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#1608209 03/08/06 04:53 AM
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I was in a conversation earlier this evening which the topic of the marital history was being discussed. I had to leave because of my job and was really interested in asking some questions about it. Maybe some of you can answer them.

First off I was wondering if the history of a long marriage verses a short marriage makes nay difference in how the WS or even the BS decides to try and save the marriage?

If the marriage had been a good marriage for a long time and then say some life changing event caused say depression in the BS or WS and they withdraw from the other does the history of the good part of the marriage play any role in deciding to work on the marriage?

How is it harder for a WS to walk away from the short history of time with the OP than from a long standing history with the BS?

I don't want to upset anyone in asking these questions, I am just curious how the long term marital history plays a role in reconciliation or divorce. Example my WH says our history and memories will always be special but he has to put those to the side and move ahead. I just wonder how they can be less important than a fling with someone he barely knows.

So any insight into how the history of growing from young adulthood to grandparents together can be so easily forgotten or put aside. I don't know if I am saying all of this right but maybe some of you will understand what I am trying to say.

Thanks in advance for any responses I recieve.


Hurting


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Hi Hurting,

I know exactly what you are trying to say but sadly don't have any answers.

I know our long history together was one of the factors that gave my wife pause during her affair, but it wasn't the reason she came back.

Aliens in an affair don't seem to have any logic in what they do.

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I was in a conversation earlier this evening which the topic of the marital history was being discussed. I had to leave because of my job and was really interested in asking some questions about it. Maybe some of you can answer them.

First off I was wondering if the history of a long marriage verses a short marriage makes nay difference in how the WS or even the BS decides to try and save the marriage?

Orchid: These questions have been asked before. In previous cases, most of the BS asking these questions have some sort of internal mission. Trying to put logic or determine their sitch to a predetermined outcome. No can do. This A stuff is random and while the more the history, the harder to leave, that in itself is NOT a hard and fast rule.

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If the marriage had been a good marriage for a long time and then say some life changing event caused say depression in the BS or WS and they withdraw from the other does the history of the good part of the marriage play any role in deciding to work on the marriage?

Orchid: History helps. There is no history with the WS and OP. Most of the A participants try to make history on the backs of making the M look bad. Ever hear of a WS who says to the OP: 'I have such a good M, I decided to have an A.' <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Now as foggy as the WS are, that actually is a possiblity but haven't heard of it yet. LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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How is it harder for a WS to walk away from the short history of time with the OP than from a long standing history with the BS?

Orchid: Probably. But you'd be surprised how much effort the WS and OP put into that short period of time. It is action packed and when the BS looks back.....you just wonder....how did I survive?!?! Then we get mad. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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I don't want to upset anyone in asking these questions, I am just curious how the long term marital history plays a role in reconciliation or divorce. Example my WH says our history and memories will always be special but he has to put those to the side and move ahead. I just wonder how they can be less important than a fling with someone he barely knows.

Orchid: He is babbling.....it is the WS taling out of his [censored]..... don't pay heed. Just what you wrote doesn't make sense.....

WS: our history and memories will always be special.....that's why I can move on. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> :rollingeye: <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />


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So any insight into how the history of growing from young adulthood to grandparents together can be so easily forgotten or put aside. I don't know if I am saying all of this right but maybe some of you will understand what I am trying to say.

Thanks in advance for any responses I recieve.


Hurting

Orchid: It is easy or appears easy for the WS to put everything of value aside because the WS was NOT a part of the history in the making......the WS is truly an alien since he/she didn't have a life before the A.

Does it make more sense now? The WS was NOT in existance B4 the A.

The BS and family have no history with the WS.

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Wow, Orchid, that was an excellent reply, IMHO.

The summary answer to the history question: A good and long marital history matters a lot for the course of the affair - unless it doesn't.

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Ever hear of a WS who says to the OP: 'I have such a good M, I decided to have an A.' Now as foggy as the WS are, that actually is a possiblity but haven't heard of it yet.
I seem to recall a case in which an example of the foglatin was, "I have such a good M, I decided to have an A to make sure my marriage was as good as I thought it was. Turns out, it wasn't!! OM makes me feel soooooooo good. And there are no dishes to do."

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hurtinginokla,

I think shared history in a long-termed marriage does make a great difference compairing to short marriages.
If I wouldn't of had a 25 year relationship to look back at, I wouldn't of had anything to "hold on to" when I discovered my husbands affair.

We had so shared memories and so many positive things to look back at and this gave me "hope & strength".

In an affair the affairees seem to "wipe away" these memories. As Orchid wrote: No one in an affair says that they had a great marriage and therefore they decided to have an affair.

The "Chemicals of Love" are on the go when either affairees and lovers are in the beginning stage.
It's a matter of time when this stage moves on into the "Reality" stage.

From reading the statistics of affairs, I'm aware that affairs hardly ever have a happy end.

I can imagine why............reality moves in and all of a sudden the affairees see each other with all the mistakes and personal flaws. The fantasy crumbles.

This is where I'd say that the WS begins to "miss" his long-termed marriage. This is where the shared history that they had with their BS's will pop into their minds.

When they look back to their affair partner, there isn't this kind of "shared history". They might of had good times but it was "NEVER" based on the "Innocence of a marriage".

If WS decide to leave a long-termed marriage and even if he gives the impression that the shared history is forgotten, it isn't! It will always creep into their minds.

A "fling" is what you are saying, it's a "fling". A "fling" will give you a "pyscological high" but it won't last forever.

Just wanted to share the following: My father had an affair and he left my mother for OW. They are still together after 31 years. My father used to be the most loving man I could think of. He was full of energy and I admired him. He (at that time) believed that he had to divorce and that OW was the fullfillment of his dreams.

It's so strange because OW admired my father that he had travelled so much and seen the world. She admired him that he was a great hunter and she loved his classy way of dressing and how good looking he was. She looked up to him because he always had very exclusive cars. He always got admiration from OW when he talked about his hunting trips. He loved to talk about these things and he felt prowd about himself! But these experiences all happened during my fathers marriage with my mother. My mother always participated and she was very enthusiastic about these things.
So, wasn't/isn't my father actually dwelling in the memories of his old, long-termed marriage with alot of shared memories (with my mother and NOT OW???

He is now the unhappiest man I can think of. He broke off all contact with everyone in his family, including me. He has become a psyco! He is a broken soul. He got what he thought was right but he lost himself and everything he had once believed in.
From what I have heard, he lives for himself in a house thatOW lives in. OW cannot stand him anymore but they are financially tied together.

The happiest time in my fathers life was the time when we were a family. He used to go hunting and we went camping etc. These were the things he loved. He loved to travel, he loved animals and he loved classy cars and he was known to be the best dressed man around.
He had this................

His history with OW is: No classy cars,(OW now hates cars and she's has a car phobie) NO hunting, NO animals (OW has a dog/cat phobie) NO travelling, NO camping and he NO longer takes care of himself.

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Example my WH says our history and memories will always be special but he has to put those to the side and move ahead.


Well, if this is what your WS is saying........think. If he thought that his choice to have an affair was correct (which it isn't) then why should it be true that he has to "put those aside and move on"?
It might sound logical.................but I don't think it's realistic.

Before my husband ever had an affair, I said: I would divorce immediately if I ever found out that he betrayed me even if I love him from the bottom of my heart. I was positive that I wouldn't be able to cope with an affair and that our marriage would be OVER!! (this is what I believed but it was NOT reality)

Hope I'm not off-track with what I wrote and I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

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Thanks for the replies BK, Orchid and Wat.

I guess I am looking for logic and reason as you stated Orchid, I just don't know.

I think one of the reasons I ask it because I see so many long term marriages on here that seem to struggle more than the short term ones for reconciliation. The WS seem to be more determined or entitled in what they do.

It kinda reminds me of someone who says I'll trade the old in for something new. The old is broken down and used up.

I know i am making no sense again, just so much crap running through my head again.

Again ty for the replies.

Hurting


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BB,

Thank you for telling that story.

Thats what I see happening with my WH, he is unhappy and pretty much cut of ties with anyone from our lives including his family.


I do believe that if WH never comes back or gets right with himself he will be like your dad. Thats is so sad that they are willing to live in misery that fix what they have done. But its their choice.

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Before my husband ever had an affair, I said: I would divorce immediately if I ever found out that he betrayed me even if I love him from the bottom of my heart. I was positive that I wouldn't be able to cope with an affair and that our marriage would be OVER!! (this is what I believed but it was NOT reality)

My exact words and thoughts as well.


I appreciate your sharing with me..... I think it helps me see why the OW gets so angry whenever my name is mentioned or anything from WH'S past is mentioned because it lets her know he is thinking of our lives and his history with me. Something she will never have or can ever give him.


Hurting


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I think one of the reasons I ask it because I see so many long term marriages on here that seem to struggle more than the short term ones for reconciliation. The WS seem to be more determined or entitled in what they do.

If you look at the reasons why Women leave Men on this site it explains some of that I think.

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Something to consider, hurtinginokla -

If WH were to come back, you would most likely also reach a state, at around six months, where you wondered what the he11 you were thinking wanting recovery. You will enter that BS recovery phase where you can only remember bad in the M.

Happens to most BS at some point during recovery. Those negative M thoughts can echo for years.

It's called negative self-talk and most BS do it wrt the M at some point too. Most self-respecting BS raise the bar during recovery. And when WS doesn't measure up a lot of history is suddenly regurgitated, if only internally.

I read a thread by a recovering BH on one of the other boards just yesterday who is going through an extremely negative cycle in his M at two years out from D-Day. Now he can't remember anything good, ever, and he's thinking of calling it quits.

With prayers,


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Again I thank all of you for your replies.

So it seems that the history of a marriage good or bad does not make much difference to an active WS at the time of the affair. As I think back on all of the months and all that WH has said to justify this horrible thing he has remembered every bad thing I may or may not have done no matter how small. Nothing that was ever happy for us has ever been brought up its like it has all disappeared and only bad remains.

So with this said its only logical that the alien WS has to forget any good things to be able to continue their walk down this path.

Again thanks for thr replies....

Hurting


BS (Me)- 47 WH - 46
Married- 24 yrs
3 children 15,19,22
2 grandsons
D-Day- June17, 2005 while I was 1400 miles away
WH living with OW since July 05
WH filed divorce papers Dec. 22, 05
Divorced granted June 28, 06

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