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Boy La!! Your a tough one... But I am too..LOL

The exposure to the OW is a question I should pose to you dear... WHat am I to do? I sincerely wish to know... Am I to call her and say that my W and her H have been doing something but I have no proof and I really don't know for sure but it is the only thing that makes sense to me because my ego needs it to be thecase so that I can feel better about myself cause she is cheating on me and that would make her less of her perfect self? Whew what a mouth]full...

I wrote that not thinking you would not find it. I just wanted it to be in a different forum to get that specific attention. We discussed the same thing here i think.
If not then we can. I would love to call her on the floor for it to get closure, but I don't want to LB and I am having trouble figuring out how to do it. Help me sugar!!


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PROOF of the affair has been found TODAY!!


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Big hug and congrats, AH...

Expose to those who don't know...not those who do. Your W knows. OM knows.

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Loving...I missed you and Am hurting... What do I do... What will it accomplish?


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What will it accomplish?

Are you saying you're still coming from perspective of what good will it do me? Manipulation? Or truth?

You stored away a belief AH...called it hidden hope, that she wasn't in a full blown A...and she was--now there is another BS out there who is in the dark, and truth matters.

Reality matters.

This truth isn't just yours...is it?

No malice, intent to get something...just truth. Exposure now says, "This is real and it is why my DS has me half the time..."

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What will it accomplish?

It will pull the affair into broad daylight. Affairs, by their nature, thrive on secrecy. Exposure is a scary thing. We BS's fear a negative backlash from the WS. It's a natural fear, but it is not backed up by historical data.

The following is my opinion, based on what I've read in the forums. I cannot back it up very well with personal experience, because exposure ran a different course with me and MP, which I will elaborate on shortly.

From what I've read on this forum, in every recovered marriage where there was exposure, the FWS tends to be grateful that exposure happened. In the midst of their affair, the WS is simply incapable of thinking straight, even though they may believe they are.

An active WS will most likely be angry, bitter, and resentful. Yes, it can possibly drive them further into the arms of the OP. But you know what? The BS has, for all intents and purposes, already lost the WS. So really, what do you have to lose? A WS? Honestly that's not much to lose.

What do you stand to gain? The end of the affair. A chance to recover your marriage. The return of your S - the person you married.

Exposure is not guaranteed to end an affair. It's not guaranteed to recover the marriage. It does, however, give you a fighting chance, and it does enable you to rally people to help you in your fight.

Note that I didn't say that it will necessarily rally people to hold you up as some sort of Pauline figure. It will, however, show people that you are actively trying to save your marriage.

Exposure should be done in a loving way. Something like "I want you to know that my wife is having an affair with OM. I love my wife, and I am taking responsibility for my actions that lead to the current state of our M, and I would like your support in recovering our marriage." Not "That sleazy spouse of mine is having an affair with some lowlife and I want you to know so you can tell them how wrong and disgusting they are!"

See the difference?

Target people who can positively influence your wife, as well as people that can positively influence you. The people in your support group (and your wife's) should be pro-marriage, not necessarily pro-AH or pro-AH's wife. Look up the recent threads on exposure to see some views (both pro and negative). As people here are fond of saying, "Your marriage can survive anger. It can't survive an affair."

In my situation, MP exposed to her mother and some friends herself. I exposed to some friends and our pastor. I also exposed to her dad, though I had no intention to. He knew we were having a tough time, and I was talking with him about an offer he had made to both of us some time back if we were ever in trouble, and he asked me point blank if there was unfaithfulness involved in our situation. I wasn't going to lie to my FIL, and he already suspected. In fact, he knew the answer as soon as he asked the question, simply because it took me a couple of seconds to respond. (Much the same way I knew the answer before MP ever acknowledged it, simply by the look on her face).

It did take me several weeks to screw up the courage to tell MP. She did not get angry (or at least not visibly angry). I could tell she was unhappy about him knowing. I did tell her that he already suspected, and that he loved her very much and was praying for us. No condemnation. Just love.

Finally, sorry for not keeping up on your thread. I recently changed my e-mail address, and my new post notifications aren't coming through anymore. I wasn't intentionally ignoring you.

Keep doing what you're doing, and stay strong. I'm 6 monts post D-Day now, and while we have a long way to go, I'm in a much better place than I was. It does get better, regardless of the ultimate outcome. I know everyone says that, and in the early days it's hard to believe. But it's true.

I now return you to LA's wonderfully insightful and informative posts <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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WW (Magpie) - 31
Married 2001 (Together 8 years)
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DD - 5
EA/PA - 9/05-12/05
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Second separation. Working on me.

If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given to you.
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Hey, Bird! How are you? Haven't seen you around...thank you for the update.

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Hey, Bird! How are you? Haven't seen you around

Been busy. Most of my recent postings have been on Mortarman's thread (started by Lemonman).

Things are going well, I think. Far from perfect, but better. I'll update more on my other thread (the no contact thread).

How was your vacation?


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DD - 5
EA/PA - 9/05-12/05
D-Day - 11/05

Second separation. Working on me.

If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given to you.
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AH,

I just wanted to Ditto what BB stated. Exposure will give you a fighting chance to save the M. Don't be afraid to do this. It is often a fatal blow to the A.

BTW: I'm glad you and LA are amused by my "call letters". I enjoy the irony of them myself.

BB: Have you got any peafowl?

Stay Strong, AH! I'll post more later when I have some time.


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Joy to my heart to see you, wtf...I'm easily amused. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As for my vacation...

It rocked. Snowmobiled for the first time in my life...and went up to 9000ft on a heart-stunning sunny day. Went on the Ms Dixie II paddle boat on Lake Tahoe, dwaddled, gambled, and got a salon day with all my hairs cut...not just one.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Worst manicure and pedicure I've ever had...oh well...

Least I got 'em.

Missed everyone, though...looked at the internet in the lobby more than a few times in my comings and goings and thought...49 cents a minute...the way I post..nawww...I could afford a lot of other stuff!

LOL

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BB: Have you got any peafowl?

At the risk of sounding ignorant, what is/are peafowl? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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BH (Me) - 38
WW (Magpie) - 31
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DS - 13
DD - 5
EA/PA - 9/05-12/05
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Second separation. Working on me.

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Sorry for the temporary thread jack AH! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Peacocks and Peahens. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Native to India / South Asia. Large colorful fans on the 'cocks'.

We now return to our normal thread. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Oh, where is AH? WTF has brought enough fodder to pun for several minutes straight.

Oh...I'm holding back! I am!

Where is AH?

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AH,

I just wanted to let you know that i've been reading your thread since you started posting here.

You've been receiveing so much good advise from LA and others I just didn't chime in.

I was bit worried for you didn't post for awhile. That's when I finally decided to chime in and say hello.

Well now that I'm finally taking I suppose I'll be posting here more oftern.

Hang in the AH, I'm looking forward to hereing back from you.

BTW: LA Don't hold back! I love what you write! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Please understand that the question of what will it accomplish was more of a retoracle question...
Sarcasm that you are not used to from me I suppose.

First let me update. I have been talking to friends and colleagues that may have been involved and or adversly effected first. The first one I called needed the exposure more than anyone because it saved his job by confronting the OM. I was not expecting him to do that but....

I am getting alot of confirmation and sympathy for the fact that they all know that I loved her and still do althought they cannot figure out WHY. I have been told to just walk away from this woman because of the things she had said and done to me. I have been enlightened on a numerous facts.

This affair HAS been going on for all those months that she was away from our son at night. She even made effort to be with him on his birthday night. And Vday. I am so destroyed still...

(just a little venting sorry)

For the most part in this I AM hopeful of getting the woman I love back... Not this woman but the one I LOVE.

I am sure she is feeling the guilt and shame and next exposure is to her parents. That in itself is the hardest.... For me it is because her father is weak already and may not react well to the news. I know that he loves her unconditionally. However he may not treat her unconditionally... Make sense?? Not that I care how he treats her cause it isn't about me it is about her consequences of her actions.

See I have listened. And yes I realize that the affair being out there will start to open the fog and possibly alow her friends to break through and show her the love I HAVE FOR HER. They all know how much I love her... It is comforting to hear that they do know.

It is comforting to come back to my thread and see the activity even though I have been spending time with my son...

We went camping and had a blast!

WS called me the other day and told me that she sat with him in school to help him with letters (4 yo) and he started making excuses for not wanting to do the work... She pulled him to the side and said that if he wanted to be like George W Bush he would have to learn his letters. He said "I don't want to be like him, I want to be like my Daddy!" \

HA

The exposure is in process and She is still denying and trying to cover up and I know for a fact she knows I know. Why is she still not telling me when she KNOWS I know???

I love each and every one of you!!!! And you are much appreciated.

LA as for the manipulation factor... You are right... but MB's entire thing is that you change yourself and make yourself a better person all around. Knowing all along that that better person is to hopefully reattract the other spouse to change and come back. No matter how we slice it EVERYTHING we do is meant to manipulate and affect others whether positively or negatively. This is true when you break it deep down...

in theory it is to just be a better person for you... but we all ahve to be honest. Didn't we all come here to find out how to get our S back or fix our marriages??

I do love yall...

WTF I welcome you again and hope you are as helpful as BB and LA...

Ducking 2x4's now!!


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"Sarcasm that you are not used to from me I suppose." Sarcasm bites others and takes a chunk out of yourself. I took your rhetorical question as a real one, from fear.

My recommendation on exposure is to do it all at once...all places same day. You're sharing truth, a bearer of reality, not a strategy in a battle plan, per se.

Stop asking yourself and others they her whys...they are hers and hers alone. Same with you choosing to love her, anyway. Your choice. Others don't need to know your whys...they are yours.

And no, I don't believe you change yourself to be more attractive, even as a better person, to get your WS back. You change for you, using the affair and all it offers in lessons for yourself...that this process does make you more attractive to everyone should never be the intent of your choice...what you choose from. Intent matters greatly.

If you continue to subscribe to your manipulation theory, you will continue to harm yourself and others.

You are a human being. Being is key. Your being...your choice to be respectful, own your stuff, believe you're separate, equal and choice to love...all yours, have not a shred of manipulation in them unless your intent is to GET love instead of being love.

I have learned on this board that what brings us here is a tool for our own growth. Not the issue to be solved, but ourselves to be redeemed. Our own redemption, from ourselves to ourselves, leaves the manipulative life behind.

Our choice.

We love you back, AH...you are important. You matter. Your thread matters. Your journey matters. Always has and always will...in your choice to continue to post, to share, you demonstrate that to yourself and others...and we appreciate you for it.

We celebrate your being...usually long before YOU do.

Stop ducking and stand up and take your smack.

Heehee.

You're better than George Bush to your son, and you went camping. You had a blast. Your choices are rewards within themselves. I think you see the glimmer of what living a thriving life really means, already.

You'll get there. Expose to her work, her family, our family, and friends. Know what YOU know and respect that she chooses to deny, lie or believe she can cover up truth. Listen and repeat. Stay respectful and separate...reminding yourself you're equal, and keep your focus on you.

You rock. You're living your beliefs. You might slip, back and forth, but you soldier on, 'k?

(((((AH)))))

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Stop asking yourself and others they her whys...they are hers and hers alone.

Not asking.. they are telling...

I am soldiering on...

I am really missing her and want her back... I want to tell her and she won't meet with me alone and won't talk to me at all except on the phone.


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Exposure to the other family is done and it was as I suspected. They had NO idea although everyone in his office knows... The OM is going to lose his daughter forever if he doesnt stop seeing my WS... We talked about that and this girl is calm and has a real good head on her shoulders and vows that her father is not going to make my WS a part of her childrens life ever. WOW...

A couple of worlds are fixing to come crumbling to the ground. His daughter told me that he moved out 3 weeks ago and claimed infidelity from their mother 30 years ago. Huh?

Fog... She begged me not to go to his boss because if I did her family would not have ANY money to continue if they did get divorced. He would lose his job and not be able to pay alimony or CS.

I am calling more now... Hard to do ya know?


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She knows, AH...she knows you are standing for your marriage, even through divorce. She knows you are committed to her. No need to tell...or to know.

Know what you know and respect she knows.

So OMW knows about the A now?

And you are going to his boss?

I'm sorry, I have a hard time following...I know you want to be discreet, but I get lost easily.

Hard? Yes. Hero hard. Superman hard. And you're doing it.

I'm excited and thrilled to see you sitting with your fear and acting in spite of it.

Kudos, hugs, happy dance. Truth will set you free...you're really getting it, AH.

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Her Mom knows now and I have been banned from their property and she is going to show them some dirty email we exchanged in fantasy land... Oh well!

I am not allowed to take Sam to them or pick him up there.
Backfire??

This is hard as ****** ya know!!

Had conversation with OM and after course words wound up being civil. But matter of fact!!

Gotta go....


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