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#1601911 03/01/06 02:20 PM
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On another thread you said -
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Dr. Harley is a Christian counselor so you can trust his counsel.

Certainly you don't mean that "non-Christian" counselors can't be trusted?

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Uh-oh. Christian... non-christian. Quick, somebody talk about the problems of porn. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Worthatry,

Oh....try to put me on the spot huh.. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well my answer to your question is this...

I am a Christian believer, and I know authentic is, that is why I told her that. I prefer a Christian counselor. I have heard Dr. Harley by radio and his great marriage building principles here. His and Joyces spirituality speaks volumes. They teach biblical principles, and that is very important to me.

I am very careful to what counsel I will recieve.

I don't want a debate on this, but there are a lot of ungodly counselors out there that I would prefer not
to take counsel from.

Thanks for asking.

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Quick, somebody talk about the problems of porn.

I can't...I know nothing about it, but Dr. Harley does! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Yes, I am putting you on the spot - because your statement was inappropriate.

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I am very careful to what counsel I will recieve.

I don't want a debate on this, but there are a lot of ungodly counselors out there that I would prefer not to take counsel from.

As is your prerogative. No sane person should take counsel from someone they don't think is qualified.

But it's bigotry to declare that only Christian counselors can be trusted. What about Jewish counselors? Any others? All untrustworthy? Of course not! - not solely by indication of their beliefs!

There is nothing to debate here. Please be more considerate of others.

Here's something you can take to the bank as 100% accurate - half of all counselors are below average.

WAT

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No WAT, half are below the median.

GC

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Take Care WAT...I'm not fighting. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

I told what kind of counsel I prefer.

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GC - statistically speaking, you are correct - if we were talking about quantitative measurements. I'll claim that using qualitative measures and everyday usage, "average" communicates the idea. A really, really outstanding counselor like Dr. Harley doesn't make up for 5 mediocre ones such that the curve is skewed and the mean > median.

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Umm... anybody else anxious for baseball season to begin? No? How about March Madness then?


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Umm... anybody else anxious for baseball season to begin? No? How about March Madness then?

Umm....No....I know nothing about baseball or March Madness.

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H4f - if your ploy is to change the subject - it's working.

I'm looking forward to MM as usual, even though my team won't be in it.

I'm not looking forward to BB - the professional level. I used to. The drug stuff has really turned me off of professional baseball. I love baseball. I played it as a kid. I coached my son's teams as he was growing up. It's a terrific game for youngsters, IMHO. But the pros have really messed it up with the soft stance on drug usage. Until they ban a player for the first drug offense, I won't be interested.

WAT

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WAT, I was only foolin'. If you could quantify it, I wonder how asymmetric it would be. In my limited experience of interviewing MCs, just one out of 13 seemed to have real potential for helping.

I keep an eye out for it because people like to lie in debates by using averages from asymmetric distributions.

GC

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GC - could be that the curve is skewed way to the left.

Are you knowledgable of the weather services available via XM or soon to be available via Sirius? I'll be in the market for something like that in a couple years.

WAT

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Okay...just one more thing I forgot to mention...

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the Lord.
Psalms 1:1-2

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My sheep hear My voice, they will not listen to a strangers voice.

Jesus Christ

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If I may?

Dr. Harley is a Christian counselor so you can trust his counsel to be Biblically based.

Italics added by me to better claify the statement IMVHO. I don't even know where this quote came from, but I am assuming to was directed to a Christian.

Christians tend to trust advice when supported by the Bible. Not always mind you; it depends on the thickness of the fog their in, or the length of their alien abduction.

I don't want to get into an argument either. But I just think you may have misinterpreted what Lady meant. Or, you really are looking for an argument. And if you are, then I personnally think it is unbecoming of you.

Lady, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about what you meant.

Blessing to you all.

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Torture numbers --- They'll confess to anything.

---From a math professor that I forgot the name of!


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GC,

In a similar vein to the campfire thread - people respond differently. Another interesting thing would be to see if the 1 out of 13 YOU liked would be MY pick.

Ladysheep,

I am disappointed. If your screen name and statements is indicitave of your faith, why are you not bearing the fruit?

Clearly your statement troubled WAT. Don't know if it actually hurt, or offended him, but sheesh, would an apology be too much to ask for?

If you were walking down the street, with an umbrella tucked under your arm, and WAT stated from behind that you poked him, even if you didn't feel it (because you were distracted, or in a hurry) I would imagine you would say "Excuse me" or "I'm sorry."

His point is valid.

It WAS inappropriate, wether you intended it or not. And even if it was inappropriate to ONLY HIM, he is not one to go running and screaming at the slightest offense.

And what do we find? People changing the subject, almost pooh-poohing his feelings.

I'm not one known for mincing words, so let me put into stark contrast here: how many of you BS had a WS with friends who knew about the A? These "friends" probably said what the BS doesn't know doesn't hurt them, or perhaps even changed the subject when the WS was feeling uncomfortable with the situation.

Hmmmmm.

And no, Ladysheep, you are not fighting. So what exactly are you doing?

One CAN put one's best foot forward. And it gets easier with practice.

NCWalker

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To me, "ungodly" refers to someone acting in a way contrary to the wishes of a divine authority. Not neutral with respect to those wishes, but in direct conflict with them. Your garden variety secular counselor is simply neutral.

Neutrality and opposition are worlds apart.

A secular counselor who is particularly concerned with ethics could hardly be pegged as "ungodly".

No WAT, I don't know about weather info on satellite radio. I'm surprised though if the NWS is involved. The alert channels in the ordinary broadcast spectrum already carry an impressive amount of information, and I'm told the U.S. is fairly blanketed, coverage-wise. You just need a weather radio.

GC


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