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i screwed up big time.
it is over.
i got baited and i proved singlehandedly that I have justified everything with my actions.
the marriage is over, he wants nothing to do with me except to raise the kids.
thats it.
it isn't babble.
i have been deluding myself and thinking that I could just leave things alone and move forwards.
I couldn;t.
I am angry and I am hurt and having him here is too painful for me too deal with.
I can not do this anymore.
he hates me,and I have given him every reason to.
I am tired of prolonging and hoping that I could somehow save my marriage,His mind was already made up.
all of my efforts were supposedly insincere, and I am now the jealous ****** because I only wanted him because I couldn;t have him.
maybe he is right, I do not know, I am too upset right now.
I have asked him to leave, I can;t stand having him here anymore.

Yes, I did every single love buster, I am tired of my feelings being negated.
my communication skills are greatly lacking, and I have proven that I am uncivil and rude.
I am sorry that all of you were rooting for me to make this work, but I have too many of my own issues that I have to take care of.
I have let myself down and my kids down, and have made a complete [censored] of myself.
My apology to my H comnes accross as insincere and I have no way to back it up. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />


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Ok, slow down Sm, take a minute to compose yourself and try to explain what happened. You might have committed Lb's but maybe you still have a chance.


In the end, I have nothing to lose but everything to gain, by trying to save my marriage.

Me, betrayed wife 46
Former Wandering Husband, 51 E/A 2005
28 years of marriage
DD 26, DS 24
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I am tired of my feelings being negated.

I told you to lock up or distract your taker. Can you see what happens when you don't ?

Write down your sit. I BET its not as terrible as you think. You can learn from it.


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OK here is the sitch....
This morning H began to tell me that I do not spend enough time with the kids and I do not know them.
I am too strict with them and do not show them enough love.
I was harsh with my son 11, as he forgot to brush his teeth this morning and I was irritated.
He said he never hears me telling them I Love them.
I felt very defensive, because I have been here alone doing this job by myself, and I told him so.
I told him that I was sick of that fact that I have been left to do it all by myself when he was supposed to be off looking for a job and wasted 12 weeks hanging out with his "friend".
That got him defensive.
He then proceeded to tell me that since i had ruined their friendship, and because I am an unsafe person, he can not trust me.All of my encouragement has been creepy and insincere. It was all a form of manipulation.
I wanted to know why he believed everything she said but will not hear my side of the story.He said because I have proven that I am a liar and a manipulator and if she lied it was only because she knew how unsafe I was and knew I would over react.
Then he brought up the email incident again./
I told him that I was not moving to CA to live anywhere close to where she was.
Then he said he already ended his relationship with her, and besides as the marriage is over anyway, it isn't any of my business anyway.
I told him that I was not done with his friend, as I was sick and tired of the constant lies and deceit the two of them gave to me.
So, then I was accused of threatening her safety.
I told him I would not do anything to take myself away from my children.
I told him I was very hurt by all that he had dome to me, all of the lies, he said he had to lie because I could never handle the truth because I am so angry and reactionary.
I also made mention of the fact that had he not wasted his time , he would have had a job by now and that we woudln't be in this financial mess.
I also used some foul language,a nd told him that he was a bad father, showing up to visit the kids and then planning on leaving me in the ****** again by myself.
He brought up the last 20 years, and that he only married me because I was pregnant and he never loved me.
He tried to love me and wanted to make it work but I was too hostile and angry,and never ever met his needs.
As far as he is concerned the only thing he wants is to have time with his kids.
He will learn how to be civil with me.
That is all.
He said the only reason I want him is not because I love him but because I was jealous of his relationship with OW.
That I have never loved him properly.
He then wanted to go through my computer to make sure that I didn't steal her address book and would use it to harrass OW.
He pissed me off, and we just began yelling at each other.
It was awful.
Then he called my therapist and told her I was out of control and mentally ill.

I know words were said in anger, but it is not all true.
I have admitted that i made HUGE mistakes in our marriage, but he says it is all too late.
I had enough opportunities and never changed, so it is done.


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My dear. Pure scripted babble.

No you should not have cussed at him. But the rest of it was his unadulterated BABBLE that every single WS (many of whom did go back to their spouses) has babbled many many times.

can your marriage be saved? I don't know...its way too early to call it.

I should point out that I actually wrote a very heartfelt letter to my husband after probably 12 months of separation. He almost said what your husband did word for word.

Right now, while his affair is on, (and it is on) he's not going to respond positiviely to ANYTHING you say.

seriously. Detach dear.


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I was gonna say the same thing. Notice the very first sentences of his post. Hello! Fog talk!

Saving, reread that whole post that you wrote, that is some of the most obvious fog babble ever.

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OK, well it was S11 birthday, we all went out for dinner.
In the evening, H and I prepared some marinade stuff for tonights dinner, and then we watched TV for a couple of hours together.
He started to bring up some things again, and I said, "you know, today was very emotional for both of us, the subject is over,a nd there is no need to discuss it further".
Today he has been polite, and has been on the computer all morning, looking for a job.
Just giving him his space and getting on with my day.


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Things much quieter at home.

We have been doing stuff with the kids, and cooking some really amazing things.
I am actually starting to enjoy his company again.
I miss the physical stuff, I wish i could hold his hand or ask for a hug, but I am too afraid.
Right now things are civil and cordial.
MIL leaves on Friday morning 5AM...YEAH!!!
S18 will be home Friday afternoon.
We have a fun weekend planned with the kids, I feel some sense of normalcy again.
BUT I am on guard, I know that this will not last forever, as I do not know how long he is planning on staying.
He is still looking for jobs online, but has broadened his search to places I want to live too.
He showed me his cell phone and let me see that "her" name is no longer in it nor are any of her texts of voice mails, etc.
It has been 4 weeks since NC, and I am feeling much better.


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I guess all good things must come to an end.
H got an interview for a job in CA.
He will be leaving on Wednesday, the interview is on Friday.
He plans on staying in CA for a week.
If he doesn't get the job he says he is coming back, if he does get the job, well, I guess thats that.
I feel badly for my kids, as they really love having their dad home.
I feel sad because we are getting along and it seems like such a shame that the visit is over so quickly.
I am trying to believe that God is in control not ME.
He doesn't seem as depressed, and is more relaxed, not so on edge like before.
Maybe we have left him enough "happy" memories to give him something to think about when he leaves.


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By the way, the job is in Southern CA not N.
Which means nowhere near OW!!!!


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Wouldn't you move to CA to be with him?


Me BS 44
XH 45
M 20 years
D19
D12
DDay 11.29.04
Separated 12.29.04
Plan A 24.02.05
Plan B 10.9.05
Plan D 2.2.06
Divorce 13.6.06
OW - former friend and D12's x-godmother (Skunkypoo)
OWH - philander, XH's former best friend (still shares skunkypoo with XH)


Anger = drinking a rat poison and waiting/wishing the rat would notice you drink it and the rat die from it.
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It all depends on what happens.
I think if he gets the job I will need to wait for a while and make sure that it is a permanent thing, before I sell up and move 3000 miles away.
I also want to know what will happen to "us".
I have to just wait and see <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
I am praying that he will want to give our marriage another chance, right now I doubt that is even on his mind.


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Getting ready to take all of the kids out for a "family"day.
They are all excited, hope H will have a good attitude.
He leaves on Wednesday, sad because my daughter and I have our birthdays on Thursday, and usually H has taken us both out for something special.
So this year will be different.
I can not read him anymore.
He confuses me with the babble and the mood swings.
What is he looking for?
Why can't he see that he has a family who loves him and wants him here with us.
He is searching for something, and I don't think he will ever find it.
Maybe when he hits rock bottom he may have a reality check.
Is pride a huge issue for men?
Why does he get so uncomfortable when I am being kind or polite?
Is it guilt? I just wish I could get inside of his head and know what he is really thinking.


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"Why does he get so uncomfortable when I am being kind or polite?
Is it guilt? I just wish I could get inside of his head and know what he is really thinking."

I can see that Codependent No More is really working for you!

Not snide...just nudging you back into your amazing, lovely self. Do you feel comfortable with being kind and polite? Does it make you feel guilty? Your head is what matters.

Thank you so much for being here.

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FROM The Prodigal's Perspective - (book by Bob Steinkamp)

"Did you really want Charlyne to find someone else after your divorce?"

No, I did not, nor have I ever talked with a prodigal who seriously
desired that their one-flesh mate find and become involved with
someone else. They may exist, but I have never encountered a prodigal
whose heart-felt desire was that someone else take their place. I do
know, however, scores of prodigals who went haywire when their
abandoned spouse began to date.

Why then, do we prodigals carry on about our abandoned mates finding
someone else, and getting on with life, when we do not really mean it?
To alleviate our own guilt. We attempt to justify that if our spouse
was involved with someone, we would not appear as guilty to family, to
friends, and even to God.

The area of someone else is make-it or break-it territory for the
stander. You have a grand opportunity to wear your ring, and to
declare in word and in action that you are married. You also have the
dangerous opportunity to do possibly irreparable damage to your stand
by doing anything that is near dating. Needless to say, dating to
make your prodigal jealous is like throwing a match into gasoline. It
simply will not work.

Early one Saturday morning while we were divorced, I called our home
to arrange to pick up our children for the day. A man answered with,
"Charlyne's home." He refused to tell me who he was, or why he was
there. He also refused to allow me to speak with "my wife," as I
referred to Charlyne during that call. We will not be discussing my
reactions, nor what I was thinking. It later turned out that two
church families, who knew Charlyne was having a hard time, had come
that morning to help her around our home. The ladies had gone with
Charlyne to purchase supplies, while the men started on minor home
repairs. When the phone rang, one of them had answered. Until that
day, perhaps like your spouse, I had been encouraging Charlyne to
start dating. Not until I thought that had happened, did I really
come to know my own heart on this matter.

The Lord worked all this out, according to His timing, and without
Charlyne's help. If you attempt to make your spouse jealous, I can
promise disastrous results for everyone involved. Just ask the woman
who hung men's clothing on her clothesline and damaged her reputation,
or the one who had a relative park different cars in front of her home
until the police took notice.

Once again, if you want to be like Charlyne, go out of your way not to
become involved in anything that could make your prodigal spouse
jealous. If God can sustain this entire world, right down to each
individual, He knows and can carry out what is best for your family's
restoration. -R.E.S.


From: Rejoice Ministries (in a Charlyne Cares devotional)


WHAT DO PRODIGAL SPOUSES THINK ABOUT? (June, 2000)

We think about how happy we could be with someone else.

We think about how our mate nags us (but that is not really true).

We think about how to leave home without hurting our spouse.

We think (and act) tough, otherwise this thing would kill us inside.

We think like a teen-ager again.

Strange, but we think about how to mold that other person to be
just like the mate we are walking out on.

We think about right and wrong, and about God, and we justify what
we are doing.

We think about sin.

We think about sex.

We think about our spouse.

We think about being single (yet that seems so strange).

We think about being trapped by that other person.

We think how we hope our kids never do what we are doing.

We think about home.

We think how foolish we are.

We think about family times.

We think how much we wish that other person would go away.

We think about death (and about Heaven and ******).

We think how disappointed our family must be in us.

We think how disappointed our Heavenly Father must be in us.

We think about going home-so simple yet so complicated.

We think about that mate who is praying for us and things seem OK.

We think about talking to someone about going home, but we never do.

We think about being with our spouse when we we are with someone else.

We think we heard from God (but probably not, the way I am living).

We think about home.

We think about wanting just to hear our mate's voice and laughter.

We think about praying, but feel too guilty for God to ever listen.

We think we heard from God again.

We think how we could go home. It seems so simple now.

We think about that message we are hearing from God, in a hundred
ways, over and over and over again.

We think how much our spouse has changed and wonder if it would work.

We think about how unhappy we are in a counterfeit lifestyle.

We think we heard God tell us to go home!

We think about being forgiven by God and a loving and standing mate.

We think we just heard the mate that we once trashed say, "You are
welcome here." (Your home will never look better than on that day!)

We think less and less about that other person (but it takes time).

We think how God could use us some day to keep other couples out of
the mess that we survived.

We think how grateful we are for a mate who would not forget us
and, "get on with your life," as everyone suggested.

We think about our right relationship with Jesus Christ.

We think that our mate wrote the book on forgiveness.

We think (and we know) that being at home, loving the Lord and a
covenant mate is pure joy.

God bless you,
Bob Steinkamp
Rejoice Marriage Ministries
PO Box 11242
Pompano Beach, FL 33061
www.rejoiceministries.org

===================================================================
THIRTEEN YEARS LATER -

It was thirteen years on July 7, 2000 since our remarriage. What
does a returned prodigal think about now? I think about a wife who
would not give up, no matter what I threw at her. I think how for-
tunate I am that she and God continued to love me. I think about
God using us to help more hurting spouses than could have ever been
imagined. I think about the bill we will pay this morning for cas-
sette tapes. (Have you ever thought about the day-to-day expenses
of a ministry?)


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H gone back to CA.
We had a really nice visit, he said he didn't want to leave.
He has 3 job interviews next week, all in CA.
Guess we will just wait and see what happens next.
There was no relationship talk, and no divorce talk.
I think he left with alot to think about.


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Hi Gimble, haven't heard from you in a while.
Still working my [censored] off in plan A.
Had a nice visit with H he left a couple of days ago.
He sent flowers to me and my daughter for our birthdays.
He has been calling alot, just to give me updates on the job sitch, etc.
He actually responed to my email, which surprised me.
He usually ignores them, but I sent him a little note just to say thank you for the flowers.
NC with OW for 5 weeks now...yeah!!
He has 3 job interviews next week, and had one yesterday.
Funny how focused he has suddenly become when OW is not a distraction!
IF he doesn't get any of these jobs, he will be coming home, as he has nowhere else to go, and will look for work over here. BIL is not thrilled that he has returned, and wants him out ASAP.
I think this is his last ditch effort of trying to find work in CA.
I think that is a good thing.
He enjoyed his visit home, and said that it was over too soon.
We spent alot of time together and other then a couple of bumps in the road the visit went well.
He actually cried when it was time to leave.
He said how much he has missed the kids.
Of course there was no mention of me.
He didn't bring up the divorce, or any realtionship issues.
He thanked for me for my hospitality and gave me a hug.
No ILY no nothing, but at least we are communicating.
I guess this is going to be a long process.
Keep praying for God to show him what he is walking away from.


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Sounds like you're doing ok, and the homecoming has given Fred something to think about while he is looking for another job.
Sounds like there is still hope.


In the end, I have nothing to lose but everything to gain, by trying to save my marriage.

Me, betrayed wife 46
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DD 26, DS 24
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Discovery 8-20-05 Recovery ongoing.
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