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#1631320 04/07/06 10:48 AM
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This is my first post--please be patient with me. I don't know the abreviations yet. Can you tell me where to find the definitions?

In October 2005, my WH asked me for a divorce to my utter shock. I thought we were happy, yes we had problems, but nothing huge. A week later, I found email evidence of an A, which he said was emotional only. This woman is at his work. I was horrified. I told him that he would have to end it. He said he would, but he didn't. In December I found more emails from her declaring her love for him. Our relationship had gotten better--during these months. I told him I wanted to work on myself and the marriage and that I loved him and could forgive him if he would do the same. He maintained that he didn't want to work on the marriage and still wanted a divorce, but has not taken any action--no attorney--no filing.

He said that the OW meant nothing to him, that they were just friends. Meanwhile, he's floundering at work, was demoted and may lose his job. He acted like a wounded bear, still is and is very lost.

In early Jan., he moved out and we were in Plan B. Little to no contact, but what we had was pleasant and civil. He was very upset at having to move out, acted angry at me, and pretty lost. He loudly declared to many friends that it was over between us and he wanted a divorce. I met with him to let him know that if he really wanted a divorce, I didn't want to make it hard on him, that I would cooperate. He broke down and cried and said he wasn't ready for that.

About a month ago, we saw one another for about an hour and he was very pleasant. He told a friend that it was like we were dating again, but that he's also enjoying his freedom. Since then, he's been callig frequently, but only for day to day issues. No mention of reconciliation or working on the relationship.

I know now that I violated the rules of Plan B--no contact--which I will have to reinstate. I'm new to MB so I didn't know the chain of events that normally take place. I don't have to tell you all of the pain I've been through. You've been there too. I guess I'm wondering if my WH is just waiting for me to take the initiative and file--I think that would bring him relief...he wouldn't be the one who had the responsibiity. Am I just an idiot for holding on to hope? Somtimes I feel like I am. I'm not worried that he'll marry the OW--I am concerned that he'll end the marriage (or I will) and wake up one day to regret it.

My question: How long should I continue to wait for him to make up his mind? No one has a crystal ball, but is there a guideline? I don't know whether he's still seeing OW or not. He hasn't involved her in his family--his parents would never accept her. (I love them, they love me--yes they know about her). He still comes to church and many of our friends have gently corrected him about his behavior. He knows his behavior is wrong, but won't admit it.

Any advice you can give me on how to make it through this awful time is so appreciated. Spring is coming and the cold of winter is beginning to thaw, and so is my heart.

God bless all of you and may He give you the desires of your heart.

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Welcome to MB. The best answers are here, but you have to work for them.

What were the circumstances of him moving out? Did you make him or did he decide to go on his own?

You are not in Plan B.

Please order a copy of Surviving an Affair and read up here on Plan A and Plan B.
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He still comes to church and many of our friends have gently corrected him about his behavior.
Why haven't they been firm?

Does OW still work with him? What kind of business is this? Was he demoted because of the affair or other reasons?

How old are each of you, how long married, and do you have children together?

(edited to remove sarcastic comment about churches.)

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Sorry I didn't get enough details. We have been married 9 years, together for 11. Second marriage for both of us. Neither one of us were unfaithful in our previous marriages. I asked him to choose between me and OW or leave. He left, but because of the marriage, not her, he said. They are not living together. I have never met her and know nothing about her. He was demoted for other reasons, not the A. To the best of my knowledge, they don't know about this A. He works in sales for a software company.

I thought you had to be living together to be in Plan A. I have ordered Surving an Affair and haven't received it yet. This is wilderness territory for me.

Our church has been very tough on him, but also have maintained contact with him for correction purposes. No socializing with him, and most everyone is extremely angry with him. They are very cupportive of me, and some are gently pushing me to file, but I don't have peace about that yet. I guess I'm still in shock over this. We're in our 40's--he has a teenage son from another marriage. I have no children.

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Today - invite him home.

Unless you don't want to salvage your marriage.

Read up on Plan A.

Below is my canned rendition of it. Start this minute identifying the problems YOU brought to the marriage - right after you invite him home.
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The way I understand Plan A, it's based on two premises that must be accepted for “garden variety” affairs:

1. The BS (betrayed spouse) cannot end the affair.

2. The affair developed, to some extent great or small, due to a poor marital environment which the BS, also to some extent great or small, contributed to.

If a BS cannot accept these two statements as givens, they will not be able to implement Plan A.

With these facts established, there is only one constructive thing a BS can do to influence the course of an affair: change the affair-friendly marital environment by eliminating the BS contributions to it.

To this end, the BS must perform an introspective search for all the things they were doing or not doing that contributed to the WS's (wayward spouse) decision to have an affair - and then eliminate those negative contributions. These may include failure to meet emotional needs or disbursing too many love busters - but is usually some combination of both.

This DOES NOT mean that the BS "caused" the affair. This DOES NOT mean that the BS can or should try to change failings of the WS.

It simply means that the BS needs to change and improve the only thing they have control over - themselves - to eliminate love busters and begin meeting as many emotional needs of the WS as they can.

Central in this is stopping all disrespectful judgements, angry outbursts, and selfish demands. This is agonizingly difficult in the face of an affair. A BS has to counter the common knee jerk reactions of demanding the WS "straighten up" and delivering ultimatums and threats. Acting in this fashion simply reinforces the WS's rationalizations to conduct the affair in the first place - because the marriage "is over" or expendable and the spouse is unreasonable, therefore the affair is justifiable.

Invariably, this course leads BSs to feel like doormats and [censored] kissers. It also conjures up thoughts of enabling the affair by not resisting it. But the better logic to apply is that the BS isn't a doormat or enabling because they're doing the only things in their power to stop the affair - it's just counterintuitive to the initial reactions. This doesn't mean that boundaries shouldn't be set and protective measures shouldn't be taken.

Let me add that Plan A is all about the BS. You do not "Plan A" your WS. It is not intended to change ANYTHING but the BS.

Remember, despite outward appearances, the WS is very likely torn between the excitement of the OP vs leaving the BS and family. They invariably wonder, “Can I have both?” When they realize the answer is no, they next wonder how long can I stall before choosing? It’s during this “stall” that demonstrating Plan A improvements is vital. Why make it easy for the WS to choose the OP by providing a less than competitive choice?

I'll end this by offering that there is one additional thing a BS can do to alter the course of the affair - but I call it "destructive" rather than "constructive" (to separate it from the one and only constructive thing, discussed above). It's to expose the affair to the light of day. But this deserves its own discussion.

OK, one more thing. The affair is very, very likely to end DESPITE what the BS does or does not do. Until it ends, there is NO chance for reconciliation. Ideally, Plan A improvements can encourage the WS to end the affair sooner because the spouse's "causes" of it are eliminated. But regardless, following Plan A prepares the BS for a successful reconciliation whenever and for whatever reason the affair ends by jump starting the process - their share of pre-existing marital problems are already confronted.

Do you know if the affair is still ongoing?

Do all the important people in his life know about the affair? Do they also know you want to salvage your marriage (assuming you do)?

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Wow. Invite him home? I doubt he'd come home. He's having too much fun out there. YEs, there's a part of him that is miserable, but I really think he'd see that as an opportunity to have his cake and eat it too. I have invited him to dinner early on, and he declined.

I don't know if the affair is still going on, but I do know that she gave him gifts for Valentine's Day.

My marriage counselor said it was right to ask him to leave because he wasn't willing to work on the marriage and unwilling to give up the affair. I have been going to a counselor since DEcember and have done some real soul searching.

He has two lives--his life at work which I am not privvy to--and he says that they don't know about the A. And our life with family friends and church. They all know I want him home and our marriage to work.

I am afraid that he'll never come home, that his pride will not let him. If I ask him back, won't that be giving him permission to continue this affair under my nose?

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Surviving an Affair will answer a lot of your questions better.
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My marriage counselor said it was right to ask him to leave because he wasn't willing to work on the marriage and unwilling to give up the affair.

Well, it's a moot point now, but this may not have been the right advice. It depends on how long it was between discovery of the affair and asking him to leave.

In the classic MB approach, you keep him home as long as you can stand to directly compete with the other woman. Despite outward appearances, he was very likely torn between the excitement of the OW vs leaving you. He probably wondered, "Can I have both?" When WSs realize the answer is no, they next wonder, "how long can I stall before choosing?" It’s during this "stall" that demonstrating Plan A improvements is vital. Why make it easy for the WS to choose the OP by providing a less than competitive choice? You kill him with love.

Ultimately, if via exposure and the direct competition the affair persists, you cut him free to get all his needs met by the OW. This is Plan B.

So, asking him back may feel like you're allowing him to have it both ways, but how else do you compete?

In that the affair is still ongoing and he's been out for awhile, perhaps you should offer him to come back on the condition that he gives up OW. Assuming he won't (based on your prediction) then go to Plan B the formal way, as described in SAA.

What legal arrangements to you have for the separation? Who's paying the household bills, etc.?

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It was about 2 months between discovery and asking him to leave. Lots of lies, coverups, and heartache. Things got better during that time--even he admitted it, but not enough for him to stay. It was extremely hard on me--she had a window into our marriage, but I knew nothing of her--except that she is going through divorce. My WH was tight lipped about her and still is, although I haven't asked.

I will consider asking him to come home in the next month or so--or at least take his temp on whether he's willing to work on the marriage. I'll admit I'm cowardly as any attempt in the past has been stonewalled by him. At least now we seem to be getting along a lot better. I still don't know why this happened, and I'm confused and hurt. But not so hurt that I wouldn't try to save the marriage.


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