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I sent an email to my Wayward Fiance (of 3 years) telling him that I finally concede and will stop trying. That it was clear to me his choice is to keep trolling for discreet encounters online AND perpetuating his known affair; over a family life with me and his son. I stopped all contact. and now?
Now, I'm getting little emails trickling in, asking me if my account is still active, asking if he can see his son, asking if I still love him, and telling me he wants to "work it out"?
What the fluck kind of screwy-ness is this? This man has screamed at the top of his lungs for the past 2 years about how much he can't stand me, that I annoy him, that I am too "clingy", and (direct quote) to " just leave me alone !!
He lectured me many many times on why I am not good for him and how he needs more time to "be single" and "see what else is out there" I think he even said he didn't have enough time to sow his proverbial oats.
So I finally let go, tell him I concede etc... that he can have what he wants and I get this craziness?
I can't take him at face value that miraculously he is being genuine and wants me back.... PLEASE ADVISE ON REALITY BASED INTERPRETATION !!!! [color:"orange"] [/color]
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Reality in this instance is all about biochemistry. New love/affairs offer a "high" that long term "attachment" type love lacks. The interesting thing....is that when you withdraw, the biochemistry begins to work in YOUR favor instead of the affairs. One of the things that fuels affairs is diversity, secrecy, lack of availability. Once you took yourself out of the mix...and ended conflict...the "pulls" to those ilicit liasons were no longer as intense or "high". This is why we ask folks to move to Plan B and end contact when affairs become entrenched or other elements like sexual addiction issues arise (and I'm wondering about that also in your case). The way more important question you should be asking is not what this means....but what you ought to do about it. Please heed this advice.....Please!...Don't even CONSIDER re-establishing this relationship or *gasp* marriage.... without conditions for reconciliation in place, or you'll just end up right back in a world of hurt with a serial cheater. He must address and demonstrate an ability to self regulate his urges to cheat BEFORE you even think of reconciling.
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I agree with you, and (amazing as it is <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />) without anyones input I had come to the same conclusion: to return would just have the cycle repeat repeat ad nausium. Returning/physical re-uniting is a mute point anyway. I cannot return to his house b/c the police filed a 51A (Child in need of protecive services) on behalf of our son. While I am not under any kind of DSS investigation, they concluded that WF is guilty of physical abuse/neglect from witnessing the Domestic Violence.
But, if WF does decide to re-unite he will have to work with DSS to get his son back ...and me too I guess.
Specifically though, how do I come up with those reconciliation terms? the "Plan B" as it were? where is there an outline.
additionally, I am glad Starfish !!!that you see that there is a seeming addictive piece to his waywardness, thusfar I have been the only one to tell WF that and he says "I don't know if it's addictive" okayyyy......DUH? of course he knows if something is ruining his life but he CANT STOP?
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Cereal, (really like that pen-name)
""This man has screamed at the top of his lungs for the past 2 years about how much he can't stand me, that I annoy him, that I am too "clingy", and (direct quote) to " just leave me alone !!""
Just curious, were you two living together for the 2 years this was screamed at you?
I ask because it sounds like break up talk to me. Your engaged to be married and he is sowing his oats everywhere he can find firtal ground. Internet and real life too?
Sounds like the guy does not want to get married and was hoping you would tell him to finally pound sand.
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His verbal assaults began right after I conceived. He was unemployed and with a baby on the way he says he was stressed.
When I had first moved into his house a few months before, his house was filthy,literally, cat puke and poop everywhere, never been dusted, dirty laundry everywhere, empty beer cans and beer nut cans, furry curtains from where his cat had perched above couch ...the curtains were acually furry. Most of his verbal attacks came because I was trying to clean it all up, and make it sanitary (with the baby on the way especially). I never put two and two together that he had probably been in a major depression before I ever came along, hence the filth.
He kept accusing me of trying to spend money in my clean up effort. Even though we ripped up the carpets ourselves. His well water has never been tested and I thought it was important to get it tested considering we live near a major manufacturer who was already accused of causing childhood cancers from dumping local water downstream. He was always pissed about expenses, a crib for the baby etc...
Even though he was not working he expected a pregnant me, to clean and cook while he sat around watching TV and surfing the net. More fights ensued when I kept confronting him to get a job and help out.
Then almost at the end of the pregnancy was when I began to notice he wasn't asking for sex as much, didn't want to cuddle anymore, and any attempt on my part for him to open up and regain emot. intimacy pushed him further away. I booked us a gig in couples therapy, the therapist after many weeks told me to get the baby and leave, that his rage issues weren't going to go away. I refused. WF has this lost little boy look in his eyes and I knew his childhood was hellish. I didn't want to be anotehr person to give up on him.
Even though I have been gone since my head got slpit open Feb 8th, I was still fighting for our relationhip, THats when I booked a 2nd gig with a new counselor who ended up telling us he needed indiv. work first. He hasn't called. and now that I am pulling away?
suddenly he seems to want me back?
I simply don't get it?
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Be excellent to each other and bless God.
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Cereal,
I have not read your past posts, but going by what you have just told us, I would say run as fast as you can away from that boy.
Life is too short to hook up with this dude and try to cure him or mother him back to normal.
What are his good points? Explain to us why you wanted to keep the relationship going? Like for the last 2 years? Because of the baby?
Is he a tweaker? (meth user) Sounds like there is some controled substance at work here.
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Rag,
That's funny. I posted and came back and you took the words right out of my mouth. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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He took me into his home, albeit filthy, and tried to help me get back on my feet after I lost my job. He was, keyword there, was so empathetic, chivalrous, kind, compassionate. Keeping our family intact, that is me , him and our baby is a big thing for me. considering 33 years ago my mother left my bio dad (due to his infidelity) and later re-married. I grew up in a step-family and suffered many horrible things including incest. I have always wanted to keep my family together if I ever had one. Not at any cost necessarily. WF has Tourette's Syndrome and I don't know if that plays into his rage. He wasn't even diagnosed until I brought him to see a neurologist for what I knew were tics. He suffered horrible neglect and abuse as a child. Has a seizure disorder as well as the Tourette's. I questioned the neurologist as to whether his rage attacks were related to his Tourette's Dx. She said that it wasn't, but that if his Tourettes co-existed with another DX such as PTSD, OCD, or ADHD, it could cause rage. WF is definitely an adult ADHD'r though not formally diagnosed. I am a mental health counselor BA in Psych. and from working with kids/adolescents with emotional disorders most of my career I know it when I see it.
I believe in the sanctity of marriage, and though we hadn't been to the alter, God created life through us. He bought me the $7,000 engagement ring at the worst of our relationship and (as I know it now) at the height of his affiar).
I do believe he is a good person, who has a personality disorder (probably Narcisstic) maybe (Borderline). If, he were to seek intensive therapy for both his addiction to infatuation/romanticism and rage, I would consider re-building. However, I don't see either of those happening. I see alot of ambivalence about me and our relationship, I see a whole lot of confusion as to his core identity, I see a man who is truly lost.
But a man who wants to stay that way too. He could get help if he wants it
SO I guess I must run away?
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I have no knowledge of him using, perhaps it's a possiblitiy . how would I find that out?
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krust, Here is CK's first post..... I posted my situation on the "Just Found Out" forum. The only person to respond told me that weekends are slow and to check out this "General Questions" forum. Here is my original post though:
I am a 35 y/o woman and my fiance of 3 years, is the WS. I found out about his affair in January of 2005. Our son was only 9 months old at the time. When I opened the hidden email account I was devastated to find that WS's affair spanned nearly as long as our relationship had. When I confronted him, he became enraged, he threw his razor blade (he was getting out of the shower at the time). It split my head open. I tried to call for help but he ripped the phone out of the wall. Our baby witnessed me having to crawl out the front door to the street to get help for my head injury. He was arrested for Assault& Battery w/ a Deadly Weapon and Intimdidation of a Witness (both felony charges in this state). Because of the restraining order I took out, I had to leave my WS and remove my things from our home. I have been staying with my mother until I can save enough money for an apartment. I receive a disability and never have had enough income to accumulate any savings. I booked me and WS a counseling appointment and went for several visits until....I snooped through his email and I found out that he had put out a personal ad online and was already in the process of dating other women. I felt betrayed all over again. I cannot, as much as I try to wrap my brain around all of his behaviior, understand why he has done all this. I have offered him multiple choice questions like: "Do you think your philandering has an addictive quality? B/c we can get you help for that? Is it because you are angry with me to get back at me? Is it because you can't handle the emotional intimacy I keep striving to get from you?" to which he always answers, "I don't know why I do it." I don't know!!!! wtf is that? Why has he continued to give me hope for a reconciliation while simultaneously seeking out other women? He is truly the epitome of a duplicitous person. And I cannot identify with why someone would do that?
After the discovery of his affair, I phoned the OW and called her many choice words. It was an emotionally driven instinctual decision to confront her too. I also asked her what kind of person she is. How could she play 50% part in destroying a brand new family? How could she expose innocents to her swinging lifestyle and disease? THis woman calls herself a Chrisian? After I hung up, granted I gave her a 3 minute earful, and many things I screamed weren't nicey nicey....This OW had the nerve to call the police department on me for "harrassment". I was not arrested or anything but was told by the police in her town if I ever tried to contact her I could be arrested. That self righteous bee-otch ! How can she claim harrassment? I think to myself, doesn't she see her part in the destruction of a family? I take that as harrassing!!!
The counselor that me and WS saw til I knew of his further betrayal told us that she couldn't help us b/c WS needed to do some indiv. work before she could help us as a couple. She says that he has issues that pre-existed our relationship that desperately need dealing with. But WS never made an appointment but instead hopped back online and spends his time on casual sex and personal websites. So I started seeing her individually. There is a section in this forum mentioning some BS go on anti-depressants. My therapist suggests me going on one. However, I am still a nursing mother and cannot take those medications (lack of longitudal studies/effects on neural developement in infants) I have cried nearly every day and then there are days I am filled with rage. Most days it is a struggle just to do the ordinary: keep my baby's diapers changed, feed him, play with him , and occaisionally have the emotional energy to put on a facade and smile and sing to him. And the irony is, that even after all WS's cruelty, I love him, I miss him, I want him to want me back. And that is the cruelest paradox, b/c WS seems light years away from loving me...even if he says he does. If having secret affairs is how he thinks you are supposed to love someone, than I have to question if he even knows what love is?
I still have so many unanswered questions that my counselor family, friends cannot answer: How did it happen I ask myself? when was the moment he stopped loving me? Why couldn't he express his dissatisfaction with his life? I begged him for months to open up and share himself to no avail. In fact the opposite happened, the more I sought intimacy the more he retreated from me. WS himself, says he doesn't know why he does what he does. But yet why won't he enter therapy to figure it out? I would think a person would be petrified about engaging in a behavior that equates in the loss of their family?
Even now as I have a bad day, become frightened overwhelmed, it's been reflexive to call the man I love, my best friend for helpl. But I call my WS only to have him yell at me and tell me I am "too draining" that he doens't need to "put up with (my) bull*hit" that he doesn't want to talk about the affair (s), can't I just move on? why must I bring up "heavy " things? Is he living in Bizarro land or something? heavy things? my whole g'damn life is freaking heavy b/c of what he's done!!!
Before finding this website, I felt that my experience was ineffable, I couldn't aptly even convey to another person the pain inside of me. It is so true when they say that it is tantamount to living through a natural diaster.
The worst thing that happens in my brain on a daily basis I have images of my WS and OW that intrusively flood my brain, in their contorted sexual positions. What makes it worse is that during these images I was sitting at home desperate for attention/affection 8 months pregnant, hoping beyond hope he would come home and hold me. I do the best I can to keep distracted but I am not always successful at purging the images from my consciousness. Sometimes I am ashamed to admit I end up drinking to forget it all. Of course that is only temporary relief.
I still wonder the same questions that are pondered in so many posts here: why? what in the samhill happened? I search for at least closure from him now, and am not trying to pursue a relationship (knowing I can never stand a chance)and still he answers...." I dont know" why he had the affair, "I don't know" why he puts personal ads out, "I don't know" what he wants out of life....this mind you, coming from the man that begged me to have his child, the same man that coulnd't wait to be a father. this from the man who looked into my eyes as we conceived our child and told me I was his soulmate.
I told him recently that I am scared of being homeless, that I cannot stay at my mothers very much longer and am overwhelmed with anxiety about where to go, financially unable to put a roof over our son's head on the disability income. His response to all this, "that's not my problem" spoken in a truly callous and cruel way.
It seems my own pattern of behavior is to go through cycles where I get angry and blast him for all the hurt only to retract it later and apologize for the way I said it. But this is the first time I have been able to distance myself from calling him and not answering his emails. It's only been a week. There are emails from him trickling in. asking if my email is still active, asking if he can see his son....
and I am rageful, he wasn't thinking about his son when he gave me an STD from that whorish OW! passed it on to our infant son (because I am breastfeeding) He wasn't thinking about our son's little heart ache about being ripped out of his home, the only stabliity he had. and now I am supposed to feel sorry for my WS?
His A&B trial is coming up in August and as for the violence he commited, I will get my day in court. But what hurt me more than any head wound was his betrayal of me with that bee-otch OW. I find out that she has 2 kids of her own, apparantly a single mother of two teenage boys. She is involved in a" swinger " lifestyle. what kind of mother goes after men who are engaged with a baby on the way? where the fluck has society's values and morals gone? couldn't she look for a nice single man?
After reading your posts I realized that I am not alone. that I am not the anomaly or outliar value here. That this problem (infidelity) is more pervasive than I had ever imagined.
I feel and identify so strongly with many poster's here...your soul's pain. Some questions for this forum? Do things get better? you are further along in this than I? Does the pain stop? do you stop missing them? Do the WS ever regret what they have done? Do they regret losing the people who truly loved them? Will my heart stop that gut wrenching sorrow? Will I ever get any closure on why he did this? Will he ever give me an understanding why they did it? kept doing it? Why won't my WS ever feel not a drop of empathy for the loved ones they have hurt so profoundly? Will my WS ever feel anything? How could he have gone from the beautiful man I accepted an engagement ring from to the Mr. Hyde he has become?
ANY responses are welcome from both WS's to BS's; if you have time to reply. Seems that's all I have right now is hours and hours that feel like an eternity to get through. Hours of analyzing and trying to gain insight and understanding. I have bought books, scoured through articles on infidelity but still am no closer to understanding why my WS did this?
Me: WS/BS Him: BS/WS D-day 1: 07/08/03 my 4mo EA/PA D-day 2: 09/12/04 his exit EA D final 05/12/2005
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Cereal,
I found tatertot's excellent thread on meth and bumbed it to the top. Please check it out very carefully.
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