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#1639946 04/20/06 11:14 AM
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JL,

I have just been reading your posts to Adrift. Let me say that you are a very, very wise man. Thank God for you on MB.

God Bless.

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Ditto!!!!

He's one of the really, really good guys!

(PS: It has something to do with his age, I think. He's like 86 years old, ya know! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />)



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Point of Order: I believe he's 106, not 86 <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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106,

Darned I knew my mind was going. I was 6 years old when the SF earthquake happened and I don't remember a darned thing about it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> I mean it is just a blank, how bad is that. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

By the way, thank you for the compliment. I learned a lot around here, and NB was one of the people I learned a lot from. I'd tell you how old she really is...if I could just remember. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

God Bless,

JL

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Here, Here!

JL, I'm starting to GET it now...it took me a long time, but I understand what you mean now. When I was new here I thought I understood Plan A. When you talk about being still and making yourself better for you and not for WW as you did in Herb's thread...it all makes sense.

It's too bad it takes the BS a while to get to that point.
Keep up the great work.

HTW


Married 10 years, Legally Seperated Aug 2,2006
1 year of Plan A followed by 1 year of Plan B...
...now stepping towards recovery?????
BH 37(me), WW 35, DB 7 & DD 5
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HopeThisWorks #1639951 04/20/06 01:45 PM
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HTW,

Oh yes, it takes quite awhile to sense the ebb and flow that recovery or even just survival takes on. Oddly, what I find most interesting after posting all of these years is that it takes awhile for people to learn to listen (read) what is being conveyed to them. It is really just the filters we all use in live. And being betrayed or being the betrayer all of a sudden throws in a new set of filters (often referred to as pain <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> ) that make information transfer hard.

But, gradually the information gets through, the filters change, and things are seen in a new light. People often ask "how do I know when to come out of plan B?". Well, that is really clearly stated in the letter one should send. That letter is a roadmap for both the BS and the WS. But, the more succinct answer is you will KNOW. The data will be obvious, hence being still is a good thing. Everyone needs to collect the data about themselves and their spouse.

There once a disc jockey here, who had been in the area for probably 40 years. He was close to retirement and was doing more of a talk show than playing music. One day he came on and made the observation after a particulary brutal murder, and the suspect being apprehended.

The TV people were interviewing the neighbors and they were all expressing great shock and suprise that this very quiet man could have done such a thing.

The disc jockey pointed out that his phenomena seemed fairly common but really was no surprise. His exact comment was "of course they are quiet, they could not hear the voices otherwise." I just laughed and laughed partly because it seemed funny and partly because he was very likely right.

Being quiet does allow you to hear the voices, but in most people those voices are our inner self telling us what we NEED to hear but have ignored during the stress of the situation.

It has been my observation in my life that when really big decisions needed to be made, when it came down to making them, there really wasn't a decision at all. Oh, I could chose to go in a variety of ways, but the data was very clear which option should be taken.

I like this site because in reality that is what Harley is talking about. He believed and believes that many marriages can be saved if people took the time to settle down and collect the data, consider the data, and make a plan to act on it. NOT all marriage are saved, but people will make the "right" decision more often than not if they can get past the strong emotions and pain of the very beginning of many of these things.

Thinks for the support and I do hope that your situation does resolve itself.

God Bless,

JL

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I'd tell you how old she really is...if I could just remember. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

How many times do I have to tell you, JL?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

I'm 36. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Thirty Six. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> 36. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

(Now how did I get that 24 year old daughter? That's just sick! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />)



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NB,

Yea, your 63 just like you said. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Oh! maybe it is my dyslexia working again. I could be 93 couldn't it? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

All I have to say to you NB is <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

God Bless,

JL


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