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I got this from a journal I subscribe to. Kinda hits home to much that we see here on this site.

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Top of the fold -- Fatherless in America

Many families will celebrate Father's Day this Sunday, but the tragic
reality is that some 35-million children live absent or apart from
their biological fathers. One in two children -- and only one in five
inner-city children -- are in homes with their fathers.

Of course, any assertion that fathers are critical to the well-being of
children will undoubtedly offend the PC NOW crowd -- you know, those
enlightened liberals who have, for the past four decades, insisted
that mothers can do it all. Indeed, they've dismissed men as little
more than a nuisance -- one necessary for procreation but detrimental
to proper parenting.

The Grande Dame of the so-called "women's movement," Gloria Steinem,
once declared, "A woman without a man is like a fish without a
bicycle." Liberal columnist Maureen Dowd's forthcoming book, "Are Men
Necessary?" is the latest manifestation of the man-hater movement.

Of course, many moms have no choice but to do it all because many
fathers (in and out of their homes) have abdicated their responsibility
for proper love, discipline, support and protection. The disastrous
social consequences of this abdication are clearly evident and well
documented. Though some single parents do manage to bring up relatively
well-adjusted kids with the help of extended families, churches and
schools, the correlation between social deviancy and fatherless homes
is irrefutably linked.

Not all fathers are separated from their children voluntarily --
many are forcibly removed by mothers who've bought into the lie that
fathers aren't necessary. Of course, there are also mothers who just
want to upgrade. Under such circumstances, most state courts provide
fathers limited responsibility or visitation with their children, and
only now are some states acknowledging the critical role fathers play
in the lives of their children.

Here is the truth -- and it is a hard truth for men who have abandoned
their families, but a harder truth for their children: Most social
problems -- crime, drug abuse, unwed pregnancy and abortion, youth
suicide, school dropouts and the like -- are the direct consequence of
fatherless households.

"Children who grow up with their fathers do far better -- emotionally,
educationally, physically, every way we can measure -- than children
who do not," notes Institute for American Values president David
Blankenhorn. "This conclusion holds true even when differences of race,
class and income are taken into account. The simple truth is that
fathers are irreplaceable in shaping the competence and character of
their children. ... [The absence of fathers] from family life is surely
the most socially consequential family trend of our era."

Indeed it is.

Here are some sobering statistics: According to the CDC, DoJ, DHHS
and the Bureau of the Census, 63% of teen suicides, 70% of juveniles
in state-operated institutions, 71% of high-school dropouts, 75% of
children in chemical-abuse centers, 80% of rapists, 85% of youths in
prison, 85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders, and 90% of
homeless and runaway children are children from fatherless homes. In
fact, children born to unwed mothers are ten times more likely to live
in poverty as children with fathers in the home.

"[The causal link between fatherless children and crime] is so strong
that controlling for family configuration erases the relationship
between race and crime and between low income and crime," notes social
researcher Barbara Dafoe Whitehead. More to the point, a counselor at
a juvenile-detention facility in California, which has the nation's
highest juvenile-incarceration rate, protested, "[If] you find a gang
member who comes from a complete nuclear family, I'd like to meet
him. ... I don't think that kid exists."

"Maturity does not come with age, but with the accepting of
responsibility for one's actions," writes Dr. Edwin Cole. "The lack of
effective, functioning fathers is the root cause of America's social,
economic and spiritual crises."

History also records the exploits of those who grew up without fathers,
or with weak or abusive fathers. They became Adolf Hitler, Iosif
Vissarionouich Djugashvili (Joseph Stalin), Mao Zedong and Saddam
Hussein.

In any case, never let it be said that the Left allows facts to get in
the way of its agenda. Arguably, liberal social policies are directly
responsible for generations of homeless children, particularly black
children. As we've noted before, Democrats have a vested interest in
keeping blacks and other constituencies dependent on the state; such
a dependency, after all, creates a strong allegiance.

The man-hating Left is not content merely to eradicate the traditional
family. They also want to eradicate Judeo-Christian values from the
home. Take NOW's website, for example, which proclaims, "Underneath
the facade of Christian religion are the workings of the radical
religious right, mobilizing men against the rights of women, lesbians,
and gays." The University of Virginia's Bradford Wilcox notes in a
recent Heritage Foundation report that the Left sees religion as "a
key factor in stalling the gender revolution at home."

Is this agenda what generations of Americans have toiled and died
to preserve?

Founder John Adams understood well: "The foundation of national morality
must be laid in private families.... How is it possible that Children can
have any just Sense of the sacred Obligations of Morality or Religion if,
from their earliest Infancy, they learn their Mothers live in habitual
Infidelity to their fathers, and their fathers in as constant Infidelity
to their Mothers?" Abigail Adams wrote, "What is it that affectionate
parents require of their Children; for all their care, anxiety, and
toil on their accounts? Only that they would be wise and virtuous,
Benevolent and kind."

So where to from here?

On Father's Day, we should, indeed, pay tribute to the irreplaceable
institution of fatherhood -- and the importance of a father's love,
discipline, support and protection for his children. On this and
every other day, those of us who are fathers should encourage other
fathers to be accountable for their children. There is much that
can be done for the fatherless -- mentoring through Boy Scouting,
coaching little-league sports, teaching in Sunday school, becoming a
school tutor, and volunteering to work with high-risk kids through an
inner-city ministry, to name just a few.

As for this father, it is a privilege beyond all others to be a husband
and father of three, and no reward could be greater than the smiles
and hugs that attend a close relationship with my children.

In His arms.

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I'm pretty sure that the "man hating" liberal, left wing, PC NOW militants are not responsible for men abandoning their families. Actually, very sure. Men are responsible for abandoning their families. Don't put the blame on anybody else. How many guys are actually denied visitation with their kids? Maybe a few cases. I really respect men who, if it is for the right reasons, want custody of their kids. The jibes against the liberals are misplaced.

If nothing else, the response of women is because most of the load has been dump on us. Most moms work outside the home. Statistically, although the gap is closing, women are paid less. Statistically, women spend more time on housework. Statistically, women do more of the childcare. Not that there aren't men that don't do that too. It's a heavy burden. If men aren't going to help you out, it's easy to feel that perhaps you don't need them. How many women often feel that their husband is like having another child. Historically, men have been the hunters and women have taken care of the hearth. Now, we're the hunters too.

Who do I blame? For one thing, the corporate system. Jobs suck the life out of people. There is no job security anymore. If you don't give 150%, if you say 'no' to extra projects and work, you could be a candidate for dismissal. Sure there's family-friendly companies. Most of the ones I've worked around would rather you admit to NEVER having a family. Cellphones, faxes, emails, conference calls, business dinners, they all cut into family time. In most jobs today, work doesn't shut down at 5. If you don't have a job like that then you probably aren't very well paid and likely have a second job. The cost of living is very high.

About 18 months after our oldest child was born, my now WH and I made the decision that I would stay at home. We were both very career-oriented and something had to give. A child, a house and 2 careers wasn't working. It was a good decision. I've supported my WH in his work, raised good kids and been part of the infrastructure of our community. WH is now sucked deep into the corporate world. He has no time for our kids. I am needing to start over after a long time away. I do not regret and will never regret, the time I've spent with my kids. I don't think they would be the wonderful people they are today if I had continued in the corporate fast lane. If we D and WH is granted visitation, he would actually be seeing MORE of them than he does now.

I also believe that there isn't enough parent education offered or taken. Kids don't come with an operation manual. You don't have to be licensed to have a child. You learn to be a parent. If you are lucky, you have had great parents who are good models on how to parent. Parenting is not waking a kid up, shoving breakfast down his mouth, taking him to day care, picking him up after work, shoving dinner down his mouth and putting him to bed. Parenting is not putting your kid in front of the TV or computer to be babysat. Parenting is a skill that doesn't always come naturally. Parenting is a committment. My biggest regret is that I did not force my H to take the parent classes I took with me.

Sorry, but you've made me mad. Don't blame women for everything men do. Liberated women are not the reason men leave. Maybe it just gives them the opportunity to do it.


Grapes are versatile. Grapes can be sour, sweet, sublime as wine and fabulous even when old and dried out.

Me: BS
XCH: Clueless
2-DS: Bigger than me
1-DD: Now also bigger than me!

5/6: Personally served CH with divorce papers
6/6: CH F? wants to time to see if M can be saved
7/6: FCH reenters our lives to work on marriage but secretly signs papers to start divorce...what's that about?
Mediation set for November
Final dissolution in January 2007.
2008 and beyond: Life goes on...
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Are good fathers necessary for the well-being of their children? Yes.

Are women, or the "PC liberal crowd", responsible for chasing good fathers away? No.

Look at how many absent WS fathers are described on a daily basis on this board. I wish they could read the very good article that Mortarman posted.

Mulan


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Mortarman - care to share the site where you got that from?


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Second D-Day with total truth: 4/13/04
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Grapegirl,

Oh, I agree with most of what you have said here. I do agree that men are equally at fault here...in some cases, they are more so.

Look, remember Murphy Brown? Yeah it was a TV show, but there are many women out there that think "I dont need a man. I can do this myself." We see it on here. Even my wife, when she tried to take me to court for custody, tried to get me to only have one weekend a month and a couple weeks in the summer. For a Dad that was involved with his kids EVERYDAY!! All because she thought she deserved that because she was a woman. Now, how good a father could I have been under those circumstances? How would my kids have turned out if they only saw me one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer? I would have been more a grandparent than a Dad!!

Whomever is with your children the most is the one who is raising them!! If it is daycare...then the daycare is raising them! If it is at a grandparent's house while the parents work, then the grandparents have the most influence. One of the reasons I spend so much time in the evenings and weekend with my kids is that I know they go to school for 6-7 hours a day. Those teachers have TREMENDOUS influence over my kids because of that time. If I want to abdicate my responsibility to them, then I'll spend a 1/2 hour with them at night. If I want them to grow up and be as my wife and I see fit...then we had better put in the time. Which is why my wife stayed home for the first 8 1/2 years we were married.

Too often, having the nice house and cars comes at the expense of the kids. Too often, a mother wanting a career, and accolades, etc. comes at the expense of her children who spend 7 hours at school and another 2-3 at daycare. Mom and Dad pick them up, make dinner, take care of some chores or run them around to events. Then there are baths and getting ready for the next day. Then there is the 5 minutes they get right before they go to bed. Five minutes of one-on-one time. In the meantime, Mrs. Whomever, the child's second grade teacher, had 7 hours with him. Seven hours versus 5 minutes...which do you think wins out? And dont give me that balogna we have been fed about "quality time!"

The liberated woman? Look, I have a mother, a wife and a daughter. NO ONE wants the best for them more than I do! If my daughter gets a job, I expect her to be paid the same as others that are doing the same job...period! Not based on anything but merit. Definitely not based on gender.

But I also believe what society regards as feminism (I am a feminist...but not in the sense that the NOW gang and others like them are) have sold women a bill of goods. They say "You can have it all!!" Not all at once you cant!! You cannot be a fulltime mom, and a fulltime CEO of a corporation. That cannot happen, especially for pre-school aged kids.

Now, I can see that some will say "Well what about the father CEO?" What about him? You know, for people to think that the term mother and father are interchangable is a farce. I could no more be a mother or do what my wife does for those kids as a WOMAN than I could walk out the door of my building and jump real hard and land on the moon. My wife brings things to the table that men just cannot. And that was the central argument of that article. That Dad's bring things to the table that mothers cannot.

For over 30 years, we as a society have tried women's equality, ERA, radical feminism and the demasculation of men. There are sites online...tons of them...of fathers who have lost custody of their children, the wife up and moved away and they hardly see their kids anymore. Sites with memorials to dads that committed suicide because they had lost their family. This society pushes men away from their family.

Want me to give another example? Abortion. Why is it a "choice" when three human beings are involved, but only one gets a choice? Just because one of them has to carry another around for 9 months? Where does the father get any choice? Because, if the mother chooses to have that baby and the father didnt want her to, he'll have to pay up. But what if the father wanted the baby and she didnt? Well, that's just tough!

I understand you are mad. And I am not minimizing the deadbeat slugs that walk out on their family, leave them high and dry for the mother to fend for them. Such men should be drawn and quartered (ask one of our Texas natives if anyone doesnt know what that means). That is as bad as what I am talking about the women doing.

When we move away from God's design, His way of doing things...all we do is screw things up. I dont want to see deadbeat dads. They sicken me. But I also do not want to see this blanket approval that women get their children automatically just because they dont have a Y chromosome.

When I got custody of our three kids, my mother-in-law and some others were screaming at me..."What kind of man takes a woman's kids away from her? The kids are supposed to be with the mother." Who says? In our past, and in the Bible, men are held responsible for their families...not women. If there was a divorce in the Bible, the children stayed with the father. So, if anyone is backward...it is 20th century America.

No. In these cases, if one of the parents is running around, or being abusive, or trying to end the marriage...they should leave with nothing! The family unit stays together with those that are still a part of it and still value it. Take the clothes you have...and go! But the kids, the house, the finances...all of it...stay with the spouse that continues to uphold the marriage. Whether that be the man or the woman.

You know, a little off the subject...the marriage contract is the only legally binding contract in the U.S. that doesnt have a penalty (legally or financially). Why is that?

Sorry...that was my male rant for the day! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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Mortarman - care to share the site where you got that from?
http://FederalistPatriot.US

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Interesting.

Squid's affair in part was fueled by the entitlement she felt to agressively maintain an 'unmarried woman' life outside the home in her sport.

She resented my freedom, her relative bondage and the drudgery of much of the life of a SAHM.

This came out of our discussions.

Last night we were discussing another couple who have some problems related to the smothering effect of domesticity and Squid said to me "it doesn't work. You can't be a great Mom and a great career success at the same time. I let my kids down, you down and myself down. It won't happen again".

Interesting I thought.


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Interesting.

Squid's affair in part was fueled by the entitlement she felt to agressively maintain an 'unmarried woman' life outside the home in her sport.

She resented my freedom, her relative bondage and the drudgery of much of the life of a SAHM.

This came out of our discussions.

Last night we were discussing another couple who have some problems related to the smothering effect of domesticity and Squid said to me "it doesn't work. You can't be a great Mom and a great career success at the same time. I let my kids down, you down and myself down. It won't happen again".

Interesting I thought.
A wise woman!!

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A wise woman!!

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You can't be a great Mom and a great career success at the same time.

My H and I agreed with this - I happily became a SAHM for our two children, whilst H was the breadwinner. We both agreed that me missing out on the chance for early career success was a small price to pay for having great kids.

And they are really special.

H has always been a great father - our two girls adore him. I felt that we had both done a great job with them.

When he left us he told me that I had wasted my time staying at home with the kids, that my efforts were for nothing, that they would have been just as special if we'd stuck them in daycare from the first. H is not himself; he is not the same father he was. He is addicted, and needs help.

I am trying to help him find his way back to us, but he is so deep in his A that it is very, very hard. DD5 has made a big mess with glue and glitter today, making a great card for Daddy on Sunday. DD12 has not yet made a card for her Daddy; she doesn't seem to have the heart.

He comes to see them as often as he can, he calls them in the evening if he can't visit. He misses them so much it is making him ill. But he can't let go of the A.

I hope that we can have a nice day on Sunday. I hope that DD12 finds some affection in her heart for her Daddy. I hope that each and every time he sees them, speaks to them, that they shine a light through his fog a little, and remind him what it really means to be a father.

Alph.


Me, BS 37 Him, WXH (Noddy) 40 DD13, DD6 Married 14th August 1993 D/Day 2nd April 05 Noddy left us 3rd April 05, lives with OW (Omelette) 28 Divorce final 6th July '06. Time wounds all heels... - Groucho Marx ...except when it doesn't. - Graycloud
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See Alph ? THAT in my opnion is how you can tell an affair from a 'moving on' relationship.

Every capability of a WS falls apart with an affair while 'moving on' can be done with resignation and order after honestly stumbling through attempts at marital recovery.

That why you need to be strong and smart in this to make up for his alien abduction.


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So what happens when a woman is forced to do it all? When this guy that we supposedly emasculated goes away and leaves us holding the bag? I find that after nearly 20 years as a SAHM, I'm going to be getting a job. The side effect? DD, who is suddenly an only child due to brothers at college, is also a latch key child for the first time in her life. The fact that she is going to start middle school, is entering puberty and is surrounded by the emotional crap WH left us, scares the heck out of me. Idle, unsupervised hands ARE the Devil's helper. I'm trying hard to find a position, hopefully with the school district that will minimize the impact on her. It will be less money but will buy me something priceless-time with my daughter.

Now should my WH be given 50-50 custody when he can go for weeks without seeing his kids? The guy lives literally 10 minutes away. We can only hope that a judge can see the facts. Yes, WH can bring the male things into their lives. But my neighbor's husband taught them how to ride their bikes. Somebody elses' husband coaches the soccer and softball teams. Grandpa taught them how to build things. I'm the one who plays catch and ferries them to sports. Unfortunately, about the only thing WH brings to the table is his earning ability and I bless him for that.

I am extremely happy my kids haven't spent much time in daycare. When I've volunteered in the school, I can tell the kids that have been in daycare all of their lives and those that haven't. They are markedly different.

One of the factors that helped me to leave my job was the fact I wanted more input into how my kids were raised. My oldest was in care for about a year. The caregiver was a lovely person and generally treated the kids well. Epiphany? She had a Christmas party for the kids and they were singing songs. One song was Gospel Bells sung to the tune of Jingle Bells. Now, I think Jingle Bells is a really nice song. But this made me think really hard about the influences this woman would have in my son's life. The Gospel Bells concept, fine for many, just isn't part of our family philosophy.

One of my favorite couples in the world is one where he, the surfer dude is the stay-at-home-dad and she's the CEO of a bank. They make it work. They have nice kids and a loving life.

Mortarman, we may seem far apart but I think we are on the same track perhaps in parallel universes.


Grapes are versatile. Grapes can be sour, sweet, sublime as wine and fabulous even when old and dried out.

Me: BS
XCH: Clueless
2-DS: Bigger than me
1-DD: Now also bigger than me!

5/6: Personally served CH with divorce papers
6/6: CH F? wants to time to see if M can be saved
7/6: FCH reenters our lives to work on marriage but secretly signs papers to start divorce...what's that about?
Mediation set for November
Final dissolution in January 2007.
2008 and beyond: Life goes on...
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I have a somewhat weird observation I'd like to share and see what you think...

In single parent families who do the kids spend a lot of time with...
1) Teachers
2) Daycare providers

What sex are the majority of these people? Female.

So in a single mother family the child is exposed to same sex most of the time whereas in my situation (single father family) although my kids spend most of their rec. time with me they get plenty of female influence from their teachers and daycare providers.

The women that are my daycare providers are great women and I think a very good influence on my kids. The teachers I really don't have much choice over but our school is good and we've lucked out with good teachers. I think this helps a lot and if I was a single Mom it would be real hard to find a great male daycare provider and a great male teacher. Possible but tough.

Not sure what my point is... It would be an interesting study for someone so inclined...

Cheers,

Miker


I was the BS - 36
She was the WS - 36, PA with MM
DS8, DD13, DD15 - All living with Dad
DDay 05/04, Divorced 08/05
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I think some people here are missing the point of the statistics. The point is very very clear and simple. A family that is missing father (for whatever reason) has a much higher chance of having children in the prison system, dropping out of school, and at risk of their lives on the streets.

It is correct to point out that some NOTABLE women's groups have espoused the concept that fathers and men are of little use and that women can do it all. There really is no arguing with the fact that they have made those statemenst and clearly believe them.

The point is that even ostensibly intelligent people can think this way. However, the data shows something completely different. If a man abandons his family, the kids are likely to fail. If a man is pushed out of the family (and one day a week and every other weekend) is pushing him out of the family, the children have a high rate of failure. If a W leaves the family, the children also have a better chance of failure as well.

So folks knock off the social agenda and look at the data. It is one of the reasons this site exists so safe marriage so that the children have a better chance at survival.

Please think about this.

God Bless,

JL

PS: This data also illustrates the idiocy of the statement" divorce does not hurt the kids." To that I will say a very well educated NUTS.

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AT the moment I don't have any choice but to be a single parent. I didn't choose it; my husband left us.

This is his failing, not mine and not my children's. I am fully aware that he has reduced their life chances with this cruel and thoughtless act.

If any parent, male or female, can beat the statistics and raise whole and happy children on their own, they are to be heartily congratulated.

BTW, my WH said that our kids would be happier if we split up. I could have punched his lights out.

Alph.


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Alph,

After his statement I would have gladly held him for you to do so. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> That is the point, the children don't have a choice they are left with the debris of failed marriage, or in many cases no marriage at all because the children are not a product of marriage but simply copulating.

It is a sad fact. However, I think MM's point is that given that father's day is coming, perhaps as in the case of mother's day, so attention should be given to the fact that they do have a role to play. Sadly, many men don't feel they do, and some of that stems from the current environment we find outselves in which stigmatizes men, and surely encourages affairs, and down plays the importance of marriage.

Must go.

God Bless,

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Too often, having the nice house and cars comes at the expense of the kids. Too often, a mother wanting a career, and accolades, etc. comes at the expense of her children who spend 7 hours at school and another 2-3 at daycare. Mom and Dad pick them up, make dinner, take care of some chores or run them around to events. Then there are baths and getting ready for the next day. Then there is the 5 minutes they get right before they go to bed. Five minutes of one-on-one time. In the meantime, Mrs. Whomever, the child's second grade teacher, had 7 hours with him. Seven hours versus 5 minutes...which do you think wins out? And dont give me that balogna we have been fed about "quality time!"


Unfortunately, it is too often about having a house and a car at all...and food.

Times are so different than in the 50's. It is extremely difficult for the average wage earner to support a family, so both MUST work.

I realize that in upper middle class homes it is often about the NICE car and home, but for the majority it is about survival, most must work...and child care until parents get off of work is a necessity.

From what I gather on this board, myself included most are in the upper wage earner range, but I know this is not true for the majority of the people who live in my town even.

But I know what you are saying. And I put almost all my past hurts and difference's aside for the sake of my DD when her dad and I split, so she could have as much of a dad as possible.

Reading the stories about how predators play on little kids without dads scared me to death. I was bound and determined that my little girl would have a dad, and not a mediocre one at that. Took all I had but I did it. Now sometimes I regret it because I have to share her and the decisions, but she has her beloved dad and he is good to her . But there was a time I had to chase him down and force it on him. But it paid off.

Good post, MM.

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Alphin, my WH and I also made a decision for me to stay home with the girls. I was happy to - it's been a privilege. So it stung MORE THAN ANYTHING on DDay when I was told I have "no ambition". Those are the words that stick in my mind out of all this mess. Talk about change the rules.

My WH has been a lousy father the past few years. Of course, I now know why but another memory is of 3 kids bringing him tea in bed on Father's Day. He grunted, turned over, went back to sleep and left it to go cold. I understand that a fog descends on our WS's but that was just sooo mean.

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TT,

That is disgusting. What is wrong with some of these people. I can't imagine not being thrilled when the kids are SOOO excited to do somthing like that. How hurtful to the kids. Yuck.

He needs to be shown past, present and future I think. Like in that Christmas movie.

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JL...thanks! As usual, you are right on.

Grape,
I have agreed with you about the slugs such as your husband who have left their children. God holds the father responsible for the upbrining of the children, not mothers. So, for a man to just walk away from his wife and kids...well, I would love to hold that guy down also.

Even the article agreed with you:

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Of course, many moms have no choice but to do it all because many fathers (in and out of their homes) have abdicated their responsibility for proper love, discipline, support and protection. The disastrous social consequences of this abdication are clearly evident and well documented. Though some single parents do manage to bring up relatively
well-adjusted kids with the help of extended families, churches and schools, the correlation between social deviancy and fatherless homes is irrefutably linked.

So, even the author of this article recognizes those situations. But that isnt what the entire article was about. It was about those men forced away fro mtheir kids...and the results of that (and the results of the ones who left voluntarily):

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Not all fathers are separated from their children voluntarily -- many are forcibly removed by mothers who've bought into the lie that fathers aren't necessary. Of course, there are also mothers who just want to upgrade. Under such circumstances, most state courts provide fathers limited responsibility or visitation with their children, and only now are some states acknowledging the critical role fathers play in the lives of their children.

But I didnt hear you talk of this side...the side where good fathers are forced to the curb by selfish women and a society that has skewed things away from the father.

I believe both ways...when the father leaves AND when a father is forced out...is the byproduct of the ideology that pushed to the forefront in the '60s that said do it if it feels good, everyone has a right to privacy, women can have it all, etc. Burn your bras. Leave the home in favor for the marketplace

And thru that, what have men been told? We have been told "women are equal to men. Women are no different to men except for plumbing. The days of a man being the head of his household were over...you are co-equals or partners." we knew something was wrong here, but we went along with it.

You see, God says that men are responsible. God makes them the head of their family...and holds them responsible for the outcome of that family.

So, men are responsible...but society then changes the rules. They say that the wife can take the role, can even replace you. That the roles are interchangable (and some roles are...but the roles of being Dad and being Mom are quite different).

For the man who wants to abdicate his responsibilities...society has now given him an out. "Sure, my kids will miss me...but she can do it. Society said so." So, they walk away...if not guilt-free...then at the very least comfortable that the kids will be fine. Comfortable with the every other weekend and two weeks in the summer. Statistics show that a husband that is divorced disposable income actually increases. He is free to live a selfish life most of the time. And can play the parttime Dad. And as long as he shows up, and mails his check...society says this is okay.

For the father that is pushed to the curb, he suffers directly from this frame of mind. He wants to take care of his responsibilites...but cant because there is a court order that says he is now a part-time Dad. He is responsible for his household and his children...but now Mom is either doing it alone or with some other guy. And Dad has lost control over that which he is responsible.

This society has lost its way. No fault divorce has killed marriage. Instead of forcing couples to work thru problems and only allowing divorce for extreme cases...we have allowed divorces for just about any reason. All to the detriment of the two in the marriage...and even more so for the children.

We want to keep men from walking away? Then shut down this mess. make them responsible. not in writing a check...that aint being a dad. make Dad and Mom both responsbile by saying to them that, for the sake of themselves and the kids, they have to find a way to make it work. Again, the exeption should be those relationships that have abuse and the like. No one should have to stay and be abused.

Tell men they are responsible. And then give them the ability to take care of that responsibility.

That is where we have deviated from. That is why fathers are either pushed away...or walk away without looking back. And both fall squarely on the "liberal" end of this society that has psuhed this change and notions so foreign to anyone that understans men and women...and understands what God intended.

In His arms.

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