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here is the link to the articleBeyond Betrayal: Life After Infidelity

I can't decide which of the two describes my H...

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ROMANTIC INFIDELITY




[color:"red"] Surely the craziest and most destructive form of infidelity is the temporary insanity of falling in love. [/color]







[color:"red"] You do this, not when you meet somebody wonderful (wonderful people don't screw around with married people) [/color] but when you are going through a crisis in your own life, can't continuing living your life, and aren't quite ready for suicide yet. An affair with someone grossly inappropriate--someone decades younger or older, someone dependent or dominating, someone with problems even bigger than your own--is so crazily stimulating that it's like a drug that can lift you out of your depression and enable you to feel things again. Of course, between moments of ecstasy, you are more depressed, increasingly alone and alienated in your fife, and increasingly hooked on the affair partner. Ideal romance partners are damsels or "dumsels" in distress, people without a life but with a lot of problems, people with bad reality testing and little concern with understanding reality better.





[color:"red"]Romantic affairs lead to a great many divorces, suicides, homicides, heart attacks, and strokes, but not to very many successful remarriages. No matter how many sacrifices you make to keep the love alive, no matter how many sacrifices your family and children make for this crazy relationship, it will gradually burn itself out when there is nothing more to sacrifice to it. Then you must face not only the wreckage of several lives, but the original depression from which the affair was an insane flight into escape. [/color]






People are most likely to get into these romantic affairs at the turning points of life: when their parents die or their children grow up; when they suffer health crises or are under pressure to give up an addiction; when they achieve an unexpected level of job success or job failure; or when their first child is born--any situation in which they must face a lot of reality and grow up.





[color:"red"] The better the marriage, the saner and more sensible the spouse, the more alienated the romantic is likely to feel. Romantic affairs happen in good marriages even more often than in bad ones. [/color]






Both genders seem equally capable of falling into the temporary insanity of romantic affairs, though women are more likely to reframe anything they do as having been done for love. Women in love are far more aware of what they are doing and what the dangers might be. Men in love can be extraordinarily incautious and willing to give up everything. Men in love lose their heads--at least for a while.




or is it?????

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EMOTIONALLY RETARDED MEN IN LOVE





About the only people more dangerous than philandering men going through life with an open fly and romantic damsels going through life in perennial distress, are emotionally retarded men in love.






When such men go through a difficult transition in life, they hunker down and ignore all emotions. Their brain chemistry gets depressed, but they don't know how to feel it as depression. Their loved ones try to keep from bothering them, try to keep things calm and serene and isolate them further.






An emotionally retarded man may go for a time without feeling pleasure, pain, or anything else, until a strange woman jerks him back into awareness of something intense enough for him to feel it--perhaps sexual fireworks, or the boyish heroics of rescuing her, or perhaps just fascination with her constantly changing moods and never-ending emotional crises.







[color:"red"]With her, he can pull out of his depression briefly, but he sinks back even deeper into it when he is not with her. He is getting addicted to her, but he doesn't know that. He only feels the absence of joy and love and life with his serenely cautious wife and kids, and the awareness of life with this new woman. It doesn't work for him to leave home to be with her, as she too would grow stale and irritating if she were around full time. [/color]






What he needs is not a crazier woman to sacrifice his life for, but treatment for his depression. However, since the best home remedies for depression are sex, exercise, joy, and triumph, the dangerous damsel may be providing one or more of them in a big enough dose to make him feel a lot better.






[color:"red"] He may feel pretty good until he gets the bill, and sees how much of his life and the lives of his loved ones this treatment is costing. Marriages that start this way, stepping over the bodies of loved ones as the giddy couple walks down the aisle, are not likely to last long. [/color]

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Great article. It provides lots of food for thought.

I particularly liked the following quote [ - Sometimes they don't even know they are being unfaithful. (I tell them: "If you don't know whether what you are doing is an infidelity or not, ask your spouse.") - ] because for me that is the definition. If I think that it is infidelity then it is infidelity, regardless of what my H may think.

This second quote also caught my eye as it seems to fit my H situation. He was suffering from depression and she and her spouse have even more personal problems that she is dealing with. Maybe it started as helping her because it took him out of his own problems. What a pity he did not come in my direction? [- someone with problems even bigger than your own--is so crazily stimulating that it's like a drug that can lift you out of your depression and enable you to feel things again. Of course, between moments of ecstasy, you are more depressed, increasingly alone and alienated in your fife, and increasingly hooked on the affair partner. - ]


Thanks again for a great reference.

Georgina

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i really got alot out of it too Georgina

and since i can't sleep tonight....i looked up the book the author of the article said he wrote....

I'm reading a review of it now....

so far i found this information which reminds me of something that Jennifer Harley said to me about my H and OW.....

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While Pittman believes the state of being "in-love" is "a sacred form of insanity," his greater concern is for those true romantics who fall in-love with love itself. Complications arise in an intimate relationship when a romantic affair intrudes because [color:"red"] "Falling in-love has little to do with loving, and more to do with romance, which is a form of exotic and narcissistic suffering in which the specialness of a loving relationship gets distorted into an obsession with suffering and sacrifices to keep things intense enough to make the world and reality fade away." [/color]

Jenifer said that each affair partner tries to show thier "love" by sacrificing more and more until there is nothing left to give up....and when that happens....the affair begins to die and each person selfishly begins to resent what they have sacrificed and belive that they have given up more than the other person

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OMG The first kind is SOOOOO my WH - and then quote you just put is him even more.

OMG OMG - IT is scary it is so exact!


Me 34,WH 37, Children 7,4,21mths D'Day 30/3 but awareness of 'depression' 19/3 Moved in with ROOT on 26/3 Plan B 9th May 06 WH nervous breakdown & suicide attempt 14th May 06 Chocolate Root Melted 26th May Recovering now with baby steps.....
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Hmmm....I like this author! Who is it?


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Louise,

This is Frank Pittman, author of "Private Lies". Great book.

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Aha...found it on half.com

I'll definitely be ordering this book! Thanks for info.


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i like that this author also states that few happy marraiges come from affairs...

i have to believe that God would not allow my H happiness to be at the cost of mine....if that makes sense

and OW at the cost of her H and children

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Oh my! Case 1 is exactly my FWW!

I am perfectly sane, reasonable, and make my family the center of my life- she went for a guy who did 5 years in the state pen for battery.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head.


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