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Mr. & Mrs. Wondering suggested I seek you out for some advice. I am feeling a bit lost and not sure which way to turn. I have confronted and exposed to IL's. WH still denys. And if I was a betting woman i'd be betting tons that my IL's know and support my H's choice to have an A.

Are you familiar with my story? I dont want to repeat myself to much if I dont need to.

Well looking forward to your advice.


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Don't worry about being redundant around here...LOL. Go ahead and re-tell your story or link it to this post, it'll make it easier for people to give you advice. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Good Luck and God Bless,

-Caren

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Mr. & Mrs. Wondering suggested I seek you out for some advice. I am feeling a bit lost and not sure which way to turn. I have confronted and exposed to IL's. WH still denys. And if I was a betting woman i'd be betting tons that my IL's know and support my H's choice to have an A.

Are you familiar with my story? I dont want to repeat myself to much if I dont need to.

Well looking forward to your advice.

If you can, give me a synopsis...or point me to your thread with your story on it. Thanks.

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Caren, stop that!! None of my hats are gonna fit if you keep this up!

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texasbeauty is 9+ mths. pregnant...Mr. W and I feel that she could really use your guidance...

Mortarman, gotta agree with Caren on the fantastic issue...you are definitely a Godsend to this place... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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The main thread I started is "Help Please Im Running out of Time"

I'll try to give you a quick summary as I know that thread is pretty long....

I suspect that not only is my H having an A but that my IL's know about it and support my H's choices. The OW now works at my H's company which he is the VP and mt FIL is the Pres. and MIL works there too. Since hiring OW this is what has become of my life:

H started rushing out of the house in the am to go to office.
H would be very short and hang up quickly when I call the office.
H started to come home later and later.
H started to want to have a night out with his friends.
H started having more and more Business Meetings - breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
H chooses to spend his only day off taking OW to shop for cars despite me asking for him to spend day with kids and I.
H explains he cannot have SF with me.
H starts wearing layers of clothes to sleep in.
H decided to start going back to the gym again, he gets to the gym 3 hours before he goes to the office. Then when he gets home at night he spends an hour or so before bed exercising.
H has started dieting.
H is very insistant about his appearance all of the time, except when he is just going to be with me and the kids then he is less concerned.
H will not allow me to ask questions regarding his whereabouts.
H will not allow me to come to his office under any circumstances.
H barely shows my affection on any level. I feel lucky if he brushes against me when we pass by each other. Occasionally I do get a hug, or a kiss on the forehead.
H one night had a meltdown which did include him asking for SF and kissing me, and saying "even if only its just this one last time".
H says I love you but I dont know that I can be with you anymore.
H and I started going to MC, and after 4th session H started seeing IC.
H says he loves me so much, tells me how much he wishes our lives were the way they were before my depression episode a year ago.
H says my depression epsiode is the same as if i had an A and that it is a crutch for the way I truley feel about him.
H is completely unresponsive to me, and to my attempts at meeting his EN and repairing our marriage from the damage I had done to it during my depression.
H blames me for everything happening right now.
H says I have been a detriment to our marriage and his happiness.
H says I am focusing on the wrong things, that he is not having an A.
H says OW is a good friend, he thinks she is a great person, he compares her to me, and says if he was single he would want to be with her, says that he is attracted to her.
H says he is going one place but then goes another.
H calls OW from cell phone all the time any chance he gets.

(I used to be able to check cell and receipts, but after I had caught him doing this stuff a few times and asked him about it, he became really irate (i had found MB a little after this) he locks his cell phone and is careful to throw away all of his receipts, and stopped using our debit card for his purchases, uses the company credit card for all of his purchases, or started taking cash out of our account.)
(Im sure im forgetting lots there)

I contacted our rabbi who said let me find you someone more neutral that can be of better help to you, she never called me back.

I have found multiple emails, briefly...

from H to OW "You made my day today, thank you so much for being who you are. I cant believe I never thought of child custody that way, I often miss the obvious <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> in so glad you are here."

from OW to H "Your welcome and thank you for making my everyday"

from OW to H "Thanks for such a great night. The more and more I am with you I am reassured about the way I feel for you! Thank you for being you."

there are several more emails from OW best friend who happens to be H's ex-girlfriend, she is a realtor...

from realtor to OW - many house listings, she forwards to my H.

from realtor to H - CMA on my house.

from Realtor to H and OW - house listings.

from Realtor to H and MIL - house listings. "Let me know if you and your mom want to go back to see these again"

from Realtor to H - (paraphrasing)"I know you are upset and confused about what is going on right now, and I know you are having some trouble at home. I am here for you if you need me ....... Here is a book I have read on divorce that you might like"

From Realtor to OW then forwarded to H "Baby, Look at this one, the first one is great." (another house listing).

Lat friday I confronted H, he denied everything, and was angry that I would even suggest such a thing and insist that I focus to much attention to being suspicious about his behavior and should focus on my self and the things that he has said are the problems (mainly me selling this house we live in and buying a small condo/TH)

On Saturday I exposed to IL's - talked to them for 3 hours almost. Offered no support, offered no compassion, no sympathy. MIL said "what if he tells me that he loves her, not saying that he did, but what if, what am I supposed to do then." FIL says "I have been keeping an eye on things, Im not blind, I have seen things, and I dont think it is going to be a happy ending" FIL says "divorce is not good for the kids, I am really worried about the kids." (I have talked to MIL about my concerns on 2 other occasions prior to the exposure, nothing was ever done as far as I know, except that MIL and FIL talked to H.

I asked MIL and FIL to do some reseearch of their own about A's and then talk to H about what I have said to them. 30 min after I left their house they called H and asked him to go to their house. H came home that night in a good mood. And said he didnt mind that I talked to them, and understood that this is what I felt I needed to do. He said he and his parents had a chuckle about my "Dr. Phil read it out of a book attitude" He said to tell him who I wanted to expose to and he would give me their phone #'s. He also said that he and his father do not want me to contact any of the employees at their company, becuase they do not want me to cause problems at the business that feeds all of our families.

My H stopped wearing his wedding ring, he says he doesnt feel like my H anymore. Doesnt feel like my friend, lover, anything. Doesnt feel like this is his house and that he doesnt like coming here at all.

I cried to my H Monday night, pouring out to him the way I feel for him, and apologizing to him for the way he feels I have been. He said nothing. I asked if he had anything to say, he said I am a wonderful person that he has always thought so. He said that he wants me to know that no matter what happens he thinks there is no reason we cannot always be friends. He said he knows that sounds like he has decided something, but in fact he hasnt decided anything. He says he is confused.

BTW - I am 9 months pregnant. H asks me if I will "get better" once the baby comes. H is very excited about the baby coming, and hopes that it will help him see me and our marriage in a good way again. H hope that the birth will help our marriage. H hopes that birth will help me to stop being such a "crazy" person and be the loving wonderful person he knows I am. H also says that if I wasnt pregnant he would have probably left already.

Ok I think thats enough for now, and Im sure there is much that I have forgotten. I can fill in any blanks later.

Desparate for any sign of hope. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Well, let me say that this is ALL typical. Your husband has done the typical thing when in an affair. so count on the fact, no matter wha the says...that they are in an affair.

It also appears that he is headed to try to be with OW fulltime.

You have exposed, so that isnt the issue anymore. Always speak to him as you know what has happened, even if he says that it hasnt.

Gonna have to begin Plan A stuff. Exposure has begun, but there are other things to do. Try to meet his ENs. Find out what his top ENs are and start trying to meet them as best that you can.

Next, dont be a mess! No constant crying or pulling on him. It isnt attractive! You need to cry, then talk with your mom or a girlfriend. You are going to need to have your stuff together when around him. Leave him everyday with only good thoughts about you!

On the hope thing, I'd like to ask a question...and then depending on how you answer it, I can help. Are you and your husband Christians? Have you been saved?

Well, as I wait for the answer to that question, please go ahead and begin asking the ones you need to. We are all here to help.

But please remember...you are not unique in this. Neither is your husband. This site is littered with the same stuff the two of yo uare going through. And many of those marriages were saved.

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TB is Jewish (you might have overlooked the "Rabbi" comment). However, she was raised Catholic and "may" consider converting back with the kids if they are eventually divorced (especially considering the support she is receiving from the Temple (whom I think she should call back).

Mrs. W and I wanted your comments b/c she was getting some advice suggesting she file for divorce first to pre-empt him. There is some concern that he is attempting to make the affair unprovable in court, make her out to be unfit (her depression last year was bad, but she has recovered fully as far as we can tell), and seek full or primary custody of the 2 kids and 1 on the way. He has even gone so far as to recommend that she not breast feed (he's done his research and knows he can't get more than a couple hours visitation for as long as she nurses - she intends fully to nurse - for a long time - maybe till the kid's a teenager <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. )

I have tried to insure her that the law will not grant him primary nor full custody even though the State's law says each parent is given equal consideration. Though the law seems clear he's got a 50-50 shot, in practice a stay at home mother is not going to be denied custody absent A TON of proof of her unsuitedness. T.B. is still nervous about this and filing first may preemptively assist her claim to full custody as her pleadings appear assertive instead of defensive.

T.B. access to funds has been hampered and private investigators in her town are expensive and not affordable.

T.B. is still somewhat new to this process and has not matured (for lack of a better term) to the point where she is ready to act. She needs some guidance and support to ACTION. We completely understand...the baby is due within the week and the pressure I'm sure is overwhelming.

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TB - Fellow Texan here. Document everything. Texas may be a no fault state, but that doesn't mean judges aren't human...and they don't fancy guys running around on their pg wives here (per my lawyer). If your depression is/was controllable by meds, have your doc write a note saying so. It looks very GOOD to the courts that you took control over your depression, and just because you were depressed doesn't make you a bad mother...they know this. The fact that you got through it is GOOD.

>the things that he has said are the problems

This was a defensive move on his part. He's trying to make you BELIEVE you are the bad one....when it's his actions he should be shedding light on. This is a classic WS move. Don't fall for it.

>H is very excited about the baby coming, and hopes that it will help him see me and our marriage in a good way again.

What a lot of pressure to put on a little baby. Seriously.

>H blames me for everything happening right now.

Sweetie this is absolutely NOT true. You didn't drive him to do anything, you didn't CAUSE this in any way. The only reason you seem to not be able to do anything right in his eyes is because if he focuses on YOU then he won't feel bad about what a complete and total horse's behind that he's become. Period. He's a grownup refusing to take responsibility for his actions. I'd like nothing more than to kick his behind. (sorry...sometimes people are so dense - him, not you - it's a wonder they don't have their own gravitational pull)

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Thank you.

Yes it is a lot of pressure on this little baby. Its horrible to feel like my fate is sealed with her. No matter what she will be an absolute treasure and I cant wait to meet her face to face and see her look up at me for the first time. Right now I try to focus on my darling children and my pregnancy. Most days it is very hard.

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>Its horrible to feel like my fate is sealed with her.

It's not sealed with her. It's sealed by God. Your fate may feel out of your hands, but it's never out of His.

Your rabbi will tell you this. Talk to him.

You're still in the how could he do this to me and the kids stage. I understand. All your babies need you to keep them safe from your wh's affair insanity and muddled thinking.

We'll do our best here to help you through this.

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TB, your husband IS in an affair and IS planning on divorcing you. Your in-laws are complicit either through active involvement or by NOT standing for Yahwey's LAW.

Either way, your emails show complicity, enablement, etc., by the in-laws and your husband making ACTIVE plans for a divorce, custody, etc.

You have NO time and NO excuse to NOT document everything. Make copies of the emails, do NOT let any evidence out of your control. Contact an attorney NOW to protect both yourself and your child. Set up a separate bank account if possible, and be ready to transfer ALL funds in the joint account the minute things "come to a head."

The train is rushing toward you and you need to be prepared to "derail" it before it splatters you.

Once that is dealt with, you can look at getting it back on the tracks if that is what you BOTH want to try.

I understand that money is tight, but do you have a trusted friend or two who you can safely and privately ask to follow your husband around and take photographic evidence and/or record or write out a log of his activities?

It seems "underhanded" sometimes, but it is clear from the emails that he is setting you up for a "big fall" and the courts are going to want PROOF, not opinion or speculation.

While you are doing all of that, begin working on "plan A" improvements in yourself. They will help either way, in reconciliation or in a possible future relationship.

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Thank you for your reply. I have been documenting, and I do have copies of all the emails. Unfortunately I do not have anyone that is able to follow my H around. And since OW works with him, a great deal of his time spent with her happens in his office. I have been working on Plan A for several weeks now, and has little to no effect on WH at all.
I keep trying.


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Has your mom been a witness to some of your conversations with him or seen his attitude?

I lost you for a while.

Have you been to a lawyer to find out where you stand should he follow through with his obvious plans? Protect yourself and your kids.


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yes my mom has been witness to his attitude towards me, and his lack of attention to the kids, and his late hours and early mornings. She was here the night I confronted him too.

I have talked with a lawyer. I am trying to protect us, but I am also trying to remain optimistic. Its hard to do both.


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You CAN do this, TB!

You fought depression and won...you CAN DO THIS!

How're you feeling otherwise? Baby kickin' good?


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Hey TB

Check out the thread about Dr. Phil looking for spouses that think their spouses are cheating. He'd likely like your story for the sensationalism of it. I say apply and he'll help you get the evidence you seek, not to mention the best EXPOSURE EVER.... all FREE.

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Check out the thread about Dr. Phil looking for spouses that think their spouses are cheating. He'd likely like your story for the sensationalism of it. I say apply and he'll help you get the evidence you seek, not to mention the best EXPOSURE EVER.... all FREE.

Mr. Wondering


I thought the same thing when I saw that...TB, what do you think?


Mrs. Wondering


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You two are too funny, yes I did see that, and I did think about it for about 30 seocnds. Then I thought to myself, hmmmmmm, how great, and then instantly thought, there is no way I could do that.

First I dont think I could handle bearing my soul on national television, and second, I would wonder what chances my marriage would have to ever recover after being broadcast like that. I dont know if it would be a good idea really. But it would be great just the same.


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