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Can I get some opinions on this article: http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5033b_qa.htmlIn it Dr. Harley recommends not pushing for the details of an affair in the case where the wife gives up on the marriage and has an affair as a way to get out. I believe I am in this situation (see thread: Recovery but not sure...) Do you agree with what Dr. Harely says? Should I just forget it and move on? Please advise... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
BH (me): 35
FWW: 34
Married 13 years
3 children, S9,S7,D4
3 DDays: EA June 05, EA May 06, PA Nov 06,
NC 14 months, recovering
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Are you referring to the first article?
The only quote I could find is: "Don't expect her to apologize and don't ask her to explain the gory details."
Is this what you are talking about when you mean pushing for the details?
BS 38 FWW 35 D Day 10/03 Recovery started 11/06 3 boys 12, 8 and a new baby
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Yes and no. Notice how Dr. Harley recommends not pushing for the details of the affair. IMO, that merely means you sit back Plan A and wait for the details to come to you. You do not "forget it and move on". You can not bury the issue of infidelity lest you leave your marriage vulnerable to the next OM that shows his weary little head. Instead you attempt to restore love and trust back into your relationship and as time moves on you will begin to have the affair details revealled to you as your WW feels comfortable doing so. I like this "Do's and Don'ts" list that I had folded up in my wallet last spring. It is a copy of a prior post of mine discussing the rollercoaster of early recovery. You will make small bursts of progress, then experience a bottleneck and then another burst. Have patience but do not drop the issue until you and she have sorted out all the why's and eventually in a year or two completely affair proofed your marriage the MB way. Mr. Wondering Waywards usually do this. They take a step towards you and you respond appreciatively...you acquire HOPE and push for more, more, more. You hunger for HOPE and they fear it. WS's don't feel worthy of it and are holding on to so much of the rationalizations and justifications that they can't see straight...YET. They fear hurting you further, hurting their family further. They fear you are placing much more significance on each step forward than you should cause they legitimately and quite necessarily DON'T FEEL IT...YET. So they slap you down and retreat. Hence, the step backwards. . When you detach from the rollercoaster and allow her to proceed at her desired speed you can hopefully minimize the steps back. When you beleive yourself to be the obvious choice, acquire patience and the confidence that she would be a fool not to recomitt to you, then you become the confident, unpressing, man that swept her off her feet so many years ago. She can more easily recommit to the man she saw back then than she can to the devastated man she sees before her. . Let it go, OM's out of the picture...this is just you and her now (I think). Try to date her. Movie dates suck cause you can't talk but those are the kind of dates you want now. Loud, fun restaurants, clubs or bars. Activity based dates where you are not just sitting face to face having to force a conversation. Conversations need to arrive naturally not conjured up in a staged way. But if she won't date you go out yourself and try to have or feign having fun. She'll eventually reconsider and follow along. . Mr. Wondering . P.S.- I kept the following list in my wallet and reviewed it many a night last spring to keep me on track. . ......DO'S...... . 1. Act Happy 2. Get a life (new activities, etc.) 3. repeat over and over...I will make it 4. Actively LISTEN....keep conversations at "to the point...small talk" ...don't blow it up beyond her comfort zone 5. Tend to Agree (Thank you for your truthfulness, It seems that way) 6. Expand your social relationships 7. Get sexy (gym, new clothes, etc) 8. Focus on your strengths and Positives...don't put yourself down verbally or constantly go over what you did wrong 9. Accept Uncertainty (Do your best today and let God take care of tommorrow) . ....DON'Ts..... . 1. Repeatedly say "I love you" 2. Ask questions that don't have answers yet 3. Criticize, complain, whine or nag 4. Say, "I've changed"....let her judge your actions 5. Argue, Reason or Plead 6. Don't get family or friends involved in recovery 7. Act helpless or depressed 8. Discuss morality, invoke God or Dr. Laura type babble 9. Suggest marital counseling (must be her idea) 10. Tell her continually "we need to work on the relationship" 11. GIVE UP
FBH(me)-51 FWW-49 (MrsWondering) DD19 DS 22 Dday-2005-Recovered
"agree to disagree" = Used when one wants to reject the objective reality of the situation and hopefully replace it with their own.
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Yes. This is something I'm going to ask SH tomorrow but I seem to see conflicting messages from some of the articles. Some say when an affair ends "the entire story must be told". Others say things like this "don't ask for the details; just take her back". Another common theme is to deal with the affair completely and then never speak of it again. I definitely agree with this one but how do you get to that point if you feel you're being lied to?
I don't know if I can just ignore some of the questions I have; I feel similar to how you did. However, this article seems to say exactly the opposite. The husband does not believe his wife; she obviously is not open about what was happening; and Dr. Harley essentially says "don't ask"...
Or am I reading it wrong?
I have some 'evidence' (circumstantial) that does not *prove* anything but is very very very suspicious and I've never asked my wife about it. Maybe I made a mistake in not just putting it all out on the table back when the affiar was discovered but she reacted so strongly any time I even came close to the subject that I just suppressed my doubts and got on with Plan A.
BH (me): 35
FWW: 34
Married 13 years
3 children, S9,S7,D4
3 DDays: EA June 05, EA May 06, PA Nov 06,
NC 14 months, recovering
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Wondering, thanks! I'm going to print that and carry it with me too. I also made myself a list of Do's and Don'ts as I thought of them. I'll re-read them and yours and try to refocus.
One thing struck me too: I do think she has come to the conclusion that I am the obvious choice and that is giving me a lot more confidence.
BH (me): 35
FWW: 34
Married 13 years
3 children, S9,S7,D4
3 DDays: EA June 05, EA May 06, PA Nov 06,
NC 14 months, recovering
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