right now, but life will challenge us, and we rise or fall depending on how we face it.

I know all of you have your methods of coping. It was so good to see what Cinderella wrote to CC. You gals have a lot of common ground - you have been through the same experience.

I have not been through it myself. Sometimes I wonder why I stick around this thread, as I am on MB very little these days. My goal is to strengthen faith, and I hope I can help with that in some small way.

Well, that is all background for the rest of this.

I asked CC about music, because it is an indicator of sorts.

What kind of music triggers doubts and brings back our fears?

What kind of music encourages us, and talks to us of our dreams?

What smooths out bad days?
Takes away the blues?
Helps us get back in good moods?

Of course, by it's self, music has a difficult time doing any of this. We usually supply the base feelings, and music augments them.

Sometimes we are down, and we want to have a pity party, so we don't turn off the things that trigger us, or we even will seek them out - and wallow in our feelings.

Often we realize that we need help to lift ourselves up, and we seek out music that aids us. Things that uplift, with a happy beat, and words that bring joy, or help us remember happier times.

CC, what you sent is in the latter category. I was wondering if there were any music that explained the feeling you have - that something is still missing. Sometimes it's very difficult to explain those feelings, because we don't understand them ourselves. We feel the lack, but we can't identify exactly where it comes from, or what will take it away.

We have to look at our lives for the answers........

When we look at others, it is often easy to see things. When we look at ourselves, it is most often much more difficult. I am not just talking about things we do wrong.

CC has so much going for her. She has expressed that in public, she is outgoing, and looks like she is doing well. That means (to me) that in private, she has doubts, and wonders about a lot of things. I think it is good that you have shared with us CC, I think it helps when we do that. I also know that it is very, very difficult to share, even with strangers. When you hardly knew us, it was easier, but the better (this applies to most people) we know someone, the less comfortable many of us are with talking about personal things with them.

These things are interesting to me.......... after all, the relationships, and friendships we make here are one of the few things we can take with us into the next life. I am learning a lot by talking to all of you.

I have seen people say (many times) here on MB that we shouldn't look for a relationship to make us happy, we should be happy in and of ourselves, and then the relationship can help ADD to our happiness. I think it is in Genesis that God says "it is not good that the man should be alone." My personal opinion is that it applies to women too. I think we are meant to have a companion. I believe the OT calls it a "helpmeet."

Perhaps that term explains it best.
"a help as his counterpart" = a help suitable to him"
I see marriage as a partnership. I see my W and I as equal partners. One is not more important than the other. We have different responsibilities, but equal voice. I can't imagine going back to doing things alone.

Now, many of you don't have the option that I have. You really do have to find happiness though. I believe it can be done. All things (that are good) are possible through the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe everyone can be happy in that context. It's just that the "not good for man to be alone" is always with us, and we are aware of it as we go along.

We can be happy, and then, we can be happy. Sometimes we have the first, but not the second.

I am wondering if CC is happy, but feels the loss. It's more difficult when one doesn't know if one can ever get it back. Cinderella, I think you have some hope there.

Of course, even in a healthy marriage there are problems. Then, there are unhealthy marriages. I know women who are married, who have no hope of ever having a good relationship. That applies to some men also.

The way to happiness may be simple, but not always easy.
Simple? Yes, you just do the things that bring happiness.

Easy?
Did that make you smile?

My faith helps with this -
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."
"In this world, you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have over come the world."
"How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publish peace. That sayeth unto Zion, thy God reigneth."

CC, I think your music, and associated meditation are probably great helps. You KNOW that God is real, even if things on this world are less than perfect. I am glad that you know. I hope it brings you strength.

Once I told you to keep dreaming. Not at night, but when you think of your future. I do believe that you can have the full measure of happiness that you wish for. I hope you will keep praying for God help you find it.

Often we have too little faith. This is not trying to take away from anyone - what did the man say who came to have his child healed? "Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief."
Probably all of us need our faith strengthened as we go along, as we continue to meet the tests of life.

I hope you use all the tools that are there for you to use.
Prayer, scripture study, meditation, music, and interaction with other like minded people, just to name a few. I pray for all of you daily.

(Note, the first time through, I had the word medication, in place of meditation. Was that a Freudian slip?)

SS

true, I can't imagine thinking not doing what is best and always good, not bad, but I'm not the only one. Context is very important. When I lived in Canada 21 years ago for 9 months, my main remark about the experience was that you couldn't be mean or bad there! Everyone seemed to be kind, and helpful, and cheerful. I kept thinking that no one really needed to go to confession much over there. It was hard to be mean or selfish! And I felt comfortable, very comfortable.
In my country it's quite the opposite and that is the main difficulty, and hard to solve too.

an everyday example: people don't get to work on time, just about never! If I say something about it there will be all sort of excuses and I would be considered "hard", critical, not compassionate etc. It makes you doubt that being punctual or on time is the right thing to do. This is an every day, all sorts of situations thing! Can drive you crazy!!!!! unless you know it will probably be that way and then you are happy when things happen on time, you are pleasantly surprised!

because we want you to! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
we'd go get you if you didn't come.


Music can make me nauseous! It really gets to me. I generally like sad love songs. One singer I like to listen to, (but not see), is Julio Iglesias, and partly it's because I believe (and this is totally a personal opinion) he has sung his heart out. A few years ago, about 20 or more years after his divorce he had a new cd called "divorce". when I saw it my first thought was that maybe he has now gotten over it! But I'm not sure he has got over his first wife, in spite of everything that has happened. She remarried at least twice and has a child from each new marriage. He never reamarried but has 5 children with his longtime GF! Being a spaniard I would bet he was or is a catholic, but even that cannot explain by itself the fact that he never remarried and that most of his songs speak of longing, of loneliness, of fear, of love, past love, life...Some are desperate, others are love songs.

I also like Shania Twain, Gordon Lightfoot, Bryan Adams, a spanish singer called Rosana who also sings mostly love songs about missing the lover, and quite a few others.

Many songs. But why wallow in these feelings here? It's not something that it is useful to share...



I used to worry about all these doubts and worries, but Peck explained to me that it is actually a good thing, so I don't worry any more! Now I enjoy doubts and wondering...In a very simplified way, it means I care and I want to care. So now I can live peacefully with my doubts and wonderings.

I was always astounded about the personal things people talked about and felt that I was the one not able to share personal stuff. Now I think that I don't mind sharing as long as the recipient cares, and most people on MB CARE, so it's easy for me to share.
With the people in the group I told you about I tried to share but they weren't honestly interested, they each had their own reasons for bringing up the subject of infidelity... but with the friend who is now suffering it, things have radically changed. Now I know she cares so I am able to share much more with her. And she shares things with me that she never said before, she had actually said opposite things during the "general conversation".
Personally, and this is solely due to God's grace, I have nothing to hide. I am very fortunate, very, and I realize that, and I am very grateful. That is THE main reason I started going to daily mass: to say thank you. Now I'm hooked.

Actually I partially agree with you in this. I agree that MAN should not be alone, but I believe that for women it is not as necessary. Dr. Harley has pointed out that women thrive after divorce whereas men are a disaster. Those are part of the differences between men and women. And I believe he is right because it has been what I have noticed so it's easy to believe. This doesn't mean that I don't think that women shouldn't have a husband. On the contrary marriage is the way to achieve the highest levels of human development, according to God and Dr. Harley and probably many others.
I believe that.
There is something missing in me...and that is undeniable. And I don't think it is something that will just go away, or is replaceable. Other kinds of relationships might exist but THE marriage is not replaceable, ignorable, forgettable etc.

Once someone on MB asked if one would have married their spouse knowing what they now knew. I couldn’t imagine not marrying my husband, even if I had known that he would be unfaithful. “Something” joined me to him. I couldn’t give you specific reasons for marrying him, but I could make a list of the things “in spite of “ which I married him. And I don’t regret marrying him, even now. Of course there are things I wish I had done, some I regret doing, but I don’t regret marrying him. And I’m still his wife.

Yes He does bring me strength.

But it was on MB that I learned that God never asks more than you are capable of. And whether that is true or not, if I believe it (and I do) it will be true, and therefore everything is possible (through Jesus).

I’m not very good at meditation but I’ve been following Pray as you go faithfully for a whole year now. Interaction with like minded people is only on the internet for now, but I have hope of finding live people who are like minded to talk to!

Haven't read everything tonight....

CC, I would love to hear the song.

I have an artist to suggest for you. Amy Grant - she grew up in my town but she has a beautiful voice. She's in her 40s now and has been singing professionally for over 20 years.

Here's a "Mercy Me" song for you. It's entitled "I Can Only Imagine"

I can only imagine
What it will be like
When I walk
By your side

I can only imagine
What my eyes will see
When your face
Is before me
I can only imagine

CHORUS:
Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When that day comes
And I find myself
Standing in the Son

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever
Forever worship You
I can only imagine

Found you an Amy Grant song - it's called "Thy Word"

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path.

When I feel afraid,
And think Ive lost my way.
Still, youre there right beside me.
Nothing will I fear
As long as you are near;
Please be near me to the end.

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path.

I will not forget
Your love for me and yet,
My heart forever is wandering.
Jesus by my guide,
And hold me to your side,
And I will love you to the end.

Nothing will I fear
As long as you are near;
Please be near me to the end.

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path.
And a light unto my path.
Youre the light unto my path.

One more song....feeling worse....gotta go to bed EARLY and I'm gonna take my cough medicine. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


EVERYTHING GLORIOUS

The day is brighter here with You
The night is lighter than its hue
Would lead me to believe
Which leads me to believe

(chorus)
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
And I am Yours
What does that make me?

My eyes are small but they have seen
the beauty of enormous things
Which leads me to believe
there's light enough to see that

(chorus)
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
And I am Yours

From glory to glory
You are glorious You are glorious
From glory to glory
You are glorious. You are glorious
Which leads me to believe
why I can believe that


You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
And I am Yours
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
You make everything glorious
And I am Yours

From glory to glory From glory to glory
You are glorious. You are glorious.
You are glorious. You are glorious.



by Dave Crowder Band

Thank you Cinder. They look like lovely songs, lovely lyrics. But how do I get the music?
And I would send you the one I have but you haven't sent me an e mail address... maybe it's because you're not feeling well. I hope you're better today.

found Amy Grant on Ares, so I will be able to listen !!!!