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Bumbing for Papao3, hope it helps.

I know it helped me.

Good luck.


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I think I can help you with this one t2r...I've been through the very thing you are asking yourself.

I can tell you about my experience and let you draw from that...I won't guarantee yours will be the same.

As was mentioned earlier...I had my affair for the same reasons Bill Clinton did...because I could. I had opportunity and allowed myself to fall into a pattern of thinking that gave me permission to do it.

I think a common mistake most BS's and even WS's on here make is thinking the WS is seeking to "replace" the BS completely. That is true only in a small number of cases. There were MANY things I loved about my wife and my family...but the few things that I had issues with...admiration, respect, and SF had become big issues for us. I ultimately convinced myself that my wife was incapable of meeting these needs and having an affair with someone who did would be better than to continue to expect her to. Selfish? Absolutely, but my desperate and depressed mind allowed me no other viable alternatives. I was not mentally stable.

So, you see, I never stopped loving my wife. WE could argue all day on these boards about whether you can love two women at once...I happen to believe you can. I agonized over this very things for months until my IC help me entertain the idea that maybe I really did love them both. That was incredibly liberating. It let me understand that what I felt...was ok and real...that now I could deal with it more effectively. I could let myself grieve the loss of the OW. This MUST happen for you to ever let her go and for you to begin the process of forgiving yourself.

Recovering yourself is a process of choosing WHO you want to be and ensuring that you ACT in accordance with that choice. For most of us, being a WS would not have been a quality we would have chosen for ourselves.

We lost our integrity. We lost our vision of the person we wanted to be, making it that much easier to act differently from that vision. We became "fractured" at our core, without purpose or direction.

For me, the first step in regaining my integrity was understanding that I still had value as a human being. I am somewhat religious, so for me, it came by understanding that God was willing to offer me forgiveness even when I couldn't. If God was willing to forgive me, who am I to disagree with Him? I did not think this flippantly, but it was a humbling realization...that Jesus Christ died...DIED...that I, an adulterer, could be forgiven.

Think about that for a minute.

Once you forgive yourself, you are able to start holding your head up, acknowledging what you did, and address the consequences with character and integrity. Accepting forgiveness form God and yourself means that you are no longer free to wallow in your shame...you should GO and sin no more.

You are now FREE to live your life responsibly. You're free to look back at the person you had allowed yourself to become with compassion. Your are free to apply the lesson you learned to your new life.

Some of the BS's are no doubt saying "What were you doing for your BS through all of this?"

Doing "all of this" is what your BS needs the most. It is the ONLY way that you will ever be able to assure them that it will never happen again.

Will you ever be able to convince your W that she wasn't 2nd choice? I don't know. Maybe...maybe not. All you can really do at this point is act with integrity...and treat her like the first choice that she is from now on to the best of your ability. She going to have to work through a lot things inside herself about this.

Lastly, accept that your marriage has changed irrevocably. This process is not about recoving what you had. You can NEVER get that back. It's all about building something new at this point. It may also be about your W ending your marriage. You have to accept that she has that right to choose and respect it.

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I think this was a terrific and helpful post. I don't believe there are limits on the human heart, but my husband didn't love MOW, he confessed to me after her glamor had worn off after only 16 weeks of mostly weekend contact. I do believe that in long-term affairs feelings of love can develop but if you really loved the other woman it would seem like you'd risk losing your family to be with her full time; so even if you did love her, (I'm not questioning that or even whether it's possible, I think it is) I just tend to think you didn't love her as much as your family or you would have actually made a real move toward a life with her.

Believe me i'm not trying to debate this, I hope you don't take it that way, I'm just feeling my way along this corridor for myself and my own true understanding.

I guess I see it as a Weekend Warrior type love for the other person, when the feelings of love are there.


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Ahuman, what a profound post, typical of you, I know, but still shockingly profound to me.

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The same question stated differently: When did you stop believing that honesty and love were synonymous?

...because the whole thing comes down to lying.

How many WS would do what they did if they KNEW their BS would find out the next day???? Even those WS in an active A where BS knows still hide and lie about their behavior.

....the lie allows the WS to do a false cost benefit analysis.

Cost--O pain, since BS wont know.
Benefit--I, I, I will get pleasure (in the form of admiration; conversation: SF whatever)

Lies also have a way of twisting ALL logic....like a hall of mirrors everything becomes distorted.

Answer for yourself:
How and Why did lying become an acceptable solution to your unhappiness/dissatisfaction?

And you will have the answer to your BS question (IMHO that is)<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


[color:"#39395A"]***Well, it's sort of hard to still wonder if you were consolation prize in the midst of being cherished.***
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I only read through half the posts on this topic so forgive me if I missed something but I needed to chime in before I forget.

----*****bride2be****-----


I agree with kiwij, you don't know what you're talking about. I have heard from many people who have said that once you get to a point in your life or faced with a dilema, you act, say or do something totally different than you have said in the past you would do if ever faced with that.

First of all, by your name BRIDE2BE, you are not married yet, correct me if I'm wrong. Once you've been married, you're love, feelings for each other will be very, very different from before marriage.

If you're not married yet, on your wedding day you will say a few words to your future husband "cherish, honor you, forsake ALL others". REMEMBER THOSE WORDS because they will mean nothing to your husband if you cheat on him.

Another thing, you said that a one night fling you would keep a secret from your husband forever meanwhile if your husband hits you that's a deal breaker???? HELLLOOOO!!! Sure a man hitting his wife is wrong but you're saying if you cheated on him and kept it a secret that's ok but if he hit you that's a deal breaker. I repeat, you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm only 26 but I know what I'm talking about because I HAVE BEEN THERE you have not. If you have never even been in a plane you don't tell a pilot how to fly it.


I think you need to resolve a few issues before you marry.


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to all WS...how could you cheat on someone you say you love?

I suspect that my FWW's answer to that question would be that she was not in love with me at the time, and her A had nothing to do with how she felt about me. From the details that she's told me about her A, apparently she acted like she was not even M'd to me; like I was just a "friend" who happened to live in the same house with her.

We're trying to make things better between us now, but I can't help but feel really concerned that I might not be doing the right thing for her as well as myself, asking her to stay in an M that she apparently was no longer interested in when she had her A.


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I have the same concern as you.
At the time of my W's A's, she could not have cared less if I had died of a heart attack right in front of her.

Now she tells me how lucky she is to have me and how much she loves me and all that good stuff but I'll always wonder if she really feels that way b/c she chose other men who she didn't even know over me and I was her husband and the father to her child. She showed me how easily I could be replaced. Makes me wonder sometimes what there's left worth fighting for.


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Now she tells me how lucky she is to have me and how much she loves me and all that good stuff

Lucky you - I don't even get that. Instead, I get indications from the things she says and does that she's not quite sure exactly what her feelings are like for me now, but she knows that they're not like how they were when we were first married.

If I was to get one "how lucky she is to have me", I think that would banish my depression for days on end. I live in hope that this might happen one day.


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Makes me wonder sometimes what there's left worth fighting for.

I feel the same at times.


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It took quite a while for her to say those things, it wasn't until MC and more frequent church attendance that her conscience started to catch up with her and finally when the fog lifted she could see what she had been putting me through and she realized that she had to start making up for a few things.

During the fog it was usually "you're so stupid", "I hate you", " I wish you were dead", "Can't you do anything right?"

Much of that I blame on her home life though because that's how she was conditioned when growing up, seldom nice words from each other and mostly things like I mentioned above.

Good thing some wounds heal quickly, I removed the darts before they caused too much damage but the scars will remain. (for a while)


In the pasture of life, don't be a cowpie. FWW 22 BS 26 (me) d-day May 30, 2004 March, 2005 January, 23,2006
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