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In some ways I don't really want an answer to this, but I guess that I have to ask. Do all men really participate in self-gratification? My husband says that it is definately yes, but I am having a problem believing this. I have been remarried now for almost 2 years and this is all new to me. After attending a marriage seminar for the first time, my new husband felt convicted to confess this habit (I feel addiction) to me. This in and of it self isn't as disturbing to me as there was also viewing of in appropriate pictures (an area that my husband told me he had only failed in once in his previous marriage). To make a very long story shorter, I have come to find out that this has been a long standing practice and I feel that it is emotional infidelity. I know this is an addition and my husband assured me that it was over, though I know you could never just drop something like that. Anyway, he has just informed me that he failed in this area today after he had been victorious for 4-5 months. Do all men really do this? Do other wives have to deal with this? My first marriage was for 18.5 years and I never knew of this happening.
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I would say that any man who denies they ever mas[i][/i]turbate is a black liar.
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Yea all men do it, and do it all the time. All men look at pics and do it. I do it most everyday, tho im seperated, but I did it most everyday when we were together. My wife never cared about it at all.
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people can certainly make a conscious decision to do so or to not do so...
it is a choice.......... as is veiwing certain pictures or images.......
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I think most men do this and so do a lot of women. Once every 4-5 months would not be a drain on your emotional connection. I think it is much more frequent for most men.
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Do most women consider this emotional infidelity? Even if they are not that interested in having sex with their husbands?
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I honestly don't see this as an EA of any kind. The pictures/video/whatever are simply a "visual aid". Go to a fertility clinic some time. There are "visual aids" for the husbands to use while they are making their "contribution" and if you think that someone is going through the act of mastrubation into a speciman cup because they like it, you've got another thing coming. They're doing it because they have such a strong emotional bond with their wife and they want to have children.
Add to that the fact that Sexual Fulfillment is often higher on the mans list of emotional needs than it is the womans. Given the choice, I'd venture to guess that your husband would pick you over his hand any day. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Of course. It is natural. It is part of self awareness too. To know exactly what & how you like it. If you can & you want to, & you've got the time & place, & it does not interfere with your ability to satisfy your partners desires (it can actually enhance a healthy adult relationship), why not if healthy? Obviously there are real limits. Neglecting or endangering children, family, work and/or other real world commitments then the individual needs more than a helping hand. Check out this site recovery nation - check list for an addict if you have doubts. Good Luck Ktulu
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VallyMom Wow your husband is being sooooo honest with you.
He told you he pleasured himself after a 4-5 month dry spell.
I hope you thanked him for trusting you with his own sense of letting you down.
Keep on keeping on Ktulu
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VallyMom Wow your husband is being sooooo honest with you.
He told you he pleasured himself after a 4-5 month dry spell.
I hope you thanked him for trusting you with his own sense of letting you down.
Keep on keeping on Ktulu I agree. I would also ask if he has been getting "rejected" for sex (i.e., differing frequencies of desire, etc.) that would contribute to his seeming need for the "doing it yourself" option? I would also state that if he is using pornography as an "aid," there are other problems to deal with, as that IS a form of adultery "in the mind." Not knowing whether or not ValleyMom and her husband are Christians, that's about all I'd offer as my opinion in response to the question.
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Caution, this post is somewhat X rated.
Masturbation is common with men. This is in the same light as women who yearn for passion in their life and has the same root causes. Men masturbate so they can fantasize about something that is lacking in their relationship such as their yearning for more variety in their sex life. Or they want sex without the commitment, just sex, uncluttered by emotional overtones.
Hey, they may just be reliving the time in their teen age years when that young body rejected them in a cruel way - with a diffent outcome. Just as women are affected by sexual abuse from their early teen years, men are also affected in many and diverse ways that may not be abuse, but the long term effects are still real. In other words, they are fantasizing and there are a lot of fantasies that are possible depending on the particular male.
Unfotunately, just as with women, masturbation can lead to feelings the end result of which is an affair. In my opinion, masturbation is NOT a healthy outlet to avoid vulnerabily to an affair, but instead, it can be the precursor FOR an affair. In other words, it isn't enough to masturbate, sooner or later, under the right circumstances, the real thing happens.
Internet Porn is a HUGE issue today. Men are addicted to a much higher degree than women. Male emotional needs that source from Male Entitlement and other causes, fuel the industry - billions of dollars.
Men have fantasies just like women. Men may be locked into the "Mad, glad or sad" emotional index but they do have emotions that go beyond those simplistic ways of expressing them, they just don't have the words or the upbringing that allow them to focus on root causes and deal internally with the feelings. Men commonly look to something outside of themselves to deal with their feelings, so Internet Porn and masturbation is a temporary relief that can and often does become an addiction that interferes with healthy relationships for them or their partner.
So what do you do about it, if anything.
The first thing is to admit that Harlequin Romance novels and Playboy have a lot in common. Each caters to either female or male fantasies that do not contribute to a healthy relationship. It may be that neither party can ever relate to the other totally and if that is ok, then move on with your life. But if one or both parties feels threatened by masturbation (male or female) then some work needs to be done.
Why admit that both Harlequin (or equivilent) and Penthouse (or equivilent) are wrong? Because this REMOVES female entitlement issues from the process. In other words, if females have the same problem in great numbers, it is much harder for a woman to feel it is just a "guy" thing and thus be in a position to be more sympathetic WITH they guy who has the problem, or maybe, just maybe, they both do.
By removing female entitlement, female spouse can become a part of the solution instead of contributing to the problem by being sanctimonious. Females sanctimonious about males, perish the thought.
"MEN" is always a bad thing said in that tone of voice when the reality is that it is females too <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Hey, women are supposed to have more empathy - right? So use it.
Solution? Well maybe. As always, my opinions are my own and your mileage may vary.
If the two of you can talke about the issue (BOTH issues) without confrontation, that is a start. Maybe that is a healthy way to start the dialogue. You think?
Men fantasize about a lot of things; impregnation, variety (lots of issues there), bodies (men are visual), zipless sex (without the emotional overtones), submission (his or hers), the female who rejected them now submitting, domination (his or hers), and more variety in the act itself. Normally they are fantasizing about something or someone they do not have a relationship with. I mean, get real, does a guy masturbate about his wife and a common act they do together? Well maybe sometimes because she is unavailable for whatever reason - but not usually.
I will leave it up to you ladies to tell us what women fantasize about, if you are willing to do so with honesty. Be careful, some guy might be reading this <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
The first step is for a woman who is dealing with a guy to want to cater to his fantasies. Can you do that? Role playing can be a good thing. This can lead to a higher state of bonding, IMHO. My wife and I always had a deal with role playing. It was when it stopped that we got infected by something else. grrrrr.
If you can get the guy to talk about his fantasies, that is the next step. First you admit there is a problem, detail the problem and then go for a solution. Say the problem is that he needs it more often - can you take care of that? If not, you got the problem, not him, IMHO.
Does he need variety of the sex act itself. Well, that may or may not be possible depending on factors I am not going to address here. This is going into areas I am not comfortable talking about in an open forum such as his need for visual stimulus that you no longer provide (child birth, etc.).
Instead, I am going to suggest something. Let him have his fantasy. After all, you probably have a few yourself, right? But ask that he act out that fantasy with you. One easy way is through, uh, provisioning yourself with access to a dietary supplement, if you get my drift. He can think anything he wants while you take care of him, but it is inescapable that you are the provider.
This may in fact be one of his primary fantasies. Uh, rejection of the by-product of said activities is NOT a good idea. And don't believe him when he says it is ok honey, it isn't.
Again, all this stuff comes out of my life experience and research, your mileage may vary.
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bless you for having to go through all of this. in spite of some to the answers you've gotten, they're not all true. not all men use porn. and as a rule, it they are truly, honestly getting enough sexual gratification then they don't go around maturbating. it might mean that once in a while the two of you have to do a quickie to go along with the other extended versions of you sex life. or it might mean that things have to get spiced up a bit. men are generally stimulated visually (though not all the time) so there might be some need there. is he sharing any dreams or fantacies that he has for the two of you? there could be something missing there. the fact that he was honest with you about "failing" after a period of abstanance proves that he is trying. i don't know if the two of you have been to one of dr. harley's seminars or not. if so i'd talk to him. there have been so many things that he has explained in a manner that would not cross many minds. as long and as much of this as he has helped others with i'd trust his words before i'd trust anyone elses. i'm just passing on some of the things that i've heard come from him. yes, masturbation can become an addiction and he is strongly against it. the only way the two of you can grow together is to learn to please each other. some have complained about not feeling like sex with all that is going on in their life, but he told them that he recommended it at least two or three times per week whether they "felt like it" or not. once your h gets his needs met and focuses on your time together his need for the other will start to take a back seat all by itself and it will get easier for him to let the other go. by all means, thank your h for being honest with you and find out if there is anything you can do to help him through this. you might both feel a little <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> at first but it could turn into something you both like a whole lot more!
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I have to tell you...this subject from a womans perspective has always confused me. I have encountered two lines of thought...one is the something is wrong for them to do this and the other is that it is normal.
I can only speak for myself...since I first "discovered" this it is a part of my life. It helped me be a better lover. why? Well...that is the only time in my sex life that it is truly all about me....when I am with someone it is all about them. It is just the way I am.
The peopel who become upset about what people "think about" or look at are IMHO a bit too controlling. Would you rather that they "think" when they're with you?
Now..I guess I will be crude and remind everyone why a dog licks himself....
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I would also say it would be tough to find a man who never had masturbated. But there are some who might have chosen not to. For instance I am a recovering sex addict and I have chosen not to do it from over two years.
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OK. Does it count for anything if you're looking at pictures or video of your own wife? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Hi VM,
I don't think anyone can say with a 100% guarantee that each and every person does this or that all the time,it's generalizing.I don't see how your H can be sure about this topic of masturbating be true for ALL men.For me,an educated guess would be that many/most men do.Personally I do not find anything wrong with it as long as it is not interfering with your sexual life as spouses.There are many people here now that have admitted to doing it since their WS's either aren't capable of SF or there isn't a willingness for one or both parties to do so being caught up in the A crisis.I know for my friends and I,it's done on occasion but it's not the same as having a fulfilling sexual enounter with a man,it's somewhat empty although it fills the physical need at the time to "help yourself".
Viewing pictures also will be a personal opinion.I do not believe it is appropriate while married.I would not want my H looking at and fantasizing about other women.I had fantasies but only of my H and I,not other men.I believe that if you love someone then no one else should be in the picture,literally or figuratively.I feel that is being unfaithful in heart,mind and soul.
And like masturbating,viewing porn or even visiting prostitutes or strip clubs,etc in excess or even at all depending upon the feelings of the partners can be harmful,addictive and destroy marriage.Unless you can watch your H 24/7,you will have to take him on his word that what he did is over and he doesn't consider it a problem aside from this last act .The "long standing" practice is unclear.Do you consider it a problem in your marriage? You said your H said he failed only once in his previous marriage.That to me wouldn't be too big of a problem but maybe more is going on.You state he feels it is a habit.
You both should discuss this with a counselor IMO.If this was an issue in the previous marriage's demise,then you would certainly want and need to explore if this is happening again and why now.Do you feel your sex life is happy and fulfilling? Does your H?
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I thank you all for your responses! I just felt I had to throw this out in a "safe," so to speak, forum. I will try to clarify some of the details and get more feed back. My husband has stated that it was one of the reasons that he xW divirced him, though I don't believe it was the major cause just more of an affirmation of what she had already decided. Yes, he did bring up the subject of frequency when he originally confessed it to me. Things had slowed down to a couple of times a week, due on my part to some stressful events in our family and at my job and also the fact that he was suffering from premature ejaculation. It just was getting old for me. I would get myself in the mood weather I was motivated or not and alot of the time I didn't get fulfilled. After the confession and the reason he has done so well, is because I found this website, read Dr. H's suggestions for this issue (of 3 months everyday, he must agree to initiate for this time period), we read through His Needs Her Needs (well most of it), and he also visited his doctor. At his point we usually only skip one or two days at most, but our lives are very busy. We both work, we both go to school, we both work in hospitals and work odd verying shifts and sometimes there is no energy/time left in the day. If I work a day shift and he works and evening shift then I am supposed to do my duty at 10, 11, 12 o'clock at night when I have to get up again early in the morning. I love my husband and I know for the most part he would rather be with me then masterbate, but he has a very manic personallity and is always going and I think he is using sex as a way relax and shut down for the night and I think it is pretty much the biggest reason that he remarried. Boy was I in for a shock. To close, and thanks for reading, I think I am just plain mad at him for having us meet with our pastor for cousuling on this subject and pretty much pulled an Adam & Eve saying my wife made me do it, when I didn't even know it was happening. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> ValleyMom
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Do all men really participate in self-gratification? My view: All men do so at some point in their lives. Those who continue to do so are likely not having their SF needs met, doing it to improve SF (decrease "triggerhappiness") or are SAs.
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Do all men really participate in self-gratification? My view: All men do so at some point in their lives. Those who continue to do so are likely not having their SF needs met, doing it to improve SF (decrease "triggerhappiness") or are SAs. I would bet you that you could find many "Sex experts" who would sorely disagree with that assertion you make. It was your "view" though, so you retain 100% entitlement in making it. Lem <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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