As for wines, the best bottle I can remember having was some Montana Marlborough Cabernet Sauvignon from New Zealand. I had it in NZ. Several years ago, I contacted the winery to find out if it is marketed in the US and found that it is a label only marketed to restaurants so I can't buy it here. To this day, I don't know if the wine was that good or if it was the evening that made it so good.

I would love to keep a stash of affordable wine in the house so I could have a glass in the evenings, if I wish, after my children are in bed. Because I would be the only one drinking it and it might oxidize before I could get it all consumed, I would like to find something palatable in a box or tube which, I know, is a totally unappealing idea.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Okay I'm confused. I thought you DIDN'T like Nascar and this was the friction between you and WH...

No...wait...I see it now. You like Nascar and he likes dirt track stock car. No wonder you and WH can't see eye-to-eye. Maybe you two could POJA Formula 1? Or nothing like the pure power of a good tractor pull (and it IS dirty). Is it just that he is a purest and doesn't tolerate the modified engines?

Yes. Nitrogen. Pressure up the bottle with nitrogen. That will keep your wine from rusting.

Well, technically he likes ALL types of car racing. WH introduced me to everything and NASCAR stuck with me. Everything else sucks, IMO. He just goes to the local dirt tracks ALL THE TIME, which is where the friction comes into play. But, as he puts it, he likes "everything with 4 wheels and a number." NASCAR watching/going is no problem for us because we both enjoy it. Dirt track going is a problem for us because I don't enjoy it and he's obsessed with it.

BTW, I don't mind the dirt. I mind the stretched out cautions and quantity of said cautions only because of the stretched out time it takes from actual racing.

Explain this to me in simpleton terms. I do have a vacu-vin thing but that doesn't do anything about nitrogen.

That's why I thought the vacuum packed container might be a good choice. Even though I know I can't get really good wine in one. I just am hoping for drinkable wine.

Hey y'all! Just wanted to stop in before bed for a quick hello.

LAROUSSE!!! Yipee!! I'm happy to see you. I need to go back & see where you've talked of someone sending you a nasty email too.

Does anyone wonder if it's scardycat?

Good gawd! Enough with the talk of electricity. Does it get much more boring than that? Watch it or I'll start on glazes again. BTW Pio you didn't answer my question about manganese affecting glazes.

Pio, the blanket explaination could have been MUCH shorter. Something like we keep it cold here & need the extra warmth at night.

A month without s.x & you people complain! Get a hold of yourselves. Oh...right...you haven't had to.

Sat. we're in for a stormy day so I'll get all caught up. Maybe even get some clay from the studio & hand build while I watch movies with the boys. Time for bed. "nite all! Too tired to read for errors so sorry if it's a mess. Sweet dreams.

Cinders, my friend for life LOL Yes, you tell them about NZ wines. Hate to tell you this but Montana Sauv Blanc is very middle of the range here. It's what we used to drink gallons of at Friday night drinks at my old job.

Nams, I didn't like to say how boring all the talk of electricity was. I'm glad you said it for me. I wondered if it was safe yet to come back to TKO. I mean, how boooooorrrrriiiinggg can things get around here.

Also hate to tell you but 24 hours without SF is a long time in my house. (Sorry <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />)

You are such a Ho Jen.

EXCUSE ME!!!

LOL

Love you too BigK. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Which I guess makes me a HeHo

hahaha

I don't know what vacu-vin is but the name is telling. I am guessing the intent is to remove as much of the oxygen as possible to prevent the alcohol from oxydizing to form acetic acid (vinegar). While a good plan in theory, if you take into account the vapor pressure of alcohol, every time you open/close/apply vacuum to the bottle, you will remove progressively more of the alcohol from the wine. Not the best choice. The better option is to use nitrogen to purge the bottle of the air and replace it with nitrogen under slight pressure. This would keep the chemistry of the wine intact for much much longer. Vacuum is a much cheaper alternative because it requires nothing more than a vacuum pump, a few fittings and electricity. Nitrogen would require a source (i.e. bottle of compressed notrogen) and a few fittings and maybe even a vacuum pump for the purge.

The vacuum pump is not an absolute requirement. Technically if you simply purged the bottle with nitrogen for an infinite amount of time, the oxygen content would asymptotically approach zero. But that would get really boring (infinity, that is). I don't know if a nitrogen system exists but if my little brain can conceive it, surely someone else has made millions with the idea.

Box wine is the best because it remain hermetically sealed so will last a really long time. You can also put things on top of the box so is a space saver. There are some good box wines available. Anybody who says they are too good to drink wine from a box is simply an obnoxious snob.

A himbo

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Oh give it up Pio.

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And since nitrogen gas is a diatomic molecule, maybe an even better choice would be a truly inert gas such as argon or xenon. The inert gases have completely satisfied valence states so tend not to have affairs with other atoms or molecules. They are loners though. Truly sad.

I thought boxed wine originated in the pit of he11 myself. My bad.

Me too, BigK

Shall we just let him talk away to himself. He seems to be enjoying it.

I think argon is readily available commercially so I can see the economics of it. Nitrogen is still the cheapest choice. Nitrogen molecules tend to be prejudiced in that they keep among themselves but they are known to be "partiers" and are very much into "swapping" given sufficient proximity with another diatomic pair. I personally find nitrogen disgusting in its amoralistic behavior and would like to see all of it removed from the planet. Do we really need nitrogen anyway? I mean, there are other cryogenic sources. Come on!

Clarification: GASEOUS nitrogen. Nitrogen in amino acid supplement pill form from GNC is still acceptable.

Well I can't really get motivated to join in the discussion about HeHos and Himbos.