I noticed on mortarman's husbands and wives thread that you had read John Eldredge's "Wild At Heart." I've read about three or four chapters in it, and all of his and his wife Stasi's companion book for women "Captivating."

Interested in cussin' and discussin'? I like your no-holds-barred take on things.

If you're too covered up, or just not interested, that's cool, as well.

I haven't read this yet!

Susan is reading it now .... she has mentioned some of her thoughts about the book to me in email ... but right now, I am a blank page as far as this particular book goes ... ask Susan!

Pep<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

PS ... don't shoot me! ~LOL~

I'm reading it now. Just started chapter nine last night, Arousing Adam. I am enjoying this part. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Susan <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Suz: What did you think of Chapter 5: A Special Hatred? Explains a lot, don't it?

I'll comment later when I get home and look back at that chapter.

Susan

I've in the middle of Captivating and am getting a group of friends together to read it out loud over the course of the summer. ild At Heat discussed every man's question, and Captivating discusses every woman's question.

I thought "A Special Hatred" was very interesting and how the attack can make us completely blind to our gifts, or encourages us to hide our gifts.

At one point in Captivating it says that a lot of men engage in affairs when they look to a woman to answer their question insead of God. As long as you look to the material world to fulfill and complete you, we will always hunger for more. Only God can fulfill us.

There are a lot of descriptions of God being our faithful lover and that we betray that love over and over again. How can A's bring you closer to God?

Loy: I personally related a lot to the stuff about hiding. It was eerily on-target in my case.

Obviously, affairs can't bring you closer to God. I do think affairs are often a result of a man wanting someone flesh-and-blood to tell him he's got what it takes as a man. It's much easier to find a woman willing to do that than to seek out God's answer to that question.

I did not mean that As bring you closer to God. But that how God desires us or is faithful to us. There might be something in that. I know that God is not human, but to know that God grieves over my faithlessness, waits for me. That for God I am wayward and he loves me still. That is waht I was talking about.

I'm not talking about it very well, which is why I was trying to ask a general question to help me figure out what is is that God wants me to learn from this pain. Of course, what God wants me to seek out, is Him. He wants me to come closer to Him. He wants me to desire Him as much as He desires Him.

As a BS, it means a lot to me just how much God desires me and is waiting. But this is a new way for me to try and approach God.

Sorry, I mistook your meaning. Yes, a lot of times in the Bible, a spouse with an unfaithful partner is used as a metaphor and symbol of God and his beloved. He's both patient Father and spurned Husband to all of us. It's very humbling.

The assault on femnininity...points from Chapter 5:

You (women) are hated because of your beauty and power.

Most women feel alone. Women fear being abandoned by the men in their lives - and they fear it from other women as well. That they will be abandoned by their friends and left alone.

hummm...do you feel this?

Susan <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I could most definitely relate to their description of how most of us are convinced that instead of being attacked because of our "beauty and power," we're attacked because we're either evil incarnate succubuses (succubi? what?) or worthless chattel. I've never before seen Satan's attack on women presented from that perspective before, and I do believe it's a valid and probably fairly accurate one. Satan fell because of his beauty--so he attacks the image of God's beauty in humanity: woman. Satan is a murderer: so he attacks the "life giving" side of humanity with particular vengeance. Makes sense to me.

And yes, that feeling of aloneness and impending abandonment is a familiar one to me, although I don't feel that way particularly right now.

But didn't you feel rather particularly queenly during the description of the creation of Eve? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />