OK. I just got to get this off my chest. It makes me sick!

I just spoke with OW's exH. For anyone who remembers my story, my WH is a now a bigamist (he "married" OW). I was trying to find out if OW was also still married. She's not.

Anyway...OW's exH says he left her because he found her in bed with another man! This other man worked for the same company as my WH and
OW had! Her second affair with a man at her workplace (that we know of)!

OW's exH also tells me that the miscarriages that she claimed she had were, in fact, abortions! She aborted the child she carried by the exH (then-live-in boyfriend) behind his back. And she aborted the child of her ex-boyfriend before her exH. My WH told me she just couldn't abort his child. (Yes, there is an OC in my case.) Apparently, OW has never heard of birth control. I guess, abortion is her birth control.

Then, OW's exH told me that OW sold their joint property earlier this year after forging his name. Yes, my signature has also been forged on some legal paperwork. Imagine that! WH and OW are out of their minds!

Also, OW's exH tells me that OW had been married before to someone else. I'm guessing more adultery. What do you think? She just turned 36 today, and is now on her third "marriage."

OW's exH tells me OW is just a gold digger. He says he always knew she was capable of lying and cheating. (Wonder why he married her?) He agrees that OW probably got pregnant to trap my WH.

OW's exH says OW has a lot of baggage. She never knew her father. My WH hates his father; he left his family when WH was a kid. Both WH and OW have such issues. Both OW's exH and I came from families in which our parents were married 30+ years. (His are still married. My mother died.)

Well, I don't think the "marriage" between WH and OW will last. They say 5%-15% of affair relationships last. I'd give this one about 1% with her history! Boy, do I feel bad for the poor OC.

And I don't think WH has any idea of the kind of person OW really is. She lies, lies, lies. But then, so does WH. They really deserve each other.

OK. I'm done ranting for now, I think.

Wow, have you looked into pressing charges in reference to the forging? Has her Ex? That is just crazy.

Are you in Plan A or B?

I'm in Plan D. I'm working on divorce papers. I really did fight the good fight. I did plan a and b. But now, it's time for me to move on.

Yes, OW's exH wants to pursue some legal action. I've got to figure out how I will be helped or hurt if WH is charged.

Wow...is your WH married to my xwh's ow/w? She sounds like OW's sis to me!~ incidentally she does have a sis.

And yea, my xh's ow/w used no birth control either. Her birth control is the control she used over men. To get them to do something...ie marry her sorry [censored].

Get some legal advice over the issues here..forgeries. And good luck. Am praying for ya!

And yes, an oc in my sitch too. I feel so sorry for that poor little one. I feel not anything but love and sadness for that child. She did not deserve to have such wild and immoral parents.

TryingHere,

I know what type of person you are dealing with here. I have a relative that married a woman like this. She was still married when they started dating (Her H was in the military so not home at the time). She lied & said she was divorced with her 2 children. Then, my relative found out that she was really married & had lied about it. Our family told him to walk away, but he was already in love with her kids & so he moved ahead. They married secretly (or rather most of the family didn't know) & had a wedding a few months later for everyone where they announced her pregnancy (rush, rush, rush). At first, you could sense something more was wrong with her, but couldn't put your finger on it. Then, her lies got bigger & further out there. She forged signatures of a couple of family members trying to get loans for stuff, and ended up with a felony on her record for getting credit on one family member's name. She also staged a robbery at her own house to try to collect insurance money & I believe robbed a relative's house as well (although no one put it together because it happened before the other incidents). Of course, she has had more affairs then probably anyone can count & my relative stays with her for the kids at this point because she is so vindictive & unpredictable (and he worries how she will use the kids to seek revenge on him). We believe she is narcissistic & would do anything to "win" or be in control whatever that means. I warned this relative that she is a lifetime movie waiting to happen. A few years back, he did file legal separation papers & she manipulated him not the divorce - but they live completely separate lives at this point.

My recommendation in your situation is definitely do what is right (legally & morally), but watch yourself with this type of person. You need to document any & all negative behavior & keep this documentation where they can't gain access (work, etc.) I hope you can find some peace, but I know it will be a difficult road. Your WH is on the losing end of this deal. It's unfortunate when people cannot see what they are losing & what they are NOT gaining - it's all a LOSS.

justpeachy –

Thanks for the reply and support.

Yes, sadly, I think OC is going to have some real issues, too. By the way, just recently WH had told me that he didn't even love OC. I told my sister that I just couldn't see how this was possible. She said sometimes men don't have a strong attachment to babies, especially at first when they don't do too much. She says she knows this from her own experience with her husband. I don't know. Then again, the OC will always represent the end of our marriage. WH confirmed affair and then told me about the pregnancy all at once. Lucky me. And truly, from conversations and text mesages, I know at least a small part of WH is sad that our marriage is ending. So who knows?

It's called JUSTICE at its finest!

Want2BStrong,

Thank you also.

Yes, I don't know what's up with these people. They're incredible. I just don't get it.

As far as documenting all and any negative behavior, it's getting hard to keep up with WH and OW. The things the two of them have done!

In the end, WH's and OW's lying and cheating ways will turn on themselves, though. As Dr. Phil says, if they will do it with you, they will do it to you. And WH and OW already have shown that they will lie to each other. I'm sure the cheating on each other is not far behind.

It has been a long, difficult road already. But it's nearing the end, as I'm working on the D paperwork. (Well, maybe not nearing the end, as my lawyer says settlement can take up to a year and WH is being rather uncooperative in this area.) <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Yep, justice.

Being a realtor I know during a closing you must how a pictue I.D.. This would mean to me that they did not do their job at the Title Co. The buyers did not get a clear title. Sp the title insurance should pay.

Realtor,

So the title insurance should cover OW's exH?

How about in my case? WH forged my name when he refinanced our house. I don't know how that was accepted. Any layperson could tell that wasn't my signature. Would the mortgage go back to the old one? Would a new refinance have to be set up? Or could I agree to the terms of the refinancing with my forged signature if the terms are better than what I would get now? WH has been paying for mortgage on our house.

Things are a mess. WH and OW bought a house together, too. She used his last name as hers on the title before the "bigamy wedding." Is that document legal? That's not her name – now or then, (By the way, my lawyer says I could possbile have a claim to that $400,000+ house since I could show that marital money was used to buy it. But now I'm also thinking that money from the property that OW sold may have been used, so OW's exH may also have some sort of claim. What a tangled web they weave!)

Also, if anyone else can answer, does anyone know about bankruptcy law? WH has been saying he's broke. (Yeah, a $400,000 house, a new $60,000+ vehicle for OW, plus another $8,000 vehicle, plus a remaining mortgage on a $300,000 house will do that to you.) WH threatens to file bankruptcy. He says he will get to keep his new house, and I will lose our house because it's a second home. Well, it's only a second home because he refinanaced it as such without me knowing. I want to know if he could lose that new $400,000 house, instead, and the $60,000 vehicle.

Ok. Just found out something interesting...

I just talked to WH's mother. I hadn't spoken to her in a long time. We had a bit of a falling out, but that's all in the past now. She had been one of my biggest supporters in this whole ordeal with WH. She divorced WH's father a long time ago. She understands how rough it can be.

Anyway, I told my mother-in-law that I was preparing D papers. I said something about WH's bigamy wedding to OW in Vegas. Guess what? WH had not even told his own mother about the wedding! WTF??? The marriage was Oct. 26 or so. But it was all news to her. Does anyone get this?

Forging your name is a felony. Once the people who made the mortgage learn this they'll prosecute. When I made mortgage loans, it happened once and both did jail time. (Girlfriend signed as wife.) Forgery is not looked on kindly by lenders. If the word gets out that they're not diligent in their lending, it attracts all kinds of scams. They also get in big trouble with state and federal auditors.

His biggest concern won't be bankruptcy but finding an attorney to represent him/offer a settlement. You need to find an attorney asap to protect your interests.

You've got so much to hold over his head that once an attorney sets him straight, he'll be begging you to help him out of this mess. And I dare say ow will run for the hills.

The title insurance covers the people who purchase property to reimburse them if the title is not clear (problems with true ownership.) It doesn't provide funds for you and owxh if forgery occurs.

You would have an interest in their new home. What in the world are these two thinking??? Not much obviously.

The person who made this loan to him is in much trouble too. They could be charged with an accessory to a felony if a reasonable person would know that the signature was forged. A Trust Deed has to be notarized therefore you would have to appear before that notary and prove who you are in order for that deed to be valid. That mortgage company may have just lost the collateral they required for that mortgage.

Bigamy is not usually a big issue for prosecutors but couple that with forgery, he's in more trouble than he can imagine...

Hi, jph!

Yes, crazy, isn't it? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

I do have an attorney. She's been practicing for some time, and she says this is one of the most extreme cases she's ever seen. My father is deathly ill, and I just hate dealing with all this now. My attorney says she thinks I'll be OK if I wait until the holidays are over.

My attorney actually thinks if he is able to file bankruptcy (which may be pretty hard for him to do with his salary), that it may actually help me. He wouldn't have some debts and would be better able to pay me alimony.

My attorney thinks I could use any claim I might have on the new home as leverage.

Geez, I sure wish WH hadn't dug himself in so deep. I wish this could be a nice, easy break, but he's messed things up so horribly.

When it comes down to it, I don't think (from an emotional and a financial standpoint) that I really want WH in prison (although, don't get me wrong – I do have my moments when I think otherwise). OW, on the other hand, is another case; she can rot in prison for all I care. She's just bad news, as her exH says. Maybe exH will get her sent to prison for forgery.

If only. I don't know why WH just won't cooperate with me. He says attorney doesn't need to see his paystub to write out an agreement. Yeah, we're not buying that line from a repeated liar. I think he's in denial about just how much trouble he truly is in.

I told WH a little while back that I was going to stop protecting him from the bad decisions that he's made. But, ooohhhh (I hate it) there is that little bit in me that wants to protect him still. I'm insane. Or ... maybe I'm just a caring person still. (Stupid heart needs to listen to my head.) It's just so tough when H (not WH) makes a brief, rare appearance and has an open, heart-felt communication with me.

Wish this was just all over.

I agree, you shouldn't send WH to jail for the forgery but it can be used as leverage in negotiations. His atty will know how serious this is and encourage him to settle at any cost. That jolt of reality may bring him out of the fog better than anything.

You do need to stop protecting him from his bad decisions. He'll never learn to think if you don't. He's got to suffer to learn those lessons about honesty and accountability. It sounds as if maybe his parent rescued him and he's accustomed to having someone make right his wrongs. It's sad to see an adult learn a lesson that they should have learned when they were very young.