Hey top rope,
I responded to all of your Q's/ Are you now ignoring me to prove some king of point?
I've noticced you've taken some of these points and pointed them out to other people on this forum, but have not addressed me specifically. Is that because you don't want to address these points , or have no defence aginst them?
After your cryptic posts to me me, you at least owe me an explanation of of your point of view.
All Blessings,
Jerry

Top rope....

Since this thread is dedicated to you <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.....I wanted to let you know, that your post on Lem's thread was well put.....I would have commented there, but it got locked out before I had a chance....

Now back to you and Jerry!

Daisy <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

So now you have a chance to say what you want to, right?
Just to keep the record straight for everyone here, It was my very urgent request to Justuss this PM that probabley was the the result of the previous thread being shut down. So if anyone is looking to blame someone, I suspect it was done at my extreme urging.
Wanna swing 2 x 4's go right ahead.
Dasey, you and I are never going to agree about my sitch.
Why don't you just leave it at that and stop trying to stir
the pot. What exactly is your motivation for this? does this go far deeper than it appears on the surface?
All blessings,
Jerry

Jerry:

Here is some unasked for advice to you.

Let this one go brother. The points have been made. Everyone's feelings are well known on the subject. I am actually a little afraid for you, because you are all over the place mentally/

Take a breather man. It is almost like you are swinging at bugs that aren't even there.


Lem

Thanks Lem
Your'r right! I can't seem to explain or justify myself anymore, I don't really know what's going on anymore.
I don't really seem to care either.
I booked off from work and told them I have pnemonia.
I think I may be coming unglued. What a shame after all this time of trying to hold it together.
Oh sh-- I know whatit is, I didn't reveal to OM'XW!
It's so clear to me now!!!!!!

Jerry

LMFAO...Jerry, come on bro. It was funny like 2 days ago, but even you have to admit...it is getting old. Who gives a flying [email]F@#$[/email] if people disagree with you. Man, 98% of the people on this board have disagreed with ME at one time or another. I have had more personal calling out threads entitled "LEMONMAN" than anyone in Marriage Builder messgage board history.

You got to get over this. Your still taking these sarcastic digs at really noone. Do you realize that?

LM

You know Lem, you're right as usualy,
I just chastised Tempest,The moderator, for referring to this forum as a playground. I think I'm really staritin to lose it big time.
My W refers to to my time here as an addiction; I'm beggining to thhink she is right.
I get to get outta here now before I lose myself altogether.
Jerry

LM - I think that would be around 99% disagreeing with you most of the time. But you are one of our favorite posters!

Jerry:

That's cool. A few days away will do you good. In a few days, you'll feel better.

Lem

feel free wd
No one is inhibiting yo here are they?
don't make innuendoes and then diapperear in the darkness.
say what you want to say. make your comments. I will tke no offence.
All blessings
Jerry

Jerry.....

I did not disappear...I do have a life you know <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />!

I have said all I wanted to say to YOU on my last thread <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. I found top rope's comment interesting, and I wanted to let him know that, that is all Jerry! I am perfectly happy to agree to disagree. We have made our view points clear, can we leave it at that <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />????

Take care.....
Daisy <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

shine on:

I have no problem having a discourse with almost anyone.

And frankly On this issue the case is not that hard to make.

However,
From what interaction I've had with you so far,
You don't appear to be one of those persons that will actually hold up your end of the bargain.

Unfortunately,
I had to call you out 3 times, just to get a response from you.
Indeed, 2 days and 8 PAGES later.
(After I answered you on my next post on the thread, by the way).

Now that wouldn't have been so bad Had you simply been away from the thread (hey it happens) ,
but Instead you WERE Continuing to Post to others on the thread .....while ignoring me.
{Not a good start, for sure}.

Frankly I'm not interested in having to Chase someone down.
Just not worth it too me.
So as you seemed so resistant,
I simply moved on and attempted to spare myself the unnecessary aggravation.

So this is NOT a tit for tat .......but If I'm going to put in my time and energy ......I need to know that Its not WASTED.

Continuing on:
If we are to discuss any issue I NEED MORE then 1 word answers.



OK, could you perhaps elaborate a bit?
Especially since I Did pose a follow up to your yes response??

After all,
since for the entire thread YOU went on and on about YOUR Position,
You can't then just (once again) IGNORE the Totally RELEVANT Tie In question that I asked you:


Totally inaccurate!

And yes it is annoying that you'd then call me out and intentionally misrepresent what happened, cause NO you didn't answer all my questions ......and in fact conveniently Left Out the most important one.

Where have you addressed the IMO Uneven Thinking that you'd WANT to know [about your own W], yet won't do for the other spouse what you'd LIKE done FOR YOU???
<still waiting>

Actually,
what you did do
was give comments to my responses to YOUR questions.
Which is fine ......as long as you ALSO address mine as I did yours.
(Kind of sneaky to keep the focus on your own questions, & hoping no one sees that your sidestepping mine). Which by the way I did ask you NOT to do.

Unfortunately,
if you take away the comments you made to MY ANSWERING your questions (which you at least gave SOME input) ........my questions were given as much consideration and thought as yours for the OMW.

But that isn't even the end of it ........no indeed.
Instead as soon as you give your very brief response ......its right back to you Asking Me MORE Questions.
WTF? Not even a spacing in between. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Excuse me,
your upset cause You incorrectly believe that somehow shinethrough deserves answers but others don't. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
Sorry buddy, doesn't work like that (at least not with me).

Then as far as my answering you:
You Only had 2 in your last post ---




OK, one down.

So the only part I did not address was:



So that was my bad, <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
but I figured that since you weren't Going to answer my more Real Life Questions .....what was the point in addressing that Hypothetical one, when it wasn't being reciprocated.
In my mind,
(as with you getting the thread shut down) you had taken your Ball and gone Home.
Hey totally your choice!

Seemed like you'd moved on ........I saw no point in having to hound you further.
After all I can't MAKE you do anything.

But then after all that you've pulled,
you want to call ME out?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

So lets get this straight,
You not only expect answers, but you EXPECT them like "now" .......yet feel no compulsion to do unto others as you'd want done for you.
(as not to be too cryptic for ya ........you desire answers from others yet have no obligation to give them theirs)
Interesting concept.

Well then,
that attitude is definitely a HUGE Sign as to why you would want to know about your W's infidelity .......but FEEL No need to share that with the OPS.
I can see where that mind set is very parallel.

At last The dots begin to be connected. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Wow, at first I thought you were just passionate about the issue,
but your behavior seems to indicate some other Issues going on.
Wishing you success with that! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Pale Flower:

Thanks for the support and kind thoughts!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I don't think enough of us let others KNOW when we do appriciate or even agree with them. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I know that I've been guilty of just nodding my head in aggrement with a poster ......yet then just clicking on the next. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

However, many of us WILL surely respond when we don't agree.
Funny how that works, Huh?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

By the way:
There is NO me and Jerry. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Who by the way might want to drop the "Blessings" tag,
once he comes after someone.
Just food for thought.

Top Rope,
I don't for the liffe of me understand how you and I got off on the wrong foot with this subject. And I don't want to start another about it that resulted in so much disrespect to on e another, that the thread had to be shut down.
Maybe, in retrospect, I should not have posted anything further, but that stupid me again. I've had to live with me all my life <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Your replies to me have been cryptic and acidic since day one, but I will not be disuaged into your line of thinking, just because you believe i should.
I have clearly stated the reasons for the course of my actions from the begginnig of this nightmare. I do not feel it was ever my obligation to approach OM'XW to fill in the missing pieces of her life. It was, and still remains, her XH's obligation to do that, if he so chooses.
My obligation was to do what DR H suggests, in providing the care and protection of [b]my family.[/ If you somehow find that selfish, so be it. I don't have a problem with it, believe me.
I have always seen your posts as very inciteful and will continue to do so in the future.
And in spite of the
I will continue to wish you all of God's Blessings,
Jerry

Wow,
No Small Surprise that your chosen "defense" is too once again simply NOT answer the question. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

You went and commented on the others .....why NOT the tie in one. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Hmmmmmmmmm???
Should I even bother asking it again .......nay, your right ....why bother?

However,
as I said on the Lem thread,
I was never under any illusion that you would EVER change your mind.
Never my intent. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

On the other hand,
through debate and question / answer it could perhaps sway those newbies (or even vets) still on the fence.

Indeed,
as I explained here (ONCE YOU CALLED ME OUT) ....
I had moved on from you .....as for "whatever" reason you didn't choose to participate any longer.
Again, your choice.

Does seem a bit mental of you,
to Start this thread Challenging me about some -- as you called it "defense" .....and then once again Bow Out, without EVER actully Participating
(for yet again some UNKNOWN reason).
WTH is that all about?
But at this point, does it even matter?? Probably not.

As far as cryptic,
I've been pretty straight IMO.

If you Don't get it, not sure what else I can do about that.
I thought I took you Step by step with quotes and explanations and everything.
Can anyone else help me with this????
Am I speaking in code or something??
If I am, then I'll have to work on that.

However,
the bottom line is this is your thread,
yet for what the 5th time now (??),
your Defense of your position is just to avoid answering all together.

Fine .......guess that means its not all that strong to You.
For me,
Your Blessed Silence is all the Answer I'll ever need. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

With that said:
Its great that your Way has worked for you.
Unfortunately,
I think your Way is not the path most folks should go.

But the great thing is,
just like you ....just like me ....they each Get to make that choice for themselves. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Dang Melody LN,
Now I know what YOU have to put up with .....don't envy Ya! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Later

TOP ROPE,
Just what is it that you somehow think I have to defend?
Do I somehow have to justify my thinking to you? That is the epitamy of arrogance!
I don't owe you an explanation of anything in my life. I have choosen a path to protect and care for my family and I don't really care if you accept that or not.
Moving on,

Ok, it's beginning to become clear to me now. Maybe a FOO issue is the underlying motivation for this aggressive behavior. Yep, I think it becoming clearer by the minute.
Still, I wish you all blessings,
Jerry

Dude,
do you even read the posts you type up here?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

YOU Started with ME about having to defend something!
Good Grief!
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Actually the Arrogance you so indignantly Rage about, comes from posters (such as yourself) that get the response they desire .....yet refuse to reciprocate ... as is just common decency.

As to melody,
I've just witnessed the Attacks, flash without substance ......many times on her as well.

Just commenting on the parallels, there Oh Blessed One. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

To everyone else following along:
Interesting how posts keep coming my way,
yet STILL no answers to one tineeee tiny question.

Nice try with the bait and switch there shine on.
Or is this just your way of muddying the waters with further PERSONAL Attacks.
Hmmmm, policy of last resort??
Either way,
please continue to prove the point.

bye-by

By the way,
YOU chose to seek me out.

On this thread as well as the previous one. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

In addition,
No one forced you to Post your beliefs and then CHALLENGE Anyone to debate you.

You did that all yourself.

Can't lay any of that in My Lap.

top rope <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />....

I give you 5 starts for effort <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />!

shine on ....I really don't get YOUR motivation for starting this thead.

True...you don't own anyone an explanation. You already made that clear on the other thread. Why then would you start another thread with

If you don't need to defend yourself, why do you start a thread accusing someone else of not defending themselves? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Daisy <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Hmmmmm.......

Not much disrespect intended there, right TR?
I've come to the conclusion that your don't deserve a rsponse , since the only one you will accept is one that completely falls in line with the way you think; no one else's thoughts have any relevance in your world, do they?
Well, you seem to have one very big fan in White Daisey, why don't you persue that effert from now on.
I tried to reach out to you, but I will do do no more.
In spite of all that,
I still wish you all of God's Blessings,
Jerry