I would not stop dating someone if the first kiss is a bad one(Depending on what he does) so I am not so sure on that point but if it contiued it would turn me off.

I don't agree that "Affection is an EN, kissing IS NOT." If I associate kissing as an expression of Affection, then it is important to ME. It's not the total picture of "Affection", but it might be weighted more by me as a sign of Affection than some other behaviors.

As far as someone using kissing for something other than what it means to me, I don't have control over their interpretation or intent. It just means that I won't assume that it has the same meaning. That still doesn't mean that it isn't a part of the EN of "Affection" for me.

I do agree that we should be open to exploring other ways of creating a successful relationship. Keep in mind, however, that other cultures have also been socially conditioned. Also, my definition of "successful" may not be the same as someone else's. If it's a matter of not divorcing, I don't necessarily see that as a "successful relationship".

Setting that aside....
I always find it a bit humerous that on internet dating profiles someone states that "You must be a good kisser". Hmmmmmmmmmmm...how do I know what they define as a "good" kisser? More importantly, I don't go around kissing myself to find out if I'm a good kisser!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I find most women to be rather shallow in regards to the first kiss. They want instant fireworks, instant chemistry and don't want to work on a relationship at all. It's very sad. They are often guilty of the exact thing they blame on men.

I have practiced my kissing so the first one is, I hope, pleasureable, if not great. But, if she is going to dump me because she doesn't like the first kiss, she is much to shallow for me anyway.