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So, we've got everything worked out so it won't be a contested D. Today, out of the blue, I hear, " So you don't think X and X deserve anything?"

I would tell him "Sure they do, you might want to think about taking their BIOLOGICAL Mother to court to get back CS and then YOU can give it to them".

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Now there's a thought!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I just wonder if they've hit him up for money. I now have mine going to a separate account so he doesn't have as much to play with anymore.

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Here is one mistake ....

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I suppose some could look at it as my being greedy.


.... who cares what "some" think?

I sure don't ! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Care about what is right and what is reasonable and what is legally allowed ... and leave "others" to their own opinions.

Enough of this mental waffling .... STOP already ....

ask "WHAT IS RIGHT?"

do not ask "What will others think?"

OK?

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CS,

Surprise, surprise! I actually agree with you on this, except that I don't think her WH fears financial ruin...I just think he wants everything she has.

IMO, THIS WH is an abuser, and I would take everything that is mine and do whatever is legally necessary to get him out of my life.

He appears to be a cruel and hateful person, and his abuse is quite deliberate, IMHO.

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I agree with Pep.

Wanting what is right is not being greedy.

He agreed to be your DD's father, and that means in every way.

I do have some concerns, though. I think, that if I were in your situation and could afford to support my daughter on my own, I would forget about child support...and probably ask him to terminate his parental rights.

Why? Because I think that he would be cruel enough to insist on visitation/custody rights and use them to emotionally abuse your daughter as a means of getting back at you.

How does your daughter feel about him? Does she love him? How has he treated her while you were living together? How does he treat her now?

Protect your daughter. Protect yourself. You are not being selfish for wanting what is rightfully yours.

His kids are not your kids. It doesn't seem as if they have been close to you at all; and from what you describe of their behavior, they appear to be younger versions of your H. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> They are not entitled to ANYTHING from you.

Actually, I would start taking back what is mine right now, even if it's just one thing at a time. Change your cellphone number, or just get a new cellphone and leave the old one turned off. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You can stop him from bothering you if you really put your mind to it.

Go to church. So what if he does call and say, "Well, I'm going with OW to visit her parents."? He's gonna do that and a lot more with her anyway. The next time he tries manipulating you like that, just nonchalantly say, "So? Who cares? I certainly don't!", and then go ahead with your plans.

YOU can break this cycle of abuse, so do it...bit by bit, if necessary. Your H is a bully, and the only way to combat a bully is by standing up to them. Never let him see you sweat.
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Pepperband, LC,
Thanks. You know, when you're going through something it sometimes helps to hear opinions from those who aren't emotionally attached and are looking objectively at the situation. Of course, you only have my side to go on.

Yeah, he is a bully. A big bully.

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How does your daughter feel about him? Does she love him? How has he treated her while you were living together? How does he treat her now?

Actually, in my state at 14 she has the right to say no to visitation. I think he might would try to see her just to tick me off but if she says no that's all there is to it. And, in the settlement it is written that visitation is at her request only.

She can't stand him. He waffles back and forth w/her as he does me. Today he misses her and cries talking about her and tomorrow he's calling her a princess and saying things about how she gets what she wants, etc.

She asked me the other day if we were getting a D. I said that it looked that way. She said when. I said I was working on it. She said I need to hurry up. She said she didn't want to see him, didn't want to go back to the house, etc. She wants nothing to do w/him. He has said and done some of his nasty stuff in front of her and he scares her.

At this point, I could make it on my own. But, and maybe it's just being vindictive or greedy or call it what you want but:
1) I didn't beg him to adopt her; his idea.
2) I was willing to do w/o CS when I thought we weren't going to make it b/c we just had too many problems.
3) He has manipulated me by threatening suicide every time I get close w/D.
4) I found out what he had been doing with all the OW and it has made me sick to think of him acting that way while I'm thinking "poor baby" and about how I could take a lot less in the settlement in order to make sure he was okay.

He has been manipulating me for years and I'm beginning to see that now. I have carried the financial weight of the family for several years now yet am going to get less than 1/2 of everything. I don't think I'm asking for too much. He's angry about ring, CS, college fund. But, how much do I have to give to make him happy?

He basically says that:
if I keep the ring I'll be sorry.
if I get CS I'll be sorry.

He threatens to expose my past to everyone which really means to the guy at church that he thinks I've had a PA with. Not true and I think him saying it makes him feel better about all the junk he's done. I know that he has already told at least one person b/c they told me and it was word for word; no other way they could have known. Jerk.

Now, he hangs over my head the fact that he found a tape reocrder I put at our house; I'm the one who moved out. But, I was told some stuff and wanted to know the truth. Found out way more than I wanted to. He says he called the cops and started a file but I don't know if he did or not. He is always saying stuff that I don't know is true or not.

So, he can't just say "okay, we can't make it work". He has to be nasty and threaten and manipulate and curse and.....

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You know, L2S, it's too bad you couldn't tape the conversations with him. So that IF you had to, you could prove how he is with you, when nobody is around. Although, I know that this may not be legal.

How far along are you in the process of the divorce? Is it moving, yet?

I would say, if at all possible, CUT contact with him. He has nothing of value or good intent to say to you, and you only feel worse after speaking with him. He knows how to push your buttons, so don't make yourself available to him in ANY way. He's pshyco! NOTHING he says is rational or can be taken at face value.

Your focus should go ONLY to yourself and your daughter. That's IT! Let him figure out his own junk. He's EARNED that right! You are not responsible to him, his kids, is OW(s), his finances, his living conditions, NOTHING! You owe everything to YOURSELF and your DAUGHTER. And even your daughter knows this. She's very smart. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

So please be strong and hang in there. Don't second guess your decision, because this will only set you back. Move forward and start planning for your NEW future, without all of this stuff! This can actually be exciting! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

(((L2S)))

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Actually I do have some conversations w/him on tape. It is legal for me to tape my own conversations and the other person doesn't have to know for it to be legal.

Also, I have lots of voicemails that he has left over the years on tape; nasty ones and nice ones.

I want to cut contact but keep getting sucked back in. He curses me out then tells me he loves me. I'm really sick of it. As much as I miss the THOUGHT of companionship I don't miss him. It's been a rotten rocky relationship from the start w/a few good months at a time thrown in.

I have a final draft settlement agreement that needs some minor changes to be final. I'm hoping to handle that w/him later this week.

It's just that he gets so blasted nasty whenever we discuss D that I avoid it. I hope to be done soon. I've gotten all my finances in order and that's a relief. We still have credit card together but he won't charge anything on it. Just got it paid off. House in his name. I don't owe anybody anything. But, I have no home. Could continue to stay w/family member but wrong school district.

Anyway, just pray for me for strength. I get so close I can taste it and then he acts nasty so I back down.

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Saying prayers for you, L2S, for STRENGTH! You're getting closer everyday! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> (((L2S)))

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