EM...

Fluke invited me many times and I always had an excuse. Deep down I figured no one here would want to talk to a FWW. Little did I know how much I could learn.

Now he can't get me off the computer! It's cathartic (as you must know by now). I think it would be great to have Mrs. EM here with us! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Fluke and Flukette

Is it snowing yet in Western Michigan???

We are going to see the "ya' know you're a red neck" guy comedy performance tomorrow night at the Fox Theatre in Detroit.

Hope the baby is sleeping and you guys are getting some quality time together.

lol -- lots of love

Mr. Wondering

P.S. - (((((Earthman)))))

I do not understand the hostility??? I've given you more hugs and thus support than anyone here. Am I missing something???? Is there more that you wanted????

No worries

p.s.s. - by the way Mrs. Wondering...so you can have some understanding of Earthman's situation and instead of walking from the atrium and through the guesthouse to tell you...I think Earthman did indicate awhile back that his wife is Bi-Polar. All sarcasm aside, he is to choosing to remain in a difficult situation. Regardless of the outcome of this thread, Mr. and Mrs. Earthman are probably going to need help here or somewhere again. Earthman...when you seriously want to reach out for advice, MB will still be here for you. This thread, however, is just for fun now as there is nothing left to discuss but the weather in Michigan and Flukes baby. That about covers it.

The baby is asleep and we are having a wonderful time. Starting to snow - it's coming your way.

Wish we could be at the theater tomorrow with you guys. That would be a fun show to see. We'll hook up with you guys soon though.

Isn't life grand!

Maybe we could all roadtrip to Chicago and help out Heidi...Watch Out, Here come the Affair Busters!!!

You guys can keep the snow!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W

On a serious note...EarthMan, does your W indeed have Bipolar Disorder, because if so, then you are dealing with a whole 'nother ball of wax...I could honestly share some serious dialogue about that with you...My father is Bipolar...man oh man, that is a tough row to hoe, indeed! You have my attention and my empathy...all kidding aside, if that's the case, talk to me EM...

Mrs. W

Stop by our place tomorrow AM. We can drive everyone from here to Chi. I'll have the ABU truck gassed up and ready. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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We have room for you SOT.

We're probably within spittin distance of each other. I'll go to the window and wave. Tell me if you see me.

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SOT...skier, snowboarder or snowmobiler?

Mrs. W, the VERY southern Hotlanta Gal transplanted to the 'burbs of DETROIT ROCK CITY!!!

Since our chuch was in Z-town and we live a bit north of there I can tell you I'm familiar with the Dutch language. You're on the way to Chicago so we'll pick you up in the morning on the way by. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Horrible winter for the snomobiling. You must be travelling north for that?

I recently played a show at Dimnent down there. We still get into your town fairly often.

SOT...

Mr. W snowboards a bit...and his sister's family lives in Leland, and we are suppose to go up this winter and snowmobile...I've never done that...should be fun!!!

Mr. W grew up in a burb of Detroit...myself in a burb of Atlanta...he went to law school down in GA, that's how we met...then he "imported" me- <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
We will be moving back down South this Spring or Summer...

I like the Fischer too...tomorrow we'll be at The Fox for Jeff Foxworthy...should be fun...

Mrs. W

***Edited Out Exact Geographical Locations for fear of falling prey to one of EM's legendary firearms... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

you're asking me this NOW??? Have you been reading anything..

She has clinical DEPRESSION.. has suffered two MAJOR breakdowns.. and will be on ADs for life....

DEPRESSION.. clinical and major depression...

Yes, EM, I am asking you this now...if you recall, I just posted to you for the first time last week...which is when I came back to posting on MB...I wasn't posting from mid Oct.-Dec.-extremely busy holidays, etc...You didn't start posting here until Nov., so that's the crux of that...

There is an old post of yours, where you refer to your wife being "manic depressive" which is another term for Bipolar Disorder...so, is your wife's major/clinical depression a cycle of bipolar, or is she unipolar? Is she currently medicated, and if so, what is she taking, and for how long?

Mrs. W

actually I have.. at least twice..

OK guys. I going to give you all some details that may shock you, but this is it.. real life.. you will now see why my siutation is MUCH more involved than a bored spouse looking to have some fun... not even close... I don't think I provided this much detail when I first joined.. so here it goes...

CORRECTION.. I never meant manic depression, which is bipolar, uninpolar, etc. It's clinical and major Depression... the bid D...

Wife suffered from first bout of depression (at least since I've known her) in 1999, no hospital, but needed to get a live in to help with kids... Effexor was administered and she took for at least 1 year, then stopped.. Problems started again, if I trace back, to summer 2004, 5 years later... only the 2nd time, we had a PA/ONS with an ex-crush (not even real ex-boyfriend), and logistics on how that one happened are wild, shoplifting, bulimia, stealing and all kinds of FUN stuff.. funny how as a BS, I could have pity for all others except the ONS/PA...

W confessed to PA/ONS and immediately after, like that hour, broke into a VERY scary episode of paranoia, which involved babbling about good vs. evil, Sun Worshipers, Swingers, sex and religion.. and angels... fun stuff...clearly, her guilty conscious had done her in... she ket saying "they know, they know"... like people in town knew what she had done.. all that over a ONS.. imagine...I guess she really is a GOOD person deep down, which is why I'm still here defending her to you guys. she is good and I love her but I wrestle with whether this is her heart or her mental illness... that caused her behaviour... YOU DECIDE...

So we went to Hospital and she was released in a few hours since she was neither suicidal or homicidal...

then...

1.5 months later.. she had started Effexor again and stopped on her own (BAD MOVE FOLKS!!) and after I was starting to feel ANGER/RAGE over the ONS news, I starting putting the pressure on, pre-MB aware of course.. and I think she lost it... I came home one night and she was yelling about how she was sexually abused by her father (we still don't know).. or someone else..the kids were crying and she collapsed on the floor. I called an ambulance and they came and took her to the H.... Aunt came to watch kids and I followed ambulance to H, where they had her in for observation.. she accused ME of touching one of the kids (NOT IN THIS LIFETIME) and all this other crazy stuff.. about her family.. everyone else was evil and had done all these bad things... REAL SCARY stuff. I actually felt sick to my stomach after she hit me with that one... it was all about sex and religion and "we're all connected"... and I felt like my life my life as I had known it was over.... truly over... and that she might never COME BACK.. so after a few hours.. they shipped her to you kow where.. where she spent 4 days under observation, reading the bible, mandatory sessions, etc.. a very nice place (we live in affluent area, top in the country) and this facility was christian funded, so religious tone felt "safe" since we're both Catholic... she came home a week later and got back into the grind slowly but surely and we started MC, I started IC and she continued IC.... all was good for like 2 months but then the email incident occured... and as I mentiond, she had sent this jerk off a photo of herself back when she was not right and I suspect she didn't know how to get out of that fact now..
But I still wrestle with her not knowing that his asking for photos was wrong.. she may be that naive.. I just don't know... but she is truly demonstating meeting my ENs.. saying and doing things for us , for the family. and is on this kick of wanting to "protect" us.... well.. words are great, but my TRUST is on 0% and I'm seeing where this goes.. mental illness or not.. I understand in sickness and in health and I would stay through anything, and I mean anything, but a sickness that impaires her judgement and causes her to be vulnerable to MEN coming on to her.. Could she really not know that his asking for photos was wrong.. and all the while I was telling her that I didn't like it, didn't trust him and that she should not be carrying on in an email..

Anyway.. now you guys know the context of where I'm coming from and I hope you can appreciate the fact that my W's behaviour is a tad different than say a bored SAHM or a horny W not getting enough... BTW, sex with us, even during the worst of times, was ALWAYS.. and I mean ALWAYS great.. W always stated that fact, even during the worst of it.. funny like good sex would mean anything... I guess it helps my pride/ego knowing that nothing she did she did for sex... sorry ladies.. but I'm not perfect...

And I'm sorry for any snide comments earlier.. you guys were pushing a little too hard with the exposure thing an quite frankly.. I can't afford to have wifey go back into a nuthouse right now... Bigger financial fish to fry coming up...

She takes Cymbalta... 20mg.. 2x day.. and a sleeping pill as needed..


EM

EM...

Sounds like you have, as have I, had your fair share of the mental health system and all the rest of the angst that goes with living and dealing with the mentally ill...I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy...I know you know what I mean...

I'm sure you've gone through all kinds of different doctors opinions, etc...But I am curious if any of them has ever considered the diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder...based on your brief(I know to tell it all would be IMPOSSIBLE) description of her symptoms, I must tell you that she certainly has exhibited symptoms of the Bipolar side of things...not just unipolar(unipolar refers to those folks with only major depression, no mania, btw) One of the ways that the medical professionals have been able to differentiate between Bipolar Disorder and Major Depressive Disorder is by patient's responses to Lithium salts...Has your wife ever taken Lithium? If so, results?

Have her doctors ever prescribed a mood stabilizer along with her AD's? Has she ever exhibited any symptoms while on meds?

Did you know that promiscuity is a symptom of Bipolar Disorder? Also, though it is not mentioned very often, extreme religious thoughts/behaviors often accompany this disorder. I know you guys are Catholic...my family is Baptist...when my father was in a cycle, it just got much more intense...hard to describe, but from your descriptions of your W, it sounds like you know what I mean...

I would be interested to "hear" more of your experiences within the mental health arena, if you would like to share...I know that it's hard to describe it to those who haven't lived it...before I chose my IC, I made sure that she had had PERSONAL experience with Bipolar Disorder...I didn't want to have to over explain every single caveat, ya know? It made a world of difference for me...

Best,

Mrs. W