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#1402643 06/11/05 02:20 PM
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So here’s my current sordid tale of woe, LOL. And I’m laughing at my self by the way, not the situation. It’s a sardonic kind of laugh that recognizes myself a rather laughable object of derision at this point. Besides, laughing at myself helps…I don’t know why but it just does.

In any case my most immediate challenge is to tell this story with the necessary details needed to give you folks an accurate over view; but to do it in less then 10 trillion words.

So here it is in a nutshell, (a long nut shells for sure),…So if any of you guys don’t feel like trudging through this mess, please don’t feel any obligated. In fact, while I always enjoy reading thoughts and comments from all of you, no response is really required at this point at all. Writing this is really the only therapy I require…like a rat in a trap…who knows the situation is hopeless…but struggles with it never the less…hoping at the very least to just understand.

So lets go back a few months (9 to be exact), to a trip my darling wife and I took back home to NYC. Laura my middle daughter who lives in San Francisco and is a PhD in physiology by the way, had flown east to meat us and celebrates the fact that she just became engaged. Her intended was with her and we were going to take her and her young man out to dinner at a rather pricy French restaurant called La Goulet, on Madison…very good!

My oldest daughter (who lives in NY) said she couldn’t make it and my youngest daughter couldn’t get into town…she was dragon boat racing that weekend; (she lives in Portland). My son was in Europe as was my other daughter (I have 4!).

So at the last minute Alyssa decides that she can make it and comes along with her husband and 3 children (all very young) so now we’re 9 for dinner. And then surprise, surprise Jill shows up, (the dragon boat race was put off or some such [censored]) so she surprises us and now we’re 10! Ok, so its family party so what?…I decide to take 2nd mortgage out on my condo in FL. and not give it another thought! LOL

So as my lovely Laura and her fiancé arrive, she is accompanied by another one of her old friends from NY, her husband and her parents! Hummm, 14, which La Goulet can not seat. So as the “party” stands at the bar drinking wine, yours truly is on the phone making a new reservation at Carmines up on the west side. It’s a family style Italian restaurant know for its quality and huge portions and can be hard to get into sometimes but I was lucky and so a $350 bar tap and 4 cabs latter, we all arrive and get seated.

Now here’s the good part. The parents of Laura’s friend live in the DC area. She’s an executive in the insurance industry or some such crap and he’s a full professor of English Literature at Georgetown. She is quite attractive…quite…(does the word Hot mean anything?) and so is he; yuk! Rather tall, about 2 inches taller then my 5’ 11,” very thin and distinguished looking…think Gregory Peck and you’ll get the idea. He’s looking over my daughter’s like they’re the appetizer and his wife is chatting up Laura’s fiancé and Alyssa’s husband. Very touchy feely?…So Ok, no big deal…except the check which of course I pick up…(talk about pain!)

However, during the course of the evening the Prof mentions that he is leaving Georgetown to accept a fully tenured position at Cal State, Davie (sorry bout the spelling). So he will be going out there the following Monday to take up residence. His wife will wait until the end of the prep school term (some strange 3 or 4 term program) which their son attends and then follow him…this all to take place at the end of March.

So, I pay (did I mention that before) and off they all go while I silently weep at my severely diminished financial status…and of course the Prof and his wife insist that when we next go west to visit Laura, that we must call so that they can return the favor and entertain us. Nice gesture but who cares.

And my darling Laura is just gushing over the sexy Prof while she and her friend, (the Pro’s daughter) discuss the bad attitude of the prof’s wife and how difficult she’s been about the up coming move.

So it seems that their marriage was in some difficulty but they both agreed that his new position was a can’t turn down offer and so it went. Until about a month ago when I hear my wife on the phone, discussing the Prof’s marriage with Laura. It seems that his wife has kept putting off the move, claiming that their son was reacting badly to making the transition. So now the Prof has been alone out there for about 4 months and the conversation between my wife and Daughter is about how foolish, mean, and yatta, yatta, yatta the Prof’s wife is and how sad and lonely the Prof has been and so for the and so on.
And me, being the sensitive man that I am, LOL, LMAO, couldn’t care less and pay no further attention.

So now we come to Monday of this week. My darling wife is flying west to attend the last (thank you God for this at least) engagement party for Laura. It was Tuesday night, compliments of the groom’s family; they are very nice. I couldn’t attend (being that some one has to work ‘cause Weddings are expensive) but my wife is rich I guess so off she went.

Now my wife and I have certain special rules in place, which we fastidiously observe when ever we are apart…especially in light of a certain incident that took place almost 7 years ago! I mean, this is stuff that’s written in stone! You know, the “so it is written and so it shall be” kind of stuff?

The rules are really kind of simple. She calls me every morning at 7:00 AM no matter what. She calls me at noon, everyday, no matter what. She calls me every day at 8:00 PM no matter what. She calls me every night before she goes to bed, no matter what!

4 calls a day is the rule and she answers any and all questions honestly and with out equivocation during these calls. And by the way, the same deal stands for me as well.

So during my Tuesday night call 9after the party) she tells me that she and Donna (mother of the groom) are planning a next day “day trip” to wine country. She is staying at Laura’s by the way and I tell her to have a good time.

So Wednesday morning I get my call and she tells me that she’s off. At noon I get my noon call and she tells me that she and Donna are having such a great time that they are thinking of making it an overnight trip. So, OK I tell her to have fun and so on. It’s Wednesday night and I get NO 8:00 PM call. Worse yet, she isn’t answering her cell phone. I’m a bit troubled but give her a pass thinking she and Donna may still be at dinner and things possibly just slipped her mind. My cell rings at 10:00 and she apologizes to me for missing her call to me and explains that she just lost track of time.

So it’s now 11:00 PM and I don’t think any more of it (she just called me an hour ago after all) but then my phone rings showing it’s Laura calling. She’s worried because she hasn’t herd from her mom all day and wants to know if I had and…she wants to know where her mother is. I tell her yes I herd from her and not to worry but that I don’t see what her problem is anyway. I tell her that she and Donna are staying over night in wine country and hasn’t Donna checked in with her husband to let him know?

Laura then asks what the hell Donna has to do with anything and what the hell wine country has to do with anything? She tells me that her mom had accepted an invitation from the Prof to visit him and tour Cal Davie for the day and was expected home hours ago!

Now understand, she is visiting him, the Prof…his wife is back home in DC. So I tell Laura that if she’s concerned, to call her mother and find out what’s going on. She says that she’s been trying to do that but mom’s phone is turned off. So I suggest that she call the Prof and ask to speak with her mom,…just to be sure that her mom is ok of course…and to ONLY call me back if her mom is still missing or has run into some problem. ‘Cause at that point, I really don’t want to speak with any one!

Well 10 minutes later Laura calls me back and simply tells me that she spoke to her Mom, that she is OK and that she will be calling me in just a few minutes…at which point I thanked Laura and then turned off my phone!

And in that I’m such a mature man, I haven’t spoken to my wife since. LOL I have spoken to Laura, however, who called to let me know that her mother would be home Friday night (last night) instead of Sunday night and said that she understands that I’m angry but that I should really speak to her mom.

I said thank you and good by to Laura and took my dog for a long ride up to Martin County last night. Stayed over night on Indian River at great Marriot that allows dogs and is right on the beach. They also have computer access so I managed to entertain myself for the evening; and I just got home. My cell has been off all this time and to be honest, I haven’t even listened to V/M messages from her…about 10 of them. She is not home now but when she gets here, it should be entertaining. LOL

So, that’s where I am right now. But I’m determined not to loose my temper, or say one mean or threatening words. I will instead listen to everything she has to tell me and say nothing UNTIL I have the whole story! Then I have plenty to say but it will be in my own way and in my own time…and I will say it when I decide what I really want or don’t want to do…but there is one thing for sure…she had better not try to touch me or kiss me. My stomach couldn’t take it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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Hi, coach.

I am really sorry for your pain.

I read one of your posts a few days ago where you were wondering how your wife could do certain things. I have wanted to write you back with some potential answers, but they would not have been for general consumption.

If you would care to discuss any of this, you can reach me at
nine-sense@hotmail.com

If you decide not to, that is of course, no problem.

God bless,
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Dearest Coach,
I am sooo sorry and sad for you.
I am glad that you were able to find out the truth about where she was instead of the bulls---- she was trying to shovel your way. Better sooner than later.

I can not think of one good explanation that she could come up with to explain this away. I am sure she is working on a doosy. This sucks.


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Coach -

YIKES! I had to read the story 3 times to figure it out. So your wife has (at the very least) lied to you. Also she decided to spend the night in "wine country". That is very worrisome.

Also not calling you as agreed and turning off her cell phone set off big red flags for me.

I'm sorry you are going through this.

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Coach, I always read your posts and just wanted to say that I am hurting for you. {{coach}} <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Coach:

Sorry for the new revealtion. You usually post awesome advice and pull no punches. It is no small suprise that I liek that style. You are one of the people here that I most like reading advice from. I hope that you can find a way to DO exactly what you would advise one of us to do in your situation. I know that you would know what to do and say if it was one of us asking for help here. Please do NOT treat yourself any differently.

Hoping for the best for you.

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Coach, I am darn sorry about all this. I know you know what to do, so I won't even go there. Come back and keep us posted. I will say a prayer for ya.


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Hi coach,

I also read the post twice just to be sure what I was seeing.And for only the 4th time in MB history for me,my jaw dropped.The whole cell phone being off too brought back some bad memories.GRRRRR.

So,inappropriate behavior to the max: cell phone off while away,missed call(broken rule),lying about plans(major!),being with some other man who also is married(major!).Ugh.

Well,let us know how things go coach.I will be interested to see what story she has lined up for you.I'm sorry. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

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No doubt that it will be a doozy. It is amazing what the WS can do and say to us BS all in hopes of carrying on the lies and deceit and betryal. We want SO BAD to believe them that we lose all sense of rationality and buy their pack of B$ lies all in the honest hopes of saving a marriage. I hate INFIDELITY. I f-ing hate it.

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No doubt that it will be a doozy. It is amazing what the WS can do and say to us BS all in hopes of carrying on the lies and deceit and betryal. We want SO BAD to believe them that we lose all sense of rationality and buy their pack of B$ lies all in the honest hopes of saving a marriage. I hate INFIDELITY. I f-ing hate it.


In my opinion there is nothing more un-holy than infidelity. NOTHING in this world could ever do the damage, cause the amount of pain than this kind of thing that so many are and have gone through here.

I keep thinking of Tom Joad (or Ethans) sig line that said "sometimes I wish I were the Tinman cuz then I wouldn't have a heart, and I wouldn't miss you so much".

The tears of clown.

Our Father in Heaven,

Please help Coach through this, and take away the pain that we all know he has right now.

In Jesus' name we pray,
Amen.

I am so sorry Coach. Wish that you weren't having a weekend like this.

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Call the prof's wife and discuss with her ... should make for an interesting wedding party!

Very damn stupid ugly lie she told .... smells bad to me.

sorry....

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{{{{{coach}}}}}}}

I'm sooo sorry <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Stuffs goin' on...but everything's ok...i'm ok...wish i was more hurt then angry though...i just don't understand why i'm not hurting more! want to feel more i guess...or...think i should feel more would be more acurate...

called laura to get phone number of the prof's wife in DC...laura asked if i was sure about wanting that number...told her i'm sure...told her she better not get her butt to much involved in this mess...also told her she better damn well HAVE no involvement in this mess...

ww isn't home yet...hasn't tried to call me again...i sure as hell have no intention of calling her...funny but any one want to bet that she's the one that will be on meds this time?

funny call from cal number...not one i know...get the feeling that it's the Prof is trying to reach me...LOL...damage control time...you may all be sure that i will be happy to speak with him...soooooon...right now i'm feeling mighty ornery...need to be more in control of me...

rapidely getting into into a puckish kind of mindset...feel like doing something totally 180ish...something mean and vindictive, icy, cold,..mischief mean...no hot anger at all...sorry folks but i don't feel like being honest about my feelings with ww, om or dd (for that matter)....feel like being a total [censored] and screwing with people's heads for a while...

not very MBish i know...but what the heck...i did mb last time...thinking this time i'll do something that will create a more lasting kind of memory...for all involved...got to go slow though...want to know it all...all the "whos" that are involved...

no...no mb for any connected to this mess this time...this time it's get even X10...certain folks have got to know once and for all that i will not be screwed around with...this time i don't care if i end up being liked or loved...tired of being everybodys favorite example of understanding...think i'll go for fear and respect this time around.

just using my key board to think my dark thoughts...
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Coach,

I am sorry about the mess you are in.
I too have some sort of vidictive cloud over my head.
Just remember not to get yourself into trouble, keep safe, and keep sane.


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coach...

know what....

I think it is smart for you to be closed off when it comes to expressing your feelings... she could very easily use your feelings to manipulate the situation....

let her stew and ask YOU questions about what's on your mind....

stay cool Coach ... you are one powerful mofo when you remain cool and calm....

so sorry friend.... so sorry

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I gotta 'fess out that I don't even understand all that transpired.

I must be dense in that regard.

But I'm listening, and thinking. Coach, you've contributed so much of your insight and empathy 2 my thread that I owe you that, at least.

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Coach:

What is the update? Sorry for asking, but I am stuck in a call room for the weekend, and in suspense here for you.

Did you even talk to her yet? I admire you being able to be so calm, I would have kicked her out on the f-ing curb with clothes and all. To me, this "violation" is akin to a NFL player on probabtion for drugs failing to show for a drug test. The mere fact that he didn't show is guilt, I tend to feel that this is the case with your WW. But what the hell do I know?, I am Divorced and you are married, so you obviously don't want to take the actions that I would take?

Goodluck.

Peace.

LM

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Contact has been made. LOL Oh "yoall" gonna love this one. If this wasn't about me,I would even find this one entertaining.

She's beginning to sound like Daniel Steele! I'll post tomorrow for any that may be interested...I've decided to go out now with a few friends for dinner. Let her have her "space"...(is that like outer space I wonder)...oh well we shall see.

Love you all...don't worry 'bout me...i'm totally in control...of ME...

Gimbel thanks for the quick response and offer...will do it together one day soon and 2long, its Ok if you don't understand my post...sh#t, even I don't understand...And Ms. Pep my very most favorite and centered person in da universe...don't worry...coach will make you proude!
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Coach-

Is it bad that Im sitting here rooting for you to do your damndest?

I recall hearing "I need my space" from my own H during our first seperation several years ago. Oh, I gave it to him... with both barrels. He didn't like that one whit- where was his pleading, loyal, scared little wife? I'll tell you where she was- pretending he was dead. ha! That was my first step towards independance...unfortunately, I took two steps back as soon as he crawled back home begging to be forgiven for wanting his "space." Of course, living with my two overbearing, controlling parents made living with a contrite husband who I liked to have sex with look very, very acceptable. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

My jaw also dropped. I thought you were going to find out the Prof was dating one of the daughters....wow, I was way off.

Hope you and Prof's wife have a field day.

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Coach,

You know, maybe the next communication your W gets from you, should be in the hand of a process server.

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