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I lived up there too Alluring at one time. It's ridiculous!
We did the tunnel thing too. Don't miss those days!

Drita, yes, I'm in the Northeast, WV to be exact.
Not the state I would have picked. We relocated here from Florida almost 9 years ago now. I feel like I was brought here and dumped!
Life is mysterious!

Darn, I wish we all weren't so spread out. Can you even begin to imagine the round table we could have. It would be FUN!

Take care! Happy Friday all!!
And Faith, we want that update after your date.

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BRRR - It's cold here too! 76 and steady. Supposed to get into the low 60's tonight. I'll have the electric blanket smokin! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Coming to work this morning - I was freezing my @$$ off, then realized I had the A/C on high. So I'm reaching behind my seat to get my jacket - and hit a patch of ice! Some knucklehead hauling chilled kegs of beer to City-Walk turned too quickly and some of the ice fell off the truck onto the road. Dang near crashed on that ice. They didn't close the schools though! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you stop to look fear in the face. Challenges can be stepping stones or stumbling blocks. It’s just a matter of how you look at them. The purpose of life is to live it, to reach out eagerly and without fear for newer and richer experience
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X-mas party at Fishracers'!

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Free kegs?! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
That would be handy this time of year!

Fishracer was fishtailing! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
hee hee!

Hey, you ALL are invited to my house for Christmas! I'll be alone-no kids, no man...
It's cold, but there's a HOT TUB!!!

Disclaimer: This is marriage builders and I'm not inviting wanderers!


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Drita, no man?? What happened to the guy that all the sudden is ready to pick up the pace??

So, we're headed to Fishracers eh? What can I bring Fish??

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So, we're headed to Fishracers eh? What can I bring Fish??

Karona: You are forever teasing me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Marg-mix, chips/salsa, suntan lotion, Patron (nope - I'll handle the Patron)

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I have the lotion!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />


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***delurking and slinking in***

FR, methinks you are in my neck of the woods!

Can I come too? I make a mean Flan <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Patron is my FAV! Sooooo smooth........;)


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Drita, -3?? *gasp* that is just beyond my comprehension!

****slinking back out****

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So nice of you to join us, DW! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Back to our regularly scheduled programming <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ....

more on Boundaries....

a little more on ruining friendships:
- Explore your lonliness to see of it is a normal need for connectedness, or a sign of an injury that needs to be healed.
- Don't be afraid of dependent feelings. Use them to seek out good people - either for dating healthy people, or to fill relational needs from nonromantic relationships

Ch. 9 - Beware when Opposites Attract

- Opposite-driven relationships often confuse dependency with true love. They rely on the functions that each person supplies to the relationship, and never develop the true loving feelings.
- Reasons why opposites attract:
* Instead of developing or repairing something in our own character, its easier to "piggy-back" on someone else's. Thinking/feeling, introvert/extrovert, critical/accepting, etc. This is a negative thing, because we are avioding growth ourselves, and end up pushing each other farther in opposite directions.
* We're drawn to someone with different characteristics so we can be complete. This can be a positive thing, because we naturally recognize what we are missing. But, we should strive to develop in ourselves, and our date should not be a counselor, mentor or teacher.

- Consequences: resentment, loss of freedom, confusion of responsibilities, parent-child struggles. One person becomes dependent on the other for certain functions. This is OK, as long as each person is still responsible for their own lives, and is still growing and maturing.

- Successful couples share values such as love, responsibility, forgiveness, honesty and spirituality. Immature, struggling couples look for someone who possesses nurturance, structure, competence, or personality that they don't have.

- Be in the growth process, and look for someone in the growth process. NOrmalize and identify each of YOUR character deficits, such as; detachment, irresponsibility, perfectionism, authority conflicts, etc. You both should be able to talk about these types of things.

- Attraction to uniqueness is OK. Don't look for someone with your deficits.



Ch.10 - Adapt Now, Pay Later

- Be yourself. Be honest, about your likes and dislikes. Tell the truth about where you want to go or not... what you want to do or not.

- Don't be afraid to share your desires and wants for fear of conflict. Find out early if you are with someone who can share equally.

- Get feedback from honest friends to tell you if you are really being yourself and seeing the relationship realistically.

- Be careful with each decision. You are making an impression of what you like in life - the other person just might believe you! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



Ch. 11 - Too Much, Too Fast

- We only know each other to the extent that we have experience with each other. Experience takes time.

- Examples of time-consuming dating activities on the road to becoming committed to someone:

* Having enugh talks to safely open up with each other
* Entering each other's worlds of work, hobbies, worship and service
* Meeting and spending time with each others' friends
* Understanding each other's strengths and weaknesses
* Going over basic values of what is important in life
* Getting to know each others' families
* Spending time away from each other to think through the relationship, alone and with friends
* Learning the best style of disagreement and conflict management

- A time-line of a 1-3 years is reasonable. At least a year - to go through the seasons (holidays, vacations, school terms, etc).

- Taking time helps you clarify between need and love. Need seeks closeness to fill up our deficits (lonliness, dependency, powerlessness). Love seeks closeness for its own sake, knowing that the other person benefits from the relationship.

- "Love is patient" (1 Corinthians 13:4)

- Ways to determine if you are going too fast:

* You "know" each other emotionally more than you "know" each other objectively
* You find yourself more invested in the relationshipthan in areas of your life that are important to you
* You abruptly stop dating others
* Your friends tell you

- Reasons we don't wait: Lonliness, used to being "married", difficulty maintaining friendships, perfectionism.

- How to slow the pace:
* Get a life (friends, work, hobbies, church, service, etc)
* Deliberately slow the pace in your current R to find out what is underneath the speedy commitment
* Figure out if it's your date, or you, or both applying the pressure
* Ask friends for feedback
* Deal with conflicts, differences and preferences instead of glossing them over.
* Avoid too-quick involvement by getting involved with each other's real lives, such as friendships.



Ch. 12 - Don't get Kidnapped

- Stay involved with your friends and family, and be open and honest with them about your dating. Be open to their feedback, and lean on them for support.
- Stay involved in your individual activities, and make some alone time.
- Keep dating others until you are sure you want to commit to this one person.



Ch. 13 - Kiss False Hope Good-Bye

- Good hope is rooted in reality.
- Sometimes we hold onto incompatible wishes. When there is a real problem, ask yourself "what reason has he/she given me to hope that things are going to be different?" Look for evidence: ownership, a growth plan, repentance.
- Change your dysfunction in the relationship.
- Don't wish and nag. Follow a healthy plan for asking for change.

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Faith, excellent excellent excellent! This is EXACTLY the kind of stuff I need right now. I so enjoyed reading your last post. I ordered my books, this one too, and hopefully they'll be here next couple of days.

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Ooooh, Faith!
Man, you are a reading fool!
Good stuff though!
I had a VERY busy weekend with my family Christmas, so once again, no reading!
Love the part about the feedback from honest friends. I request it. I ask my friends to hold me accountable. I don't always like what I hear, but they have open forum for me! They are so good to me!
I love the idea about being objective. I know in the past, and I seem many friends doing it, that I just fall right into something and then the objectivity comes later-- too late!!! It has REALLY helped me to have my own things to do and people to do it with. I've done it intentionally so I don't get caught up in that. Joined a bowling league, a band, etc. Those are MY things that I am commited to so I don't get all involved too quick with someone again!

karona... Mr. MM (mixed messages) did it again! First off, he will have his kids over Christmas, so I won't be in the picture. All weekend he would "LOVE to see me", but did not make any effort to do so. In fact, some things happened that has me on the verge of not trusting him...not that he has been dishonest, but that he has omitted. And that is NOT a good thing for me. Also, the 'ol follow through that we have talked about kicked in. He wanted to see me Friday, wanted to see me Saturday, then when I was available he was doing other things... So, I'm going to tell him today I'm out... Of course this morning he is text messaging me again.
I've come to realize that he's not meeting some needs of mine that I've told him about. It's too new and too soon for it to be this way, so it tells me it just isn't right.
Plus, with all I've got going on (see previous posts), I think I have enough to do and deal with that I don't need this "stress" and unknown anxiety to add to it all.
So, I'm just going to tell him this isn't what I want and wish him well, that it's time for me to move on.
ESPECIALLY after his big revelation on Friday, that he wants me!!! The actions don't jive.

I should get some reading in this week... and I'll post more!

Faith, thanks for faithfully reading and posting! I appreciate it!

So, what have we decided about Christmas? Where am I going?!

I think we could all just go to Mexico... Tequilla is cheap there!


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Goodnes, what's up with him??

I think you may be wise to move along before feelings are vested in him. I wouldn't like this wishy/washy stuff. You're either liking me, or your not.

I haven't read any lately either. Glad were not waiting on each other.

So Mexico? Never been, could be interesting!

Karona!


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OMG!!!
Mexico ROCKS!!!

I know, and this will get me stoned on this site, but I just don't feel he's "that into me".

I've decided I'm not going to totally break it off. I'm just going to tell him how I'm feeling and see what happens. He's been quite receptive before. He inivited me to his Christmas...ooops, PC= Holiday party this morning. It's just all so strange... I don't get it. I think I just need to tell him how I'm feeling and see where it lands. He does have SO many good qualities and I don't like to have the "what if" looming over me...
I hi-jacked again...

Any, back to Mexico... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Just kidding, another hijack!

I'll start a Mexico thread!


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Most recent book report:
Merely on Chapter two of my Seven Levels of Intimacy book...

I don't have it in front of me (cuz I'm SUPPOSED to be working!), but here is what I took from it:
You must be true to yourself. Humans must always be constantly trying to be the best they can be-the essential self. If you can be your essential self, which is a terminal work in progress and not do things to go against yourself (because you will ALWAYS come back to your true self inevitably-even if it's in 10 years) you will "flee" eventually to get back to that.
The example- a woman of God believes that is her true self, but does things in a R to go against what she believes (we need to get LL to read this!), but she always comes back, and most of the time, the SO is left behind, because they are a witness to the offense, and it would take much humilty to keep them around.
The key is to find someone (after you know and are true to your true self) that is constantly yearning to be the best that they can be. Then you work on assisting, or helping that person be the best that they can be. Of course if you love that person you would never do anything to harm them, which is why it would be safe to assist them and them you.
But the key is, formost, "to thine self be true". If you are not, it will haunt you.
And if you can easily sway someone into doing something, then you have to be careful, because either they don't know themselves or they aren't being true to themselves and thats always trouble...
Hope this all make sense! More later when I have the book in front of me to quote from!


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That is so good Drita. I read it the other day. SOmetimes I have to ponder before I can respond. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Knowing yourself is key to being yourself... true!!! Sometimes... we find out more about ourselves through our relationships (different kinds), and in dating, so it IS important to not let ourselves be persuaded to do things that go against what we know to be our true selves... but... to be forgiving of ourselves when we DO... because we ARE exploring and learning.

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Ok, just got my Boundaries in Dating, and Mars/Venus starting over........gonna read Mars/Venus first........


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I read more today, and the more I read, the more I want to keep seeing MM. I just wrote him a letter because I was at the doctor's office waiting again, and got to read another chapter. It started off talking about a big tree, the roots going down into the ground because it's been nurtured and cared for all the while. There is always going to be storms, and you know it, so the time to get the root system down is BEFORE the storm, so you can weather it.
The branches will still sway, and there might be some damage, but not likely that it will uproot.
It talks about how we should ALWAYS be doing what we can for everyone, not just our SO to build them into their essential purpose-the best they can be...
So, I dig that stuff!
Anyway, it also talks a little about the concept close to Harleys-when is giving too much? When both are giving it's great, but when do you stop giving? He answers that only when it is a detriment to yourself should you stop giving.


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My Dr. Phil Love Smart book came in the mail today. I will probably skim over it but won't really read it until life settles a little here.


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I know, I bought that one and I want to finish my 7 levels book- I'm REALLY getting a lot out of it. I'm going to "make" mm read it. I think he'll get a lot out of it too...
But today is my last day at work, so I'll have more reading time!


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