That didn't work. Sorry for that above post.

I somehow feel responsible for some of this animosity going on towards Lemon for replying on my thread. I certainly understand his feeling the way he does about the advice SH gave to me. Lemon, along with just about everyone else who knows my story, disagrees with SH. I totally understand this attitude. I only wish I had it myself.

Lemon was telling me how he feels towards the advice I was given. Perhaps he put it to me too bluntly, but if he hadn't - he knew I would not hear it !! That is his nature. And for his advice, comments and concerns I am very grateful and humble. I feel honored almost.

Having never read your story before, Lemon, I commend you on your actions. I know you were only doing your job. But here is another example of how - right gets right back. When you do the right thing, it comes right back to you. And it did. Many times over and you know it. Almost makes being good seem selfish !!

I doubt if I have made my point clear here. I just want to thank you, Lemon for telling me what I need to hear. What you feel is the best advice whether others agree with it or not. For that I am very grateful.

Thanks again, I hope you are around to help others on this board for many more years !!!

Carnation

You are not responsible for how Lemonman posts to you (nor anyone's feelings of animosity).


We all post and feel what we want to here on the board.

Susan <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Carnation:

I purposefully did not post on your thread because this is not at all about you. I agree with Susan.

LM and I have a history of trying to understand each other. I have grown from this dialogue with him immensely.

I do not know much about your situation. I have to admit.

It is important for me to stress that I do not have ANIMOSITY towards LM at this point.

I specifically was questioning his need for NAME-CALLING, not the content of his post to you or his questioning of Steve Harley's recommendations..

I wish you the best....

Me again. Don't mean to threadjack. I was just trying to defend Lemon. Which, of course, he does not need.(or, does everyone need more understanding and compassion?) But I do feel a little responsible for him having to be so blunt with me. (yikes, here when I thought I was making progress, I am enabling everyone !!!)

I guess I try to sugar-coat everything. Doing it again.

So sorry for turning this Anniversay Celebration into my own thread. So sorry, Lemon. I hope you do understand what I am trying to do here.

Back to Lemonman Thread.....

Car

Carnation....

Perhaps you can use this experience to learn that it is OK when people respectfully disagree and discuss things without fear.

You see "animosity" where there is only healthy and boisterous debate.

My sense is that you don't want ~anyone~ to have hurt feelings. In particular LM this time.

Trust me, LM is just fine. He's not a baby. He is not defenseless. LM carries a HAMMER <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and he knows how to hit things with it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

And when Mimi thinks she has a bone to pick with LM, she is learning how to do that and not run away or get all upset .... she has come a long way in that regard.

We actually ~like~ the little doctor, believe it or not!

even though I have a serious BONE to pick with him myself !!!! .... "on your knees RN"

~reeeeeally~ ... you do deserve a *smack* on the head for that one! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

All the doctors secretly know that it is the nurses who are truly worthy of homage, and their insecurity leads them to act out. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Happy 1 yr, LM. You sure add a tang to the board. And maybe I'm kooky, but it seems like you pretty much encourage the same thing as the 'zealots', just each in a different way: the recovery of dignity and pride, learning to be true to one's self, and if marital recovery occcurs along with that, then great.

Most BS's do need to make that shift, from wanting to be married and secure at almost any price, to setting a very high value on themselves and never settling for less. I certainly would not want to shortchange any of the other wonderful folks who nursed me along to that point, and I am grateful to every one of them, but several of your comments were the final 'aha'. I hope you stick around to keep sharing, and clobbering, for a good long time to come.

Pep,

How did I miss this, "on your knees RN"!!! ROFLOL

Geez, you guys were slow on this one. I thought there would be fall out from this about 12 hours ago.

SM <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

So you were joking?

Trying to get a reaction from US?

Car:

Thanks for your kind words....BUT.....

Please woman....you shouldn't worry one second about me and certainly shouldn't try and take any heat off me for posts and thoughts that I am 100% responsible and accountable for. I am a big boy and fully realize that what I sometimes (or alot <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) say "bluntly" may offend some people, so if I say it, I need to be man enough to take the "offenses" to it. It is no biggie. The particular poster who took offense to this is not a suprise to me at all, and she should 100% be able to show her "differing opinion" towards my views, and I am fine with that. Outside of the admittedly juvenille references I made <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />(re: "zeals" and "pope") I fully stand behind my view on this situation. It can be "spun" (which ofcourse she so eloquently did) every which way but loose, BUT the FACTS as perceived BY ME stay the same. Someone being rubbed the "wrong" way or someone's "animosity" won't change that... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, pulleeeze.

In the end though, that is what is so great about this board. You can take the stuff you find helpful, and toss the rest. It will NEVER offend me if you or anyone for that matter don't appreciate, agree or like my advice. I mean well and only hope the best for your situation. This is not a popularity contest for me (obviously) , and I am ready, willing, and able to take posts that may significantly differ with mine. It is all good to me.

Now enough about me, what about you? What is new in the situation. The CS may be "accounted" for, but what about the core issues you are still having with your Wayward?

SM <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

OFCOURSE I WAS JOKING MIMI. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Lighten up.

SM

LM:

What makes you think I'm not being LIGHT?

Is that your answer to my question?

You did the name-calling because you were JOKING?

Do you think I'm UPSET, LM? I'm really not.

If you chose to continue to name-call, that's your choice..

I was just wondering if you wanted to explain further why you do this.

Again, is it your answer that you do it for fun?

Mimi:

What are we talking about here?

The RN reference was a joke.

The "pope" comment and "zeal" comment was poking a little fun at the people who take the literal word of this site's creator as something like gospel (all of the comments like "Don't you dare go into PLan B without calling Steve first, or "Steve says that you should stay in the plan this long" or whatever). Somtimes IMVHO it is a little over the top. As if he has any real control over what happens in this life. It was admittedly juvenille and offensive and in poor taste. I am sorry for using the references and I will not use those words in conjunction with this site again. What was innocent fun to me was "offensive" to other people, and I fully appreciate that. I am sorry that you were hurt by the juvenille references I made. It is all in the "growth" for me. I am not perfect, and I erred here.

Sour... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I personally was not looking for an apology. I appreciate it though. I want to converse with you further about this when I have a bit more time.

You said:



I want you to hear that I am not "hurt"! Why do you think that I am "hurt" by your comments.

I said I DON'T UNDERSTAND your need to make such comments.

Why would I be "hurt" Just because you may be calling me a "zeal" doesn't mean that I am one. Were you referring to ME when you used that description? Why would I make such an assumption? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mimi:

No need to "flog" this point. I don't think there is anything to "understand" about the comments I made. They were not made with any evil or sinister attention to detail. It was a stupid, off handed comment that was made by me. There wasn't a greater plan behind it. Sometimes we say things that are inapporpiate and uncalled for. There is NO hiding the fact that there are some philosophical differences of opinion that I have with the "concepts" and that was a little swipe at those "differences". It was nothing more than that.

I singled you out, solely for the fact that you are the one who specifically asked me about this, and you would not have done so if you weren't in some way affected by my words....perhaps "hurt" is the wrong word here. In all honesty, I believe you for some reason are trying to make this out to be more than it is. If this is something that you still want to discuss, by all means please do so, but I have to be honest with you here, I am not sure what else I could say to assuage your curiosity.

SM <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

hmmm...

I think anyone who is here to roll up their sleeves work honestly on his/herself is to be celebrated.

We are all work in progress. Glad you are here Mr Sour!

I did see this right away ... but the thread where you (pardon the pun) slipped it in ... was grimly serious ... I could not bring myself to reply in kind ... I mean, the poor woman was tearing herself up with guilt and remorse, and in you come making BJ jokes ... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

ROFL-PIMP

My reply included words like "tweezers" and "magnifying glass" ... but I did not want to "point out" the obvious <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

You have to sincerely love this stuff. And we are calling this a "marriage building" board right?

SM

NOT this thread

LOL

What I am doing is to try to get to know you better. I am interested in you. I really didn't understand. Really... I don't understand such humor. I will go away..not fleeing..but I will go away. It's just not funny to me.
I just don't get it....


By talking about it, doesn't mean that I am making a big deal out it, does it?

Answer me this one question:

Were you kidding when you insinuated that Steve Harley may be trying to sell more books?

I'm not sure why I'm not getting these jokes..I guess I don't have to get the jokes...

OH MY.....