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I am a U.S. Marine. I am temporarily in CA. My wife was here for 6 months with me. I decided to stay for six more months because I am involved in training that is saving lives in Iraq. My wife returned home and had emotional problems, as she felt I chose this over her. She confided in an old friend of hers and ended up sleeping with him. I am crushed. I found out yesterday. She is very confused as to what she wants to do, bu I still love her more than anything and want to get past this. What can I do to rebuild my marriage? Someone please help me, I don't want to give up on everything! I am 27 years old and will be going home for 7 days to see her on the first of July. What can i say to her? Anyone who replies I thank you and God bless.

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I am so sorry. My husband and I are both military (different branches), so I definitely know what it is to be lonely. I can't say that I know what it is like to have an affair, or be married to someone who has, though. My best advice to you is to get yourself some individual counseling, and see if your wife will go to counseling with you.

I'm pretty new to this site, so I KNOW that someone will come along with some better advice, just wanted to let you know that I will pray for you.


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sgtjr, welcome to MB. This message board has been a life saver for many of us, glad you found us. First read WAT's guide for betrayed spouses Read up on the site's basic concepts, especially plan A. If you can get the book Surviving An Affair by Willard Harley or Torn Assunder by Dave Carder.

How long have you been married? Did your WW end the A or is it still ongoing? Did she confess to the A? Very sorry that someone that is defending our freedom is having to go through this. Keep posting others will come along soon to help.


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Hi Sarge

Man, theres a high price to pay by our brave troops who serve the free world. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

We have far too many services-related infidelity problems ;(

The good news is you can recover , friend !

It snear midnite here so I'll leave you with two things to get you started.

First is my New BS toolkit . This isn;t about ME it sabout EVERY BS and how we all feel.

Followup the links and see what you can accomplish !!

next I have a good friend, Lt Col RIF, US army who is a good Christian man and a warrior who recovered from his wife;s infidelities to a wonderful recovered marriage.

I will amail him and ask that he drops by to help you out.

Take heart friend. I have felt like you feel right now, yet now my baby just gave me a lovely sleepy kiss on the way to our bed where she'll hug me when I retire. She was enraptured by a horrible entangled affair a year ago.

What's happened isn;t good but with faith, sand and study you can recover from it.

All blessings, sir.


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Tkank you both so much for the support, all the guys i work with just say "dump her!" I dont want to though i want to work it out. I have been married two years. She said the other guy told her he couldn't talk to her anymore, i am inclined to believe her about that because she is also sad that she lost him as a friend. I am very confused and she is too, but i just want her to recommit to me. Am i crazy for that?

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No you are not crazy. Many marriages recover from infidelity but it takes work from both spouses. Any children?


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no we have no children and im sure that is a blessing. My command has been notified and are transferring me back to north carolina. i told them i didnt feel comfortable training marines with this lack of focus. but i find myself wanting to talk to her all the time and i feel a little better when i do. its very painful even when im not alone. a big bad marine broken down! thank you so much for the support i thank god for your help. any advice what to say when i finally see her face to face?

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Is there someone in the military that can provide support for your WW to help her through your deployment times? Maybe a group of more experienced wives or some spiritual guide? It sounds like she did not handle coming 2nd in your life to your career, most of us don't but military is a rather unique situation.

I would tell her you love her and want to work on getting your M strong. I would suggest you two find a good pro M counselor that can help you work through this. Get the books and read them together. Make sure you are meeting her top Emotional Needs.

BTW, I think you are very brave and strong to go against the tide and want to save your M.


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thank you again faithful follower! i tried to get her into a few things for wives with deployed husbands, but she felt as though it were silly since i am deployed in the states. i dont want to take up all your time, but once again i thank god for your replies. you have been the first to extend your hand of solace to my broken heart. is there a way i can contact you once i return to ca after seeing her?

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Just keep posting here on this thread and we will get you through this. I am hoping some military people will jump into help as well. I will give your thread a bump once in a while to keep it up. When are you leaving?


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Welcome to marriagebuilders. Thankfully you have found us. Is there a chance she could come back and live in California? That would be the best answer.

I live in Oceanside. Let me know if you need any kind of practical help.

In the meantime, hang in there. You can get this turned around.

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I am leaving to go home for 7 days on the first of july, only a few days away! I'm very anxious to see her, but also scared that she might not want to work it out. We just bought a house together, and had so many hopes and aspirations for the future before this. im sorry to repeat myself, but i cannot thank you enough for this. I have always been very strong emotionally, even in the heart of combat in Iraq, but I have never felt such despair. Your graciousness is so welcome to me right now.

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thank you believer and god bless. she just started her new job back home in tennessee, because i will be getting out of the military in october, so coming back is out of the question. when i get back to north carolina, hopefully sometome in july, i can at least see her on weekends. It so difficult when we were so close to the end of my service and we would not be separated ever again.

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sgtjrs, I am copying and pasting a part of an article I found very useful. I am assuming you are a believer, if not it is a good article anyway.

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Can a marriage survive an affair? Ironically, some relationships not only survive but flourish after an affair. Why? All the pretense and denial that may have aided in the development of the affair have been stripped away. Both partners are now capable of viewing each other more honestly than they did prior to the affair.
This is not an endorsement for the foolish notion that "affairs are good for a marriage," but it is a reflection of God's redemptive plan to use things originally intended for evil to accomplish His good purposes in the hearts of His people (Gen. 50:20).
It is highly unlikely, however, that lasting change will take root and grow without the partners looking at their own individual contribution to the troubled relationship. This by no means implies that the faithful spouse is responsible for his or her mate's choice to have an affair. Nor does it allow the betrayer to justify the affair on the grounds of his or her mate's deficiencies. No one is ever responsible for the choices of another. But both partners must be willing to look at their individual and mutual histories, styles of relating, and contributions to the problems in their relationship.
While care must be taken not to minimize or excuse the unfaithful partner's betrayal, it is likely that some tensions existed in the marriage before the affair. Dan Allender, in his book The Healing Path, notes, "No failure of a wife or husband ever causes or excuses an affair; nonetheless, the downward spiral that leads to an affair usually involves mutual failure."4 The issue of mutual failure must be carefully defined and explored if there is to be mutual confession and forgiveness that produces a renewed oneness.
Building a good marriage is always an uphill battle—even when there hasn't been an affair. It requires hard work, sacrifice, humility, confession, forgiveness, understanding, and love. Couples who make the courageous choice to rebuild their relationship after an affair find that the core issues don't change. But the intensity level that has been raised by the betrayal and distrust must now be addressed and overcome. Betrayal crushes the trust between a husband and wife. Without trust, a relationship can't grow. Thus, the major work in healing a broken marriage is rebuilding trust and restoring friendship.
Rebuilding Trust Through Telling The Truth. Affairs thrive on secrecy. Deception is essential to the duplicity that makes an affair possible. The betrayed husband who has been fed a steady diet of deceit hungers for the truth from his wife. He will often say, "I don't care how bad it is, just tell me the truth! I can take the truth. I just can't deal with the lies anymore."
While the power of an affair may be in its secrecy, the weakness of a marriage may be in its avoidance of issues.5 Truth-telling means no more pretending from either spouse. The assumption is that while the unfaithful spouse's duplicity is more easily seen, both individuals have deceptive hearts (Jer. 17:9) that have played off each other in a bizarre dance of deception. One lied; the other looked the other way. One got angry and indignant; the other backed off. One withdrew; the other didn't pursue. One ignored; the other avoided. "Speaking the truth in love" to each other (Eph. 4:15) means admitting the dance and the part each took in it.
The purpose of truth-telling is to put the issues out on the table where they can be dealt with. It means coming clean—not just exposing each other, but admitting one's own current feelings and attitudes. It involves asking and honestly answering questions in three categories:
The Affair. What happened? With whom? When did it begin? How long did it last? Is it over? This is a major test for the unfaithful spouse. He or she must be totally honest and tell the wounded spouse anything he or she wants to know about the extent and duration of the affair, but not all the sordid details. Sometimes the offended spouse believes that knowledge of the details will provide the control needed to prevent an affair from recurring. It won't. Knowing the details may only inflame the wound, filling the mind with images that will make it even more difficult to overcome. This is where a seasoned counselor can help a couple get past new revelations about the affair and not get bogged down in details that serve no good purpose.
The Damage. The wounded spouse must honestly share how much pain the affair has caused. The unfaithful spouse should not be defensive or try to explain but truly listen to, absorb, and understand the other's suffering.
The Relationship. Both spouses need to talk honestly about the way they relate to each other, how they struggle personally, and how that has affected their relationship in all areas. They need the help of wise counsel to make the connection between their past and current struggles. This involves seeing how their unique struggles reflect a failure to trust God, which weakens their relationship, hurts those they care about the most, and makes them vulnerable to a host of self-destructive choices—one of which is the affair.
Truth-telling opens the door to confession that is cleansing and grief that is healing.
Rebuilding Trust Through Confession. Confession must be specific. It isn't enough to say "I'm sorry I had an affair. Will you forgive me?" The specific behaviors, attitudes, and responses that inflicted so much pain and suffering must be individually named, owned, and tied to the damage spoken of earlier. When a spouse confesses to God (Ps. 51) and to his or her mate the guilt over the individual wounds that have been inflicted, it paves the way for a deepening sorrow that leads to repentance and change (2 Cor. 7:10). Confession is necessary for the healing of body, soul, and relationships (Jas. 5:16). It also brings hope because God assures that "he who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy" (Prov. 28:13).
Confession must be mutual. Seldom is either spouse blameless. While not guilty of the affair, the offended spouse has had failures of love that need to be named and confessed to the unfaithful spouse and to God.
Should other affairs be confessed? There are always risks with this. Each situation must be evaluated individually. But given the human propensity toward deception, it would be a good idea to come clean all at once rather than risk future exposure that would undermine any progress made in rebuilding trust. Again, caution is needed so as to guard against unnecessary exposure of the sordid details.
Who needs to be told? Not everyone needs to know. Certainly those directly affected by the affair—one's family. One's pastor, small group, and some trusted friends need to know so they can help in the rebuilding process. If a parent needs to leave the home for a while, the children should be told in general terms, but not in the specifics. While teenagers may already have figured it out, don't assume that they know. If there is evidence that they know, parents should tell them together and prepare them for the changes that may be ahead, but avoid revealing unnecessary details.
Rebuilding Trust Through Repentance. The best description of repentance comes from the lips of the king of Israel whose adulterous affair rocked the nation: "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, You will not despise" (Ps. 51:17). What are signs of a repentant heart? A humble attitude that is neither demanding nor defensive when questioned. An openness that replaces deceit. The willingness to be accountable for time, money, and whereabouts. Not blaming or making excuses for failures. Quietly accepting consequences.
A betrayer's humble repentance in word and deed will pave the way for the betrayed to again risk opening his or her heart and offering the sweet fruit of forgiveness that can lead to restoration and renewed joy.
Rebuilding Relationship Through Forgiveness. The sin is always before those who have had an affair (Ps. 51:3), but it is ever before their spouse as well. It created a debt that remains outstanding, and it demands a response.
The natural response would be revenge—to make the betrayer suffer. But God calls us to a radical standard of loving that advocates mercy, not revenge (Rom. 12:17-21). He calls us to "be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you" (Eph. 4:32). This doesn't seem fair, especially when the wound has cut so deep. It seems as if it's minimizing our pain and letting the offender off the hook. But that's not what forgiveness is.
Jesus taught that forgiveness is the loving, voluntary cancellation of a debt (Lk. 7:36-48). It doesn't mean that the pain or the anger will miraculously vanish or that the consequences of sinful choices will evaporate. Once the betrayed sees signs of repentance (Lk. 17:3-4), forgiveness opens the heart to reconciliation that is based on mutual respect, mercy, gratefulness, and love. (See RBC booklet, When Forgiveness Seems Impossible CB941.)
Rebuilding Relationship Through Reinitiating Physical Intimacy. After an affair is revealed, both spouses should get tested for AIDS and STDs. This is a humbling but necessary experience. In most cases, a minimum of 6 months abstinence from any sexual relations is necessary to protect the health of the faithful spouse. If the AIDS test is positive, the couple will have to grieve and accept the loss of certain forms of sexual intimacy so as not to endanger the non-infected partner.
The rule for reinitiating sexual intimacy after an affair is to go slow. Returning to the home after a time of separation doesn't automatically mean returning to the bedroom and sexual intimacy. A spouse whose mate has had an affair may want to try to satisfy all the mate's sexual needs for fear he or she may go looking elsewhere. The unfaithful partner will need to reassure the wounded spouse that he or she will not go looking and will be patient.
Trying to prevent a relapse by using sexual intimacy is foolish and is not a celebration of love the way God intended sex to be enjoyed. The couple will also need to have some extensive conversations about the fear, meaning, use, and expression of sexual intimacy in their relationship prior to reengaging in sexual relations.
If an unguarded heart is what sets us up for an affair, the best defense against an affair is to guard our heart. This will free us to live wholeheartedly in a romance of epic proportions. Paul expressed this wholehearted living when he wrote:
I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain (Phil. 1:20-21).
To live wholeheartedly means to live redemptively. It is to enter each day courageously with eager anticipation for what God will do in and through us because of our confidence in being caught up in the most passionate love story of all time—the story of redemption.
But wholehearted living puts us in touch with our hurt in this world and our hunger for heaven. Paul described the inescapable tension of wholehearted living as inwardly groaning in a painful world we cannot escape while eagerly anticipating our eternal home which we cannot create (Rom. 8:23).
Oswald Chambers recognized that the only way to silence our demand for heaven now is to wholeheartedly embrace life with the full knowledge that "there is only one Being who can satisfy the last aching abyss of the human heart, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ." The psalmist stated it this way: "Whom have I in heaven but You? And earth has nothing I desire besides You" (Ps. 73:25).
When our hearts are enraptured by the love of our God who would sacrifice all for us, then His request of us to love others the way He has loved us becomes a delight and not merely a duty. His perfect love casts out our fear of loving (1 Jn. 4:11,18) and opens our hearts to redemptive living, which can triumph over the most heart-deadening of betrayals—an affair.
Few things have more power to entice others to wholehearted living than the stories of God's redemptive work in the lives of His people. Our stories of tragedy and triumph, suffering and celebration are small parts of God's larger story. So sharing our stories is crucial to building a community of faith that remembers how God worked in the past, of hope that dreams of what He will yet do in the future, and of love that moves with confidence and courage to redeem the present in the face of evil (Eph. 5:16).


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Take your time, and don't make in quick decisions. She may even say she doesn't want to try to work it out. It depends on how foggy she is. So keep reading and posting here. It will give you a plan of action.

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thank you again faithful. i am a believer and i know this doesn't have all the answers but it comes very close! i will use this and i hope to read this together with my wife when i get home. I know God tells us to forgive and in my heart i have already forgiven her. I refuse to let anger get in the way of our recovery, if she chooses to stay with me. I don't think she will choose to end our marriage, nut i am scared to go home and venture into the great unknown. I will do my best to find strength in your advice and in God. I feel better somewhat already because of the support i have recieved in the short time i have posted here. Thank you all.

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Tkank you both so much for the support, all the guys i work with just say "dump her!" I dont want to though i want to work it out. I have been married two years. She said the other guy told her he couldn't talk to her anymore, i am inclined to believe her about that because she is also sad that she lost him as a friend. I am very confused and she is too, but i just want her to recommit to me. Am i crazy for that?
Hey SGT...a recently retired Army First Sergeant here. First off, get your personal life out of the squad bay...okay? Those guys are your buddies. They know you are hurting. But they have no vested interest in your marriage. You can trust your buddies to cover you under fire...to risk their lives for you...to even die for you. But there are three things that you can never trust your buddy with...your money, your pogie bait (for all you civilians, pogie is the snacks and stuff you bring along with you), and your girl. So forget talking to them about it, okay? If you need anyont to talk to about it, see the chaplain or the 1SG. As a matter of fact, the 1SG should probably know so he can keep an eye on you and make sure you are keeping your head squared where it belongs.

Counseling time for both of you. Ask her to go. Even better, ask her to start up on here with Steve Harley (phone counseling). If she is serious (which she may not be), you two need all the help you can get right now.

A lot of good folks here who can help. Keep posting...and start learning.

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Mortarman, thank you first sergeant for telling me what i needed to hear about my buddies. I wasn't going to listen to them anyway, but I needed a little support. I guess I knew ahead of time that marines don't really think on an emotional level when it comes to these kinds of things. Today, I set up an appointment for counseling when I get home on leave in a few days, which she agreed to. Hopefully this is the first step in rebuilding our marriage. I only have 3 months of service left, and after one combat tour and one 10 month deployment, I know these last few are going to be trying. My command has agreed to send me back to carolina because of the situation, so at least I can go home on weekends. Thank you for the military point of view and the support, first sergeant, and God bless.

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No problem. I too know what this is like, having been sent to Bosnia in September 2001, while my wife fell apart back here i nthe States and some parasite took advantage of the situation. So I know where you are coming from...and the feelings you have about wanting to get home.

Make sure this counselor is a pro-marriage counselor. Many are not. I actually would advise, if you can come up with the cash, to at least counsel a few times with Steve Harley. Both of you!! Most counselors just want to hear from you...to discover why you did what you did, or she did what she did.

But as a Marine, I am sure you can appreciate Steve's approach. Steve KNOWS why she did what she did. No sense wasting time on that one. What Steve offers (what MarriageBuilder offers) is a plan. A plan on how to get past this, on how your marriage can survive...and then succeed. Most marriage counselors just take your money, and let you leave with more questions than when you came in.

Anyway...sounds like your command has a good handle on things. Keep them informed of what is going on. You will be suprised how fast these last three months go.

Happy to help. My company that I was 1SG of comes back in 4 weeks from Afghanistan after a year deployment. A wouldnt you know it, back in April, one of my 21 year old college students got a call over there from his girlfriend that she had someone else and not to bother coming back to her when he got back. So, the private put his 9mm in his mouth and killed himself! I wish I could have been there because I know how he felt...and I know how to help him get past that. But he never gave anyone that chance.

Everyone on here knows how you feel, and how your wife feels (the FWSs on here). We have been down this road the two of you are taking now. So, concentrate on your mission, and take this time to get smart about marriage, how love works, what you job is as a husband, and where you have failed in the past. Your wife needs to do the same. That way, the two of you will be so much further ahead once you are permanently in the same room again.

You may even find some things out about your wife that you never knew before...things that will make you love her more. Things that would have never come up, except in this awful situation. Your wife is also gonna find out what kind of husband she has. She screwed up. She is looking to you now for forgiveness, mercy and direction.

You are the leader of your family, SGT. Better get smart and take charge. She is depending on you.

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I've not talked a lot about my time in the Army, but I know exactly where you're coming from. I was a SGT in the Army for 15 years (two non-promoting MOS's, and I hit RCP). The Army and I parted on good terms, and even 6 years later I'm still not capable of thinking of myself as a 'civie'.

About 10 years ago I had a soldier who had worked for me do the same thing. His wife had cheated on him and left him about two months prior, and at that time I truly had NO IDEA how devestating all of this was. This troop no longer worked for me when it happened, but his death still is on my mind to this day. I too wish I had had the chance to talk with him before he made the choice to end his life. I really wish that I could talk to him NOW...now that I can understand the depth of his pain.

SGTJRS- Hang in there man. I know what it's like to be deployed and feel like you're not there for your family. I know what it's like to feel like everything 'back home' is falling apart. But trust in God, and do your best to be understanding and work through things, and you'll make it through this.

Don't hesitate to use your CoC to help out as needed. If you've got a good Christian buddy you can talk with, try to take the time to let him listen to what you're going through and pray together.

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